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Accelerated timetable for Big Ten expansion
Chicagobreakingsports ^ | April 17, 2010 | Teddy Greenstein

Posted on 04/17/2010 6:12:38 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Edited on 04/17/2010 6:36:37 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Remember the talk that the Big Ten would take 12-18 months to decide whether to expand?

An accelerated timetable has emerged, according to sources familiar with the process.

High-ranking Big Ten representatives will meet Sunday afternoon in Washington D.C. to discuss expansion. The timing and location of the session make sense considering the Association of American Universities is holding its semi-annual meetings in D.C. from Sunday-Tuesday, and all 11 Big Ten schools are AAU members.


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Hmmmm, Interesting!

Raiding the Big East?

I'm a Memphis Tiger fan, would love for us to be reunited with our true rival Louisville and somewhat Cincinnati..

1 posted on 04/17/2010 6:12:39 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike
Pitt will stay in the Big East.

You heard it here first.

2 posted on 04/17/2010 6:14:15 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Glenn
Pitt will stay in the Big East.

That would be a shame... PSU-fan here.

3 posted on 04/17/2010 6:20:50 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Glenn

I understand Jamie Dixon prefers Big East hoops to Big Ten b-ball.


4 posted on 04/17/2010 6:21:50 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Glenn
I agree. If anything, a new member of the Big 10 will come from the Big 12; Missouri, possibly.

All I want is an opponent or two that can beat Ohio State.

5 posted on 04/17/2010 6:22:02 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Glenn

Texas Longhorns will make the Big Ten an even 12.


6 posted on 04/17/2010 6:22:41 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Bigtigermike

Of all possible mentions, Nebraska makes the most sense, and has a program most like the Big Ten teams.


7 posted on 04/17/2010 6:24:21 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That would be sweet! Texas could be an Ohio State killer!


8 posted on 04/17/2010 6:24:25 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: steelyourfaith
I understand Jamie Dixon prefers Big East hoops to Big Ten b-ball.

True, that.

It's a lot tougher to recruit a Big East team, but it's worth it.

9 posted on 04/17/2010 6:24:37 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Bigtigermike

As long as the school has or adds wrestling I’m happy. Although losing Texas could be disastrous to the Big XII.


10 posted on 04/17/2010 6:33:53 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Texas Longhorns will make the Big Ten an even 12.

It would be the worst mistake Texas could ever make. Their closest opponent would be some 500 miles away and their fans wouldn't forgive them for removing Oklahoma or Texas A&M from their football schedule. I just don't see it happening.

Notre Dame would be the obvious choice if they would just sign on to it but why should they with the sweetheart deals they already have? Plus, if the Big 10 split into two divisions like all the others, Notre Dame makes it hard to split and keep all the rivalries intact.

Missouri makes the most sense. It adds the St. Louis TV market and possibly the KC market as well.

11 posted on 04/17/2010 6:34:56 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: OrangeHoof
No way ND joins the Big Ten. They already have their Big East affiliation, and their traditional football rivalries would no longer exist if they join the Big Ten. Their TV contracts also provide them with enough revenue to remain independent.

The rumors I'm hearing in Big Ten country are:

1. Rutgers

2. Pitt

3. Iowa State

4. Nebraska

5. Missouri

6. Cincinnati

12 posted on 04/17/2010 6:37:40 PM PDT by rintense
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To: OrangeHoof
It would be the worst mistake Texas could ever make.

Not from a win-loss standpoint. Texas would run the table in the conference unless Ohio State got lucky.

From a fan standpoint, you're right. No Oklahoma or Texas A&M would anger a bunch of fans.

I agree with you that Missouri is the most likely addition to the Big 10.

13 posted on 04/17/2010 6:40:22 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rintense
and their traditional football rivalries

ND could still schedule USC and Navy as non-conference games. They just fear losing Temple and other powderpuff match-ups.

14 posted on 04/17/2010 6:42:19 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Mr. Blonde
It really doesn't matter to either conference ...

BCS National Champions by conference (1998–present)

Conference Championships Schools BCS Championship Game Record
SEC 6 Tennessee (1998), LSU (2003, 2007), Florida (2006, 2008), Alabama (2009) 6–0 (1.000)
Big 12 2 Oklahoma (2000), Texas (2005) 2–5 (0.286)
Pac-10 1 USC (2004) 1–1 (0.500)
Big Ten 1 Ohio State (2002) 1–2 (0.333)
ACC 1 Florida State (1999) 1–2 (0.333)[91] (2–4 current alignment)
Big East 1 Miami (2001) 1–2 (0.333)[91] (0–0 current alignment)

15 posted on 04/17/2010 6:45:33 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: rintense

It won’t be cincinnati. They don’t have the facilities to qualify for B10 membership. I agree that ND won’t join the B10. It doesn’t really offer them anything. Besides, the Big East is already BCS, and it would offer ND a relatively easy path to a national championship PLUS it would use up only 8 games on their schedule, leaving them with some of their traditional opponents.

I’m thinking the top candidates with state flagship-level university credentials + acceptable facilities and excellent basketball are: West Virginia, Pitt, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, and Missouri. I like the Iowa State idea. I’ve wondered about Louisville who has just opened a dynamite basketball arena.


16 posted on 04/17/2010 6:48:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ColdWater

What doesn’t matter? Wrestling? I didn’t say it did. Wrestling matters to me. And since all Big 10 schools have wrestling I am hopeful that a new member without it would add it.

As for Texas, they are a huge team surrounded by big markets, it would be bad news for the Big XII to lose them.


17 posted on 04/17/2010 6:50:29 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: OrangeHoof

“Their closest opponent would be some 500 miles away and their fans wouldn’t forgive them for removing Oklahoma or Texas A&M from their football schedule.”

You are correct, except the Big 10 is looking to add 3 to 5 teams. So what if they “went big” and brought Texas, A&M, and Oklahoma on board? That would be a conference to rival to SEC!


18 posted on 04/17/2010 6:51:26 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Mr. Blonde
What doesn’t matter?

It doesn't matter which teams go into the Big-10 or leave the Big-12 since the SEC will still dominate both.

19 posted on 04/17/2010 6:56:49 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: xzins

Iowa St. and Pitt add a rival for Iowa and Penn St. respectively but they do nothing in terms of tv markets (and tv is going to be 3/4ths of the equation).

West Virginia is another market which doesn’t have much to offer.

Nebraska, at least, has a national football fan base much the way Notre Dame does although their basketball program isn’t much.

Rutgers only makes sense as an entry way to the NY-Philly tv markets but, otherwise, they’d be a fish out of water in the Big 10. Syracuse might make more sense there.

Missouri has two good tv markets, are competitive in football and basketball, already has a rivalry with Illinois and has enough educational prestige to satisfy the snoot-nosed regents. If Notre Dame won’t budge, Missouri gives them the best option.


20 posted on 04/17/2010 7:02:09 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: xzins

There’s also some academic standard that has to be followed as well. All Big Ten schools are members of some esteemed collegiate group (can’t remember the name), and the schools that are to be considered must be members of it. I think I read somewhere that Pitt was not, but Rutgers and Nebraska are.


21 posted on 04/17/2010 7:09:44 PM PDT by rintense
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To: OrangeHoof

West Virginia is slavishly followed by the entire state, so they offer in breadth what they don’t offer in a large metro area.

Pitt, of course, is a large metro area, so they are not a bad deal in terms of TV market.

I agree regarding Missouri.

Virginia Tech doesn’t have either a metro area or a statewide following, but they do have a dynamite program. Cincy is in a America’s 24th largest metro area, but their facilities are beautiful, traditional, and woefully small.


22 posted on 04/17/2010 7:10:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ColdWater

Maybe. I guess I should mention I only care about FB and BB as far as my beloved Cowboys do well and they fund other sports.

Money matters. Gaining or losing a team that brings the DFW and Houston markets matters where the money is concerned.


23 posted on 04/17/2010 7:19:00 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: ColdWater

The operative factor is “revenue earned per school.” The “common revenue pool model” with equal shares pushes the weak sisters to excel or risk being dumped.

That will be a huge incentive with a Big Ten TV channel and lots of other sports other than football. ESPN alone is up to what—6 channels? This is about $$$ and not academics...trust me.

F


24 posted on 04/17/2010 7:25:38 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: GOP_Raider

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25 posted on 04/17/2010 7:26:51 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: ColdWater

Agree that the SEC is the premier football conference bar none.

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26 posted on 04/17/2010 7:28:18 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Missouri would be a good bet, but then what would happen to the MO-KS rivalry ? Notre Dame won’t join anything because they’re doing well as an independent. The Rust Belt colleges further east don’t have the following that Ohio State, Michigan and Iowa have.
I still think Texas might be just the school to break new ground.


27 posted on 04/17/2010 7:34:49 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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28 posted on 04/17/2010 7:52:11 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: Bigtigermike

There goes the Big East! I’m sure Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, who is running for U.S. Senate, will sue any Big East school who tries to leave just as he tried to do when the ACC came calling a few years ago.


29 posted on 04/17/2010 7:56:20 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I think the Texas state legislature has to approve a move by any state Texas school and I don’t think they would ever approve Texas without Texas A&M and maybe even Texas Tech.


30 posted on 04/17/2010 7:57:13 PM PDT by NativeTxn
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To: Bigtigermike

Will the league finally change its name when it expands?


31 posted on 04/17/2010 8:23:47 PM PDT by Rufii
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To: rintense
No way ND joins the Big Ten

Perhaps Notre Dame should join the Big Sky, not the Big Ten.

32 posted on 04/17/2010 8:23:48 PM PDT by Rufii
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To: Bigtigermike

I think the Big Ten is seriously looking at Rutgers because 1) Rutgers is a well-funded school and 2) Rutgers would bring in the the New York City and Philadelphia area fans—and that’s huge financially because that means Rutgers would get to host teams like Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan at Rutgers Stadium—a gigantic financial windfall for Rutgers and it forces the Philadelphia and New York City media to start paying attention to college football.


33 posted on 04/17/2010 8:31:21 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: buccaneer81

“If anything, a new member of the Big 10 will come from the Big 12; Missouri, possibly.”

If I had a choice in the matter, I’d remove Penn State and admit Iowa State to the Big Ten. I’d even be OK with adding Notre Dame - although the Fighting irish would proabably prefer to remain Independent.

Geographically, it makes more sense to have ISU in the Big Ten that it does for PSU. The Nittany Lions should ideally be in the Big East.


34 posted on 04/17/2010 9:42:17 PM PDT by MplsSteve (Don't Be Stupak!)
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To: MplsSteve; buccaneer81; Bigtigermike
Geographically, it makes more sense to have ISU in the Big Ten that it does for PSU. The Nittany Lions should ideally be in the Big East.

You've got it backwards. The idea is to expand the conference geographically so it gets more media attention in markets that currently ignore the Big Ten. ISU isn't going to generate any more revenue for the Big Ten if it joined.

35 posted on 04/17/2010 10:54:19 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Rutgers makes sense on that basis.
Iowa will continue to play Iowa State in the non con schedule.
btw; Iowa and other BT schools played Penn State in the non-con for many years. I can’t see PSU leaving the Big Ten.


36 posted on 04/18/2010 4:36:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: xzins

Well, the Big Ten (or whatever it will be called after expansion) will immediately split into divisions when they get their 12th school. I’m not sure how many conference games they will play. It could be that the “Big Ten” conference schedule will be a similar number of games currently played by the Big East.

The Big Ten really, really needs a conference championship game.


37 posted on 04/18/2010 6:31:26 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: buccaneer81
If anything, a new member of the Big 10 will come from the Big 12; Missouri, possibly.

At the expense of royally pissing off the alumni. It would mean the death of the Border War.

38 posted on 04/18/2010 6:40:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Texas Longhorns will make the Big Ten an even 12.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

UT ain't going anywhere without A&M. If you told me they were BOTH going to the Big 10, I might believe it.

UT has long term rivalries with A&M, which is almost love-hate, and of course, the Red River Shootout with Oklahoma. They've also had rivalries with some of the other schools, like Tech and Baylor forever, but I could see these being broken more easily.

There's also the fact that Texas politics would come into play in any conference realignment. Ann Richards blocked Texas and A&M going into the Big 12 until Baylor got the nod over TCU to enter the conference.

Rick Perry is an Aggie. Unless the Big 10(11) can accommodate two teams, Texas isn't going anywhere.

39 posted on 04/18/2010 6:41:09 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: MplsSteve
Geographically, it makes more sense to have ISU in the Big Ten that it does for PSU. The Nittany Lions should ideally be in the Big East.

Years ago with Joe Paterno was doubling as A-D, he attempted to build an eastern football conference but he couldn't make the other schools, principally Pitt & Syracuse, see the wisdom of it. So PSU goes the Big Ten route and later on the Big East expands to include football. Probably the biggest professional failure in Joe Paterno's career.

I don't see any way that Penn State voluntarily leaves the Big Ten. Given that the Big Ten is likely to expand eastward, there isn't much chance that the Big Ten will dis-invite the Nittany Lions, either.

40 posted on 04/18/2010 6:41:56 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: NativeTxn

See my post #39. I’m not sure how much clout Tech has right now, but Texas and A&M will always be in the same conference.


41 posted on 04/18/2010 6:43:17 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

What about Boise State?


42 posted on 04/18/2010 6:51:48 AM PDT by CTGopher
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To: Richard Kimball

You might be overlooking the fact that for a decade, the Big Ten had a “Texas” team in Iowa City.


43 posted on 04/18/2010 7:01:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: CTGopher

Might as well include UNI.


44 posted on 04/18/2010 7:15:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: OrangeHoof; Eric in the Ozarks; Bigtigermike

If the Big Ten went to more teams, would they have E/W or N/S and a Playoff??


45 posted on 04/18/2010 7:16:30 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

Big Ten teams can’t play all the teams in the conference, so a playoff might be worthwhile.


46 posted on 04/18/2010 7:19:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It's not real fair they don't have a playoff (along with other conferences) and ,at the same time, would behoove them to do so in preparation for bowl games.
47 posted on 04/18/2010 7:53:41 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Paleo Conservative
so it gets more media attention in markets that currently ignore the Big Ten.

The mediocre performance of the Big Ten is mostly responsible for that.

48 posted on 04/18/2010 8:57:23 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: wolfcreek

The story we’ve always heard in Columbus is that it would be East-West with a playoff.


49 posted on 04/18/2010 8:58:31 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
The story we’ve always heard in Columbus is that it would be East-West with a playoff.

Which would put Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan in the same conference. Not sure how well that would play out.

50 posted on 04/18/2010 10:29:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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