Skip to comments.Dad who saved daughter by stabbing mastiff said mauling was 'like a horror film'
Posted on 04/17/2010 10:38:08 AM PDT by JoeProBono
The dad who stabbed his dog to death after it savaged his two-year-old daughter said yesterday it was like a scene from a horror film.
Gereth Sim, 31, is haunted by the moment the French bullmastiff, named Trigger, sank its teeth into little Taylor's face.
He said: "I had turned away for two seconds and heard a growl. The next thing the dog had Taylor on the floor and was biting her face.
"I punched him until he let her go, then stabbed him with a kitchen knife. Taylor's face was covered in blood. It was like a horror film.
"Every time I close my eyes, I can still see it."
Taylor, of Eltham, South East London, was still critically ill in hospital last night after emergency surgery.
She needed skin grafts after horrific injuries to her jaw, nose and mouth.
Her mum Charlene, 23, said: "The operation was a success. We're just praying she will pull through."
Are these breeds known to be vicious? That poor little girl!
Wot - not a pitbull?
English Mastiffs aren’t. They sleep 23 1/2 hours/day.
Seems the French are more high-strung.
Don’t get too excited..it’s not Chet’s thread.
A big Mastiff comes after you and you better be prepared to fight...they are damn big.
not usually hyper like some dogs but their size in potent
probably the closest link to the old Molassers of ancient times
I thought a Bull Mastiff was a Bull Mastiff and the French version was the Dogue du Bordeaux like in the Tom Hanks film from the late 80s/early90s
any Mastiff folks here
“French Mastiff is also known as the Dogue de Bordeaux. theyre miscellaneous dogs and can be used for anything (ie. working, herding, companion, guarding, sporting, non-sporting, etc. etc). either gender can be up to 27 inches at the withers and can weigh up to 100 lbs. although the Dogue de Bordeaux has a forbidding look, the dogs desire for attention and affection is intense! its somewhat leery of strangers and may be aggressive toward strange dogs, but it gets along well with children and makes a loving family pet with a calm, tranquil disposition. the Dogue de Bordeauxs origin is not known, but its likely that the Mastiff and Bulldog each played a part in its development. the breed was once used as a fighting dog, challenging bulls, bears and other dogs. the Dogue is powerful and massive, but surprisingly athletic and quick. a large, expressive head characterizes this breed, and as with most dogs that were once bred for fighting, the Dogue de Bordeaux has a powerful jaw. this breed is built low to the ground, but is well balanced.”
“They sleep 23 1/2 hours/day.”
Wait...that’s a cat!
It's the natural byproduct of eating snails and infrequent bathing.
What is the difference between a bull mastiff, an english mastiff and a french mastiff.?
March 30th, 2010 |
Remember that there will be some variation in the description of a Mastiff, but all are similar in size and shape. There is no mistaking Mastiffs as a large breed dog that weighs between 120-200 pounds. Although the hair color and length will change depending on the type of Mastiff, almost all are shorthaired and are available in colors ranging from brown, red, brindle to black. The muzzle will almost always be short, wide and black in color, framed with short, floppy ears and a long, thin tail.
There are many different varieties of the Mastiff. Many were originally different breeds of dog that were at one point crossed to create different versions of the Mastiff. These varieties include the English, Bull, Neapolitan, French and Tibetan, with the most popular varieties being Bull and English. The Bull is especially predominant throughout North America.
The largest of the breed is the English version, sometimes weighing over 200 pounds. The only major difference between the Bull and English Mastiff is that the English will look considerably stockier and may be upwards of 30 inches tall, while the Bull is usually no taller than 27 inches. There is debate over which of the two is the original Mastiff, but most breeders will consider the English Mastiff the original breed. Another major difference between the English and Bull is that the Bull Mastiff has an extremely powerful head that is wide and a more sleek and muscular body.
Neapolitan Mastiff dogs are wrinklier, with the entire body full of wrinkles, including the muzzle, the neck, chest, and through the legs and underbelly. Keep in mind that while this type of Mastiff might look significantly smaller than the Bull or English, the weight is simply distributed different, as the Neapolitan is significantly shorter than the Bull or English.
The French Mastiff, also known as the Dogue de Bordeaux or the Bordeaux Bulldog by the French, will only weigh around 140 pounds and will be significantly shorter and stockier. The French looks significantly different because of a much wider head that may resemble a mixture of a Mastiff and a Rottweiler, at least in width. As well, the French muzzle may be a solid red, as most French Mastiffs are a solid red color, making the French red from head to toe.
You may not immediately recognize the Tibetan Mastiff as fitting with the breed, because it looks very different from the others. Instead of a short coat, it has a medium to long double coat of fur that is available in a variety of different colors, but not usually singular in color. This breed also has a longer muzzle that is more rounded and narrow than the other Mastiffs”
i’m not trying to be picking on you but your first comment are these “breeds known to be vicious?”
most vicious breeds I know of are Chihuahuas and Mini-Pins
Mastiffs are usually lazy slobberers...like St Bernards or Newfies with less hair and a bit more guard instinct
what is considered vicious today centers around two things...size obviously but some big dogs are pretty harmless baring the most extreme provocation and what the dog was bred for which if it includes ratting does appear to at least make them more dog aggressive
two man human killers are Rotts and Pits in the order...and then it goes down the line....reason those two head up the list is simple... their numbers are great and they are BIG enough to kill people....the aforementioned Chihuahuas and Mini-Pins are not big enough...thankfully
after Rotts and Pits come I think Shepherds, Mastiffs and all their cousins and then mixed breed dogs and mongrels all the way down to a Yorkie who killed a newborn
the biggest factor is sheer numbers...when I was a kid it was Shepherd (RinTinTin) then Dobies and the Rotts who have held that dubious title since (I have owned two)...and of which is culture and Hollywood drive and in the case of Pits...bad culture...frequently the Drooges of our society...urban black thugs, latino gangs and redneck pot growing dog-cock fighters...(I know the latter personally...I loathe them and they know it)
In deference to Chet and his posse whom I disagree with on their fixation with Pits....the Pits and their various bulldog cousins (I own one)...Americans, Alpahahas, Ole English Bulldogge, big Staffies etc are more dog aggressive...no question of that..an uncut male of those breeds should not be unsupervised around lapdogs
and no dog of any breed unsupervised around infants or toddlers
our cats slept with our infants but I would not allow that with our American bulldog now or my Rotts or Dobies in the past...they are still wild animals possibly...you just never know...why take the chance btw....socialize, socialize, socialize.....our big bulldog is always with us... he really needs no fence when we are in the back pasture...he just stays underfoot...they are like that a hound would run off
First they outlawed guns
then they outlawed knives
then they outlawed certain dog breeds
All they have left for self defense is to secretly mix in dangerous dog bloodlines into other breeds that arent’ illegal. French mastif,staffordshire, etc.
Since the “dangerous” breeds are not outlawed in ireland, there’s an unending supply of fighting/attack dogs to mix in with other more docile breeds. And now that this secretive mixing has begun, it is going to be impossible to identify a probable dangerous dog by appearance alone.
Muggers in england use dogs as their intimidation weapons in place of knives nowdays. And the populace has responded by buying “tough” dogs of their own to counter the muggers...since no handheld weapons of any kind are allowed in the hands of private citizens. Period. NO exceptions.
All this dog problem in england could be eliminated almost overnight if they would simply allow concealed carry permits to their upstanding citizens. people would lose this silly obsession with protection dogs almost immediately. They wouldn’t even have to abolish their ban on handguns. Just start issuing carry permits for tazers. Private ownership of tazers isn’t even allowed in england.
Think about what these idiots across the pond have accomplished. Their idiotic laws have created this problem. What do you consider more dangerous? A knife, or a psychotic dog that can rip your arm off? And now that the black market has started mixing their attack dogs into the docile breeds to circumvent the law, you never know when a beagle or a schnauzer is going to rip your kids face off.
this is a 6 part series:
NO! I am a bullmastiff owner and they are known to be very gentle and docile. They are prized for their protectivness of their owner and their owner’s property. I have read many accounts of bullies putting themselves between owner and threat. Just like any breed, there can be vicious dogs. My uncle had a Great Pyramese put down a year ago for biting a neighbor kid. He never showed any agression before that.
Our Sampson was as sweet as can be with our son. The only thing we ever worried about was that Sampson did not know his size. He thought he was a lap dog. A 135 pound lap dog.
I think that’s a Neopolitan Mastiff.
Good and brave dad.
“A big Mastiff comes after you and you better be prepared to fight...they are damn big.”
I had a couple of friends that raised Mastiffs out in Cheatham county. The first time I met them they (the Mastiffs) came up and smelled my crotch. It was a VERY nervous moment. I had never seen a dog that big and I really don’t know how you could fight one off without shooting the dog or being very lucky.
Amen to that!
I absolutely hate chihuahuas! We had one living down the street from my family when I was a kid, and you couldn’t even walk outside without it going after you. I literally would have to jump on the hood of a car to get away from it.
It went after my Mom once and caused her to fall and hurt her knee. She sued the owners and won. They knew the little S.O.B. was nasty and did not keep it safely in the yard and away from people.
I really have to wonder what was going on with that dog to cause it to go after that little girl. There has to be more to this story.
I shouldn’t jump the gun and assume it is the dog to blame.
She was a very sweet dog, but could be particularly nasty when it came to stray cats invading our yard. Yet, when we brought a stray cat in and she had kittens, she became best buds with one of the kittens.
I think a lot of an animals behavior has to do with the owner. Not that I’m saying that the owners are always to blame for what the animal does. I do think that it has something to do with the environment that the pet lives in.
Rotts have the strongest bite. Shepherds, dobies, and pitts are roughly tied for second place.
Bite isn’t the only factor however. There is attitude. terriers have an innate meanness, a thirst for blood. They live to shred and destroy anything that moves or breathes, especially little furry critters.
Bulldogs have an innate tenacity to clamp onto the nose of a large adversary, like a vice, and hang on for the fun of it. They are thrill seekers...adrenaline junkies. If you really watch closely, a bulldog(old bulldog, not the current british bulldog) in action, they are not quite doing it out of meanness. They are half playing and enjoying the sport of it. It’s more like a game of tug of war with the opponents face. They will go after cattle, horses, anything that is really big. Something small will do if there’s nothing big around, but givin a choice, they will invariably go after the largest thing in their field of view. They can’t help themselves. I fully believe they would go after the snout of an elephant if allowed to...or the lower lip. The bigger the animal, the more irresistible the urge to clamp onto it. They tend to clamp on to any object in reach when they are extremely happy or excited.
Mix the two dogs together, terrier and bulldog, and you get a dog that is a potential problem. Pitbull terriers, bull terriers, etc. Also, terriers tend to be really stupid animals. Bulldogs aren’t too bright either, but at least they are loyal and make a serious attempt to please a master.
Rotts, dobies, and GSDs are highly intelligent breeds and very trainable. This makes them less dangerous. Well, possibly more dangerous if they are trained for that purpose. But certainly less unpredictable.
These are just my own personal observations. I like dogs and I watch them. however, I’m not too fond of terriers. I consider many of those breeds to be barely more than vermin. Especially the smaller ones. But I do have a soft spot for the bulldog type.
Very tough dogs. There’s several that are similar in spirit, but different in coat type and color:
South Russian shepherd( Ioujnorousskaïa Ovtcharka)
caucasian mountain dog( caucasian shepherd, caucasian Ovtcharka)
central asian sheepdog
Ive never known one to be vicious. My stepson had one and he was the sweetest dog you have ever seen. They are a lot like a Boxer. He also had several Pit Bulls and I didn’t trust them at all but the Bull Mastiff was a very sweet intelligent loyal dog. He died after being attacked by one of the Pit Bulls.
Now that thar’s a DOG!
My grandaughter has one of these and a 1 yr old son. Oh my! He is still a puppy around 5 monthes old but he is already huge.
I agree but you gotta admit that "Hippo Crowd" is pretty damn funny - and points out Chets "overkill"- which can make folks numb to his "message".
Because of his message, I have developed a fear of dogs.
I have had 3 Dogue de Bordeaux aka French Mastiff...
the largest weighing in at 200 lbs..they were the best dogs I ever had..the largest “Weatherby” would sit out on the front lawn with my daughter and her friends while they played and would not let any one near them..he was their protector...unfortunately he died of bloat, something I never heard of before until then
>I really dont know how you could fight one off without shooting the dog or being very lucky.<
Punch it squarely in the tip of the nose then jamb your thumb into its eye socket. There is no animal that will continue biting if you jamb your thumb into its eye socket. Animals cannot punch therefore they do not know how to defend themselves from a punch. Their nose is a very sensitive part of an animals body, punches are very effective.
Because of his message, I have developed a fear of dogs."
I think Chet means well but may suffer from dog bites - or tunnel vision.
OMG...they look like my 3.... Forest, Weatherby,and Humphrey...
They are a beautiful dog but the massive damage they can cause in just a few seconds is frightening..
now that is funny.........
I have read that with dogs and bloat its usually because of the way they gobble down their food....better to give multiple small feeding....but with dogs, its what I have heard and not from experience...
I know that any dog can be vicious. But my American Cocker Spaniel was a prince among dogs IMHO.
He would guard my nephew when the infant was put down for a nap. He was always nearby later to play with the boy or cuddle stray kittens I would rescue. He really, really liked cats, which was great as we had nine of them!
At no time did we treat this dog other than as a major member of the family (pack). He was dearly loved and the hardest thing I’ve ever done was to euthanize him at 17-years of age.
There have been lots of threads about dog attacks but not all of them are driven by viciousness.
I want to remind folks that dogs are pack animals and will squabble among themselves for places in the pack. A family dog sees its family as a pack. Some will, I believe, attack family children who are seen as a threat to their place in the pack’s heirarchy. What seems like a vicious attack may in fact be something quite different but still unacceptable. None of us wants to see our children mauled.
I know of an infant killed when a German Shepherd bitch attempted to move a newborn baby exactly like she would a puppy, and accidentally punctured the newborn’s skull with her teeth. This was later determined not to be an attack but an accident. She was a really nice dog, but the family couldn’t tolerate having her in their home after that incident. She was given to a couple without children.
"Our 2 3/4 yr. old son has just started hitting our puppy and chasing and harrassing our cats (immitating the worst behaviours of the puppy). He is on his own initiative making the big change from diapers to potty, and I heard that some regression is to be expected due to that. I mentioned the hitting this morning to our daycare provider, and she said he and his 3 y.r old best friend (also a boy) have started hitting each other and her dog, as well as poking each other and the dog with sticks (yuck). Our son also recently went through a phase of calling us names like stupid and jerk. I personally find it easier to handle (ignore) the verbal assaults. I would really appreciate reading about how other parents have dealt with these problems.
We certainly do spend lots of time explaining to our son that the puppy (who weighs more than our son already) is our responsibility, that pets are to be taken care of and loved. We always stop him from hitting the pup and chasing the cats. We sometimes put him on timeout for his actions, and never hit him to discipline him. I am weary of having explained what is acceptable over and over without seeing any change in his behaviour. On name calling: we were told by other parents that using swearwords is mostly done to get a reaction, and so we handled the name calling in the way that was recommended for swearing. We told him that what he said was mean and could hurt peoples' feelings and then we let it go. "
Please, beckysue, read my post at #42.
There is no reason your grandbaby should become a statistic when just a little research on your part could prevent it.
There are books on dog behavior which will help you on this issue and I heartily recommend reading a few of them.
“Smile of the day” post.
SO this jerk cuts off the dog’s ears and then literally whips it into a frenzy? is this supposed to be a representative of your fine upstanding pit bull owner?
I have an American Mastiff, they are 7/8 English Mastiff and 1/8 Anatolian Mastiff. There are rules for owning any mastiff or large dog that I recommend following:
Unless you are a breeder, have all animals neutered before 6 months. And think very carefully about breeding. My dog is so large that many people wanted to breed their dogs with him—what kind of puppies would result, with that kind of irresponsibility? My breeder required, by contract, that all her dogs be neutered before 6 months.
Never ever allow the puppy to put his teeth on human skin. Never. Anything the puppy does, the grown dog will do.
Do not roughhouse with a puppy or ever play tug of war with a dog that will outweigh you. The first time it wins, it becomes the alpha in the household. I am a small woman, and I own a 213 pound dog. He is gentle, but we don’t play except for “fetch” and practicing sit, roll over, lay down, speak, etc. No roughhousing, ever. Do not tease a dog, it makes them mean. Dogs understand revenge.
Be sure the dog is healthy. A sick dog can be cranky; preventive care is crucial. Big dogs cost more at the vet, so don’t get one if you can’t afford to take care of it.
Don’t yell at or hit a puppy whose only desire is to please you. It isn’t necessary. A stern “Shame!” is all that is required. Take a class if you need to, don’t be ignorant about training. Big dogs have looooooong memories.
Remember that you own a dog. YOU own a DOG. They have emotions, they are intelligent, but they are NOT HUMAN. Any dog with a shy, aggressive, sneaky, or incurably dominant temperament is going to bite sooner or later, a human or another animal, or both. There are some dogs that should not live, and dog temperaments are inherited to a large degree. My breeder guaranteed her dogs’ temperaments for life.
Know the dog breed, and know the breeder. Many mutts or crosses will net you a great, healthy, intelligent dog, so if you know what you’re doing, fine. Careful breeding lets you know what to expect from your dog, historically. Pet stores have the worst of the worst breeders supplying them. Any decent dog from a pet store is an accident.
Control your dog at all times. Control your dog at all times.
Love your dog, in an appropriate way. They are loyal, friendly, human-centered creatures for the most part, and will please and surprise you with their desire to do whatever you want. They are not your children, they are not your best friend, and they are utterly dependent on you for their quality of life. Groom your dog, give him/her treats, provide a bed, good food, water, rewards for doing what you want, medical care, and discipline. Enjoy your dog, talk to him/her, keep him/her with you whenever possible, train your dog, cherish the touch of your dog, and remember that if you loved God half as faithfully as your dog loves you, you would be a saint.
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