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CPU Round-up: $100 - $200 Intel and AMD Processors Tested
Techspot ^ | April 19, 2010 | Steven Walton

Posted on 04/19/2010 9:07:41 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Building your own computer

can be very time consuming and rewarding at the same time. While piecing the new hardware together is usually a relatively easy task, picking out the right components in the first place is what can make it more troublesome (that's where our PC buying guide comes in handy - but please, read on).

The first component that must be decided upon before any build takes place is the processor, as this will dictate which motherboard can be used and often the memory type. As one of the more expensive components you must choose wisely, so think about the purpose of your build and budget. Popular CPU choices often range between $100 and $200, and surprisingly in this limited price range consumers will find a huge number of AMD and Intel offerings.

In this price bracket processors can be found operating between 2.66GHz and 3.40GHz, but the differences between these go well beyond mere frequencies. The number of cores also varies with dual-core, triple-core and even quad-core processors available within this range. Other factors play an important role as well, such as cache and the thermal design power rating.

With so many choices at your disposal, we understand it's hard not to become overwhelmed. Therefore we have taken a dozen processors priced within the $100 - $200 price range and pitted them against each other, so you can draw clear conclusions on what will suit you the best.

Keep in mind that not every processor family is being represented by its flagship model. Rather, we have taken what we feel is the best value processor for that particular series. For example, the Core i5 661 falls within our target with an asking price of $200, but instead we have gone with the Core i5 650 because we feel it is a better value option.

Towards the end of the testing phase we have also added a segment that compares all 12 processors on a clock-for-clock basis. This comparison of architectures aims to remove the operating frequency impact on performance and allows us to show you exactly how these CPUs perform side-by-side. This is particularly useful for overclockers, showing just how much difference in performance there might be between two particular processors once overclocked to a certain frequency.

Besides the processors themselves, we will be also taking under consideration the value and performance differences between the platforms used, so motherboards and chipsets will be factored into the whole equation. And now, let's meet the contenders both from the green and blue camps...


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1 posted on 04/19/2010 9:07:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender
posting this from my $100 Amd Phenom II 555 running at 3.4 Gigahertsz on an MSI 770-C45 mouther board AM3 with DDR3 memory at 1600 .

See conclusion where 555 is the winner.

great to have large Cache for browsing....seems to help with Firefox, Linux Mint , compiz with 8 desktops available and multiple tabs...usually between 20 and 50.

2 posted on 04/19/2010 9:12:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for posting this. I’m currently in the looking and thinking about doing a new build stage.

I’m wondering what is the best future proof CPU that will still be worthwhile 2 or 3 years down the road. Does that mean an i7 only? An i7 system is only a few hundred dollars (pennies per day over 2 or 3 years) more than a good AMD AM3 quad core right now, but what will hold up the best over a few years?

This would be mostly for multi monitor financial trading and just surfing the net. I’m not a gamer.

Opinions please.


3 posted on 04/19/2010 9:22:17 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See conclusion where 555 is the winner.
True, in the $100 range.
The i5 750 is clearly the overall winner at $180.
And considering you can pick up an i7 860 for $200, I'm beginning to think it may be time to start phasing out my Core 2 Duo machines...
4 posted on 04/19/2010 9:25:34 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let me tell you a little secret that Intel and AMD do not want people to know. The truth is the actual cost (once everything is set up which it is) to make a chip is about 3 to 4 cents (now this was in 2000). Trust me I know someone on the inside that broke it down for me. I was shocked. I don’t believe the actual cost has gone up to much 10 cents at the most. 99% of the people DO NOT know this. I can see why...


5 posted on 04/19/2010 9:27:25 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s a great way to go but it is the software that gets you. Unless you are willing to have 100% free/sharewaye (Ubuntu, Star Office, etc.) then by the time you are done with the most basic packages you have exceeded the cost of a simple desktop (these days about $400).

For hobbying, putting together a computer is a lot of fun.

Just noting. YMMV...


6 posted on 04/19/2010 9:33:13 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: garyhope

For what you’re doing, a Core2 Duo is fine; get as much RAM as you can, a decent 2 or 4 monitor video card with at least 256 MB of on-board RAM, and go with a high speed HDD instead.

I do a lot of computational work (finite element analysis) and for number crunching I prefer more RAM; machines seem to be peppier with buckets of RAM laying around, better than significantly upgrading the CPU horsepower. The CPU is often NOT the bottleneck; it’s the processors and sandbox (HDD and RAM) around the CPU that is the limiter.


7 posted on 04/19/2010 9:33:30 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

8 posted on 04/19/2010 9:34:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: garyhope
With the prices of CPU’s, I wouldn't worry so much about future proof. A great example is the Sempron 140, which retails for around $33.00. The cpu is a dual core Regor with one of the cores locked. Most boards with a 710 or 750 SouthBridge (with ACC) are capable of unlocking the 2nd core of most of these Semprons. From there, the chip can easily be overclocked to 3.2Ghz (I'm running one @ 3.4ghz), giving you screaming fast performance for just a few dollars. And since the cpu is a 45 W chip, it runs very cool. Here's a link explaining this:

http://www.techpowerup.com/101389/Sempron_140_Unlocks_to_Athlon_II_X2.html

9 posted on 04/19/2010 9:36:12 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Sprite518

“Let me tell you a little secret that Intel and AMD do not want people to know. The truth is the actual cost (once everything is set up which it is) to make a chip is about 3 to 4 cents...”

No way this is true today except possibly for small, surface mounted small scale IC’s. Just in raw silicon surface area, these processors cost more than that. And, of course, bottom line is, they are “highly processed sand”...with about $10 billion involved in the processing.


10 posted on 04/19/2010 9:37:44 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Sprite518

Sorry but your source has no idea what it costs to build a microprocessor.

It also costs $2B to build a fab capable of building 32nm processors.


11 posted on 04/19/2010 9:39:55 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Sprite518
...the actual cost (once everything is set up which it is) to make a chip is about 3 to 4 cents...
It's that (once everything is set up) that will kill you.
Now come up with $3 billion to build a 300mm-wafer fab...
12 posted on 04/19/2010 9:40:09 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: garyhope
Future proofing a CPU in the recent past is not a smart thing to try...

IMHO using AMD with the AM2 socket has been a good move....

Intel has changed the socket quite a bit...

If starting right now the AM3 socket would seem to have some lifetime left.... Everyone always looks at the magazines benchmarks which always seem to do the tests that really only apple to Gamers...and then give recommendations that cost way more than needs to be spent.

13 posted on 04/19/2010 9:41:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping for later


14 posted on 04/19/2010 9:43:38 AM PDT by conservativehusker (Ben Nelson makes me ashamed to be a Nebraskan. (Kinda like Bill Calahan once did))
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To: astyanax
In a few days you will be able to get a Phenom II X6 for 200$...

Fry's has the 2.8 Ghz in stock and will soon start selling them for $199.

The Black processor had not yet start arriving...when I checked on Friday.

I think it will run in my MSI 770 board.

15 posted on 04/19/2010 9:44:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: astyanax; Sprite518
>> ...the actual cost (once everything is set up which it is) to make a chip is about 3 to 4 cents...

It's that (once everything is set up) that will kill you. Now come up with $3 billion to build a 300mm-wafer fab...

Then hire a bunch of engineers and technicians to run the fab ... and another bunch of E&T to design the chip ... and another bunch of E&T to test the chips ... and hire all the folks necessary to keep your company running, get materials from where they are to where they need to be ...

It's really amazing that we can get CPUs for the dirt-cheap price of $100.

We're standing on the shoulders of giants.

16 posted on 04/19/2010 9:46:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: garyhope
This would be mostly for multi monitor financial trading

Does anyone ever do a Benchmark with that specific application?

17 posted on 04/19/2010 9:46:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have built every computer I have owned, except for my first in 1992.

I have built hundreds for special purposes for the DoD over the years and last year I finally tossed my old Slot 1 units for new AMD Dual Core CPUs on ASUS motherboards.

I know there are better but I loaded them each with 8 Gigs of DDR2 PC800 RAM, Windows XP Pro 64bit, and 500Mb 256K interface graphics cards.

My son loves his for the gaming and I have no problems processing video and photo files quickly.

They should last several years before I have to do it again.

18 posted on 04/19/2010 9:47:34 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Sprite518
The truth is the actual cost (once everything is set up which it is)

So how do they recover the cost for a multi billion dollar fabrication plant?

19 posted on 04/19/2010 9:47:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

20 posted on 04/19/2010 9:48:14 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: garyhope
I’m wondering what is the best future proof CPU that will still be worthwhile 2 or 3 years down the road.

If Linux is the flavor that's your choice, why worry about it? You'll probably have an version available that is more functional than the ones out now and still work fine with whatever modern CPU you choose. Regardless the ones available now won't be obsolete.

If 7 is you choice do you really expect MSFT to have an new OS 2 or 3 years from now? :-)

21 posted on 04/19/2010 10:00:00 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the info, will definitely check it out.
I’ve been looking at the the i7 870 so I could stick with a P55 mobo (although the X58 mobo’s have dropped considerably.)
I am constantly amazed at the price vs. performance ratio.


22 posted on 04/19/2010 10:04:14 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: garyhope
... what will hold up the best over a few years?

I read a few years back that, for every 10 degrees you lower the CPU temperature, you double its life. So, lap the hell out of your heat sink and don't skimp on fans.

Granted, my 3 work computers loaf along, but I've never seen the CPU temperature above 98 degrees Fahrenheit. Then again, one of them sounds like a vacuum cleaner when it's running.

23 posted on 04/19/2010 10:06:06 AM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bm


24 posted on 04/19/2010 10:08:31 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: JoeProBono
Intel has a lot of specific instructions that AMD does not have for decoding video streams...

They usually run away with those benchmarks.

I think they fall under SSE4 ...?

not sure if I have that right.

Must be somewhere in

Intel® 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manuals

25 posted on 04/19/2010 10:10:43 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

LMAO! I’m not challenging the cost of the chip. Just giving you the actual cost of a chip once everything is in place.


26 posted on 04/19/2010 10:13:09 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I don’t know. It’s kind of an obscure application for most general public computing.


27 posted on 04/19/2010 10:21:13 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: garyhope
Rather than the CPU and Future proofing....you might want to add the USB3 and SATA 6 G coming devices into the equation....

Here is the AMD Chipset announcement that delivers on the new devices....

AMD 890GX SB850 Chipset Debut: Phenom II X6 Ready

And one board from ASUS:

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

28 posted on 04/19/2010 10:22:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: garyhope

The only CPU bound activity I have is converting HD video from MPEG2 to MPEG4.

With the i7, it is now fast enough that I can finish a project in one evening. Three years from now I’ll be drooling over the new hardware but the i7 has given me enough speed that I can live without an upgrade.

I basically wore out the cooling fans on two dual core pentium computers that I had running day and night crunching video. The older dual core computer would require over 24 hours of computing time for one project.

Of course I say that now but when next year’s systems come out all bets are off.


29 posted on 04/19/2010 10:23:00 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: garyhope
Depending on how the application is written.,...an Excel spreadsheet benchmark might track closeyl....

Wouldn't think floating point would get used since we are talking Financials....Games use Floating point heavily usually.

30 posted on 04/19/2010 10:26:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Sprite518

Sand doesn’t cost much.


31 posted on 04/19/2010 10:30:50 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: JoeProBono

From that chart, there doesn’t seem to be a real reason to upgrade from a Core 2 duo or quad at this point. Unless there is a clear doubling of processor power, an upgrade won’t be very noticeable.

There is only a 10% gain between the C2d and the lower end i3 and i5 processors. That’s not really worth paying for.


32 posted on 04/19/2010 10:32:01 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: dangerdoc; JoeProBono

See #20...but notice the CPu Freq are set at 2.4.


33 posted on 04/19/2010 10:32:50 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: astyanax

See #28. also.


34 posted on 04/19/2010 10:34:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MediaMole

Did you notice that all were run at the same freq?


35 posted on 04/19/2010 10:35:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: garyhope; astyanax
Review of the MoBo chipset :

Asus M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 Motherboard Review: AMD's 890GX Chipset Makes Its Debut

Gigabyte may have a board out too ...I think.

36 posted on 04/19/2010 10:44:50 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
37 posted on 04/19/2010 10:46:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bingo


38 posted on 04/19/2010 10:47:26 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That’s one feature I’ve always liked about AMD.
Their sockets tend to have a great “shelf life”.
As for USB 3.0, PCI-e cards are already available for $30, and will certainly be much cheaper in the near future.


39 posted on 04/19/2010 10:48:16 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Regarding the Gigabyt 890 board at # 37...be aware...

Cons: - no CPU unlocking

40 posted on 04/19/2010 10:52:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Regarding the ASUS Board at #28:

Core Unlocker – Turn on True Core Performance

41 posted on 04/19/2010 10:54:34 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Another article on the next AMD processor:

AMD Phenom II X6 “Thuban” Processors to Get Dynamic Speed Boost Technology.

And

AMD Plans to Launch Five Six-Core Desktop Microprocessors. in 2010

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Forthcoming Desktop Microprocessors from AMD

Model

Code-name

No. of cores

Cache

TDP

Platform

Availability

Phenom II X6 1075T

Thuban

6

9MB

125W

AM3

Q2 2010

Phenom II X6 1055T

Thuban

6

9MB

125W

AM3

Q2 2010

Phenom II X6 1055T

Thuban

6

9MB

95W

AM3

Q2 2010

Phenom II X6 1035T

Thuban

6

9MB

95W

AM3

Q2 2010

Phenom II X4 960T

Zosma 

4

8MB

95W

AM3

Q2 2010

Phenom II X6 10xxT

Thuban

6

9MB

?

AM3

Q3 2010

Considering that AMD plans to implement dynamic acceleration technology that can accelerate certain cores when they are needed while slowing down the unneeded cores to maintain the TDP, it should be noted that AMD Phenom II X6 1055T with 95W TDP and 1055T with 125W power envelope will show different performance levels as the latter will be able to accelerate itself to higher frequencies in case of single-threaded, dual-threaded or triple-threaded applications.

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I want that 9m cache.....I am convinced that really helps with Web browsing....

42 posted on 04/19/2010 11:02:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow - it comes, it goes, and this swing of the pendulum means that home-builts are cost-effective once again. W00t!

I'm gonna git me an EISA motherboard with a 512-MB hard drive and this time I'm laying down the money for a math co-processor. You guys are gonna be soooo jealous...

43 posted on 04/19/2010 11:05:46 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
ROFL....Rip van Winkle ...is that you?

Someone is gonna ask you .... what is a mathcoprocessor....???

44 posted on 04/19/2010 11:08:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, heck - it’s that socket next to the place where you solder in the Turbo button. I’m not gonna drop the bucks for one o’ them fancy-dan new mobos with jumpers on it. Kids these days.


45 posted on 04/19/2010 11:11:24 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sprite518

With the facility costing $2 billion to build? Don’t think so.


46 posted on 04/19/2010 11:12:06 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Sprite518
Let me tell you a little secret that Intel and AMD do not want people to know. The truth is the actual cost (once everything is set up which it is) to make a chip is about 3 to 4 cents (now this was in 2000). Trust me I know someone on the inside that broke it down for me. I was shocked. I don’t believe the actual cost has gone up to much 10 cents at the most. 99% of the people DO NOT know this. I can see why...

Wow! Why don't you start making chips and selling them for $1 each! You could make a fortune!

47 posted on 04/19/2010 11:16:04 AM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Keep in mind that the i5 is only a dual core chip. The i7 has the same processing enhancements with twice as many cores.

I am a very satisfied customer.


48 posted on 04/19/2010 11:41:50 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Billthedrill

I had an 80387.


49 posted on 04/19/2010 11:44:54 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Billthedrill

I’ve been keeping my eye on a few math co-processors on a couple of message boards for quite some time now.

Soon one will be mine!


50 posted on 04/19/2010 11:49:08 AM PDT by mowowie
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