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Itís not as fast, but this train could hit the rails sooner
Las Vegas Sun ^ | Wednesday, April 14, 2010 | Richard N. Velotta

Posted on 04/14/2010 7:52:00 AM PDT by Willie Green

As two companies compete to be the first to provide high-speed rail service between Las Vegas and Southern California in the not too distant future, a third is saying it will have a train click-clacking along next year. Las Vegas Railway Express will provide conventional passenger rail service to and from Los Angeles on existing tracks, its executives say.

They’ve been studying the prospect since early 2009 and are now in the strategic planning stage for an inaugural run by mid-2011, more than three years ahead of when the planned DesertXpress high-speed rail system would make its first trip between Victorville, Calif., and Las Vegas.

Michael Barron, chairman and CEO of the company, which is calling its project the “X Train,” envisions having a party atmosphere on wheels when the train takes passengers from Los Angeles’ Union Station to an as-yet-undetermined station location in Las Vegas in about 5 1/2 hours.

“It’s here now, existing technology that won’t take billions of dollars or even hundreds of millions of dollars to develop,” Barron says. “We’re acquiring standard train sets and bi-level commuter passenger cars, and then we’re getting some special cars that we’ll trick up to become a gaming car or a sports and entertainment car.”

While the rival DesertXpress operators have emphasized that they want their customers to begin the Las Vegas experience when they climb aboard their 150 mph train by offering luggage check-in straight to the hotel, the developers of the X Train say the Las Vegas party will start as the train rolls out of the station, with a sports bar lounge in one of the cars and rooms and show tickets available for purchase onboard.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Music/Entertainment; Travel
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; desertxpress; moneypit; publictransportation; stimulus; trains; transportation

1 posted on 04/14/2010 7:52:00 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

5 1/2 hours. ?

We make it in less than 4 by car no thanks


2 posted on 04/14/2010 7:55:37 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Willie Green

3 posted on 04/14/2010 8:01:30 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: al baby
We make it in less than 4 by car no thanks

Even a relatively "short" 3-hour trip by car on a congested interstate can be a miserable trip that leaves you feeling all worn-out when you finally arrive at your destination.

Even if it takes a couple hours longer, I'd much rather relax and have a good time on the train. Let somebody else worry about the highway traffic. It makes for a much more pleasurable visit to Vegas!

4 posted on 04/14/2010 8:12:55 AM PDT by Willie Green
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I’m surprised that CA hasn’t legalized gambling. Let their people stay home to spend their money. Then collect taxes on it.


5 posted on 04/14/2010 8:14:59 AM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Willie Green

I’d rather get there at the time of my choosing, able to make any side trips I want, and have my car with me at my destination.


6 posted on 04/14/2010 8:16:34 AM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: Willie Green

They should get a license from California to permit gaming as soon as the train leaves the station. If the LOLs can start dropping coins into the slots as soon as the wheels start rolling, they’ll fight each other to get aboard.

They could probably make more money on the slots than they do on the tickets!


7 posted on 04/14/2010 8:24:01 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: discostu

I live better than 15 miles from the nearest train station and that’s a hell of a walk.


8 posted on 04/14/2010 8:25:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Willie Green

This is great!
We don’t need high speed rail ... not yet anyway.
We need a nice network of regular speed rail FIRST.
This is a good start.


9 posted on 04/14/2010 8:31:17 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Willie Green
Willie, cam you tell us what the “gamblers special” was, and why it no longer runs? Hmmmm?
10 posted on 04/14/2010 8:37:59 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Willie Green
We’re acquiring standard train sets and bi-level commuter passenger cars, and then we’re getting some special cars that we’ll trick up to become a gaming car or a sports and entertainment car.”

You won't be able to start gambling until you enter Nevada.

I wonder what California will make of a gambling den rolling into their state every day.

11 posted on 04/14/2010 8:39:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Haiku Guy

On the old red eye bus trips my grandmother used to make to Vegas they started playing cards the minute the bus left. Probably wasn’t legal, but when you lock 50 gamblers together for a prolonged period good luck stopping them from gambling.


12 posted on 04/14/2010 8:40:11 AM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: Lorianne
We need a nice network of regular speed rail FIRST. This is a good start.

Because there is a pressing need for people from LA to get into Las Vegas?

Our President, your's, mine, and Chrissy Matthews', has said that we can't just go off to Vegas to throw money away.

13 posted on 04/14/2010 8:42:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: a fool in paradise
“You won't be able to start gambling until you enter Nevada.”

Not necessarily. Some gambling, like poker, is legal in California, but controlled by local ordinances. There are casinos all around LA. There could feasibly be gambling on the trains, but probably not slots, which are limited to Indian casinos here I believe.

14 posted on 04/14/2010 8:46:21 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: discostu

Maybe they could install video slots that just keep score, and are then paid off once the train is in Nevada.


15 posted on 04/14/2010 8:47:51 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Some gambling, like poker, is legal in California

Does that include the "house" having a stake? Or just "poker night" at someone's home and "charity poker" (both of which are also legal but somewhat open to review in Texas).

16 posted on 04/14/2010 8:51:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Haiku Guy
Maybe they could install video slots that just keep score, and are then paid off once the train is in Nevada.

Attorney Generals will come down on you even if you are gambling on a website landed in some other country.

17 posted on 04/14/2010 8:52:33 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Haiku Guy

Or they pay off in stuff, like drink tickets or free tickets to shows. That’s how charities get away with having “casino nights”, as long as nobody is winning money it’s not gambling.


18 posted on 04/14/2010 8:53:03 AM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: a fool in paradise

“Because there is a pressing need for people from LA to get into Las Vegas?”

No. The Casino Express is pure political backroom dealing (Reid) and whole-country taxpayer funded ... which is wrong, wrong, wrong.

However, if it is successful it will be a good example for other cities to follow, except for the taxpayer funding.

The tracks and rights of way should be State funded (like our State highways) and private companies can bid on running the trains. Interstate State long-range tracks and rights should be Fed funded (like our Interstate highways).


19 posted on 04/14/2010 8:53:33 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: a fool in paradise
I wonder what California will make of a gambling den rolling into their state every day.

Not a thing. Cruise ships with onboard gambling visit the port of Los Angeles every day.

What this train will do is kill the daily bus service from L.A. to Vegas.

You know the old joke? "I arrived in Las Vegas in a $20,000 Cadillac, and left in a $250,000 Greyhound Bus."

20 posted on 04/14/2010 8:53:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: a fool in paradise
Because there is a pressing need for people from LA to get into Las Vegas?

What's to complain about here?

If investors want to try and exploit what they see as a profitable market, then I'm all in favor. If this were a government-subsidised excursion train -- I wouldn't be.

I'd love to see rail travel improve in the US. I just want it to be done with private money. I hope they do well. It's a concept (party train) that might work in other places.

21 posted on 04/14/2010 9:04:58 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: a fool in paradise
In California casinos, traditionally the law allowed games of “skill," but not “chance”, so 21 was outlawed while poker was okay. By whatever process that's changed, and forms of blackjack are now played, as well as Pai Gow and other card games. Craps is still illegal. The house “rents” the table to the players, who play among themselves. Indian casinos have slots. There is also horse racing here too. So just about anything but slots, craps and maybe sports book would be fair game. I could see the State passing a special law to allow a train to have all types of gambling though, just to get the tax revenue.
22 posted on 04/14/2010 9:07:56 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Yo-Yo
I don't know about that. The bus would take about the same time to get there and be much cheaper, I would think. I would assume that train service would have to appeal to those currently flying to be a success.
23 posted on 04/14/2010 9:10:34 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Willie Green
Even a relatively "short" 3-hour trip by car on a congested interstate can be a miserable trip that leaves you feeling all worn-out when you finally arrive at your destination.

I had the pleasure several years ago of trying to get back to the coast by traveling the interstate between vegas and LA on a Sunday. It was worse than your standard rush hour traffic! Stop and go from Vegas to Barstow (where I got off to head towards Bakersfield). If there is that much traffic between the two locations - a train would be my way of travel -less stress and ready for action.

24 posted on 04/14/2010 9:14:59 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; All
I don't know about that. The bus would take about the same time to get there and be much cheaper, I would think. I would assume that train service would have to appeal to those currently flying to be a success.


...and, as happened on a friend's bachelor night trip to Vegas, the bus can stop in Barstow for an extra keg of beer when the first one runs out...:^)

25 posted on 04/14/2010 9:28:01 AM PDT by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: al baby

Yeah but you would be stuned by the time you get there


26 posted on 04/14/2010 9:38:11 AM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Willie, cam you tell us what the “gamblers special” was, and why it no longer runs? Hmmmm?

Google tells me that “Gamblers Special” was a cheap, DC-3 charter flight carrying passengers from Burbank to casinos in Hawthorne NV and back. It crashed and burned on February 18, 1969 with no survivors.

I never heard of it before, but it sounds like another good reason to stay on the ground and take the train instead. Train travel is much safer than airline travel, that's for sure...

Thanks for the info!

27 posted on 04/14/2010 9:40:51 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
To bad you don't know much about Southern California and its history. That wasn't the gambler's special I was talking about, but obviously you don't know much about trains, either.
28 posted on 04/14/2010 9:46:40 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
To bad you don't know much about Southern California and its history.

There's not much to know...
A bunch of burned-out surfers and migrant stoop laborers looking for free handouts from Hollyweird...
Definitely not my kind of place.

That wasn't the gambler's special I was talking about, but obviously you don't know much about trains, either.
Hey... don't blame ME for your obscure references...
If you have a different "gamblers special" in mind, then be more specific.
"Gamblers Special" isn't a copyrighted trademark, you know. It's in the public domain and has thousands of uses. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to guess which one you have in mind.
29 posted on 04/14/2010 10:05:55 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
To those who know about trains, it's not obscure. “Gamblers Specials” were trains running LA to Vegas years ago. They didn't make money. PERIOD.
30 posted on 04/14/2010 10:16:30 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BfloGuy

Reid’s Gambling Train
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/02/12/reids-gambling-train

True, but Reid is planning his own Casino Train at taxpayer expense. Fortunately, he’ll be out of office and the USA will be out of money before that can happen.


31 posted on 04/14/2010 12:11:16 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: a fool in paradise

This is a good start—How about using Steam Engines? We can get some ceap from China or restore what we have. The Monorail conects to the Vegas Downtown so the whole strip would be open—put in some discounts and this could help bring business to Las Vegas. Then, lets do the same from San Francisco to Reno.


32 posted on 04/14/2010 12:27:24 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Willie Green; All

I prefer to “drive” than take a train..


33 posted on 04/14/2010 4:30:00 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
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To: al baby

Yea but you’re not drnking and gambling as you drive, right?


34 posted on 04/14/2010 4:36:03 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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