DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office

Canada Free Press ^ | April 20, 2010 | J.B. Williams

[DTogo]

This subject is not my hot button issue. As I said, I simply think the request to see the B/C is legitimate, and Obama's behaviour regarding the B/C is highly un-Presidential and juvenile.

Hence, something's rotten in Denmark.

[rxsid]

How can a USURPER command our armed forces?
How can a USURPER sign any treaties with foreign governments?
How can a USURPER sign anything into law, let alone the health care monstrosity?

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

 

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

Factcheck.org goes on to say this about Obama Sr., Jr. and the British Nationality Act of 1948:

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

 

Even the modern day State Department rules discusses the problems associated with dual citizenship:

7 FAM 081: U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality:

(e)While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim on the person.

...

the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both." See Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717 (1952).

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86563.pdf

So, back to the question: "HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"
It can't. Of course not. Yet, right there, on his campaign web site F.T.S., it's stated that a foreign government "governed" Barry from birth and the reason it did, was that Barry inherited that foreign citizenship by way of his foreign national father (no matter where he was born), a fact backed up by Factcheck.org. Assuming, of course, that Sr. was his legal father at birth.
How, then, could he possibly be a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.?
Barry Soetoro, the divided citizen at birth!

Barack Obama a/k/a Barry Soetoro *	NOT Obama / Soetoro
* This assumes HI birth.

http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed the parents (or grandparents or other relative) of baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. A mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by one of his grandparents (who forged the parent signature(s)) would have been enough to set up a birth record and a birth certificate at the Dept of Health. The Dept of Health would then have automatically sent the names of the parents, their address as given on the mailed-in form , the gender of the child, and the date of birth to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin. The address given for the parents in the newspaper announcements is actually, however, the August 1961 home address of Obama’s maternal grandparents Stanley and Madelyn Dunham [6085 Kalanianaole Highway], and not the 1961 home address of Barack Obama, Sr. [625 11th Ave].) This notification would then have automatically generated the newspaper announcements. (This was the practice of the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin at the time).

Bottom line: Even IF (big IF) he was born in HI, he inherited his father's foreign citizenship as well, making him a US citizen by US law and the subject of the crown of her majesty the Queen of England by inheritance and England's law. He could not be considered a Natural Born Citizen as known by and as intended by the framers.

[The_Reader_David]

Even the most far left member of that court, Justice Ginsberg, is on record proclaiming that a “natural born citizen” is a birth child of TWO legal US citizens.

That's a stretch, and would nullify the citizenship of millions of kids born to international marriages, born here or overseas.

No, the point is that as the phrase was understood at the Founding, "natural born citizen" means something more than "citizen at birth". A suit to nullify Obama's election based on originalist constitutional theory does not need to present the long-form birth certificate, only the fact that Barack Obama, Sr. was a British subject and not a U.S. citizen at the time of his son's birth. Only if a court decided that "natural born citizen" is equivalent to "citizen at birth" does the contents of long-form birth certificate become an issue.

The "millions of kids" wouldn't have their citizenship nullfied, they're just ineligible to serve as President or Vice President.

[Fred Nerks]

Who signed the divorce papers??? Both of them signed those papers. That makes it a legal fact of life — a hurdle that you cannot get over to start exhuming bodies to support some fantasy.

SCRIBD copies of the 'divorce' LINK

SIGNED ONLY BY ONE PARTY. RETURNED TO SENDER!

[little jeremiah]

Pinging a couple of freepers who would likely know the details. I do not keep track of links or sources or where info it; I just store it messily in my mental file cabinet. I have read a number of times that the information was obtained (FOI??) from the State Department (again, IIRC, it was from some US agency/dept) that there is no record of 0bama holding a US passport before he was a senator.

Maybe he had a passport under the name Soetoro, but maybe Fred or Lucy will know the facts.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ezCRCMse2w

VIDEO - OBAMA RETAKES THE OATH.

[rabidralph]

Please, do!

[Fred Nerks]

sorry, I don’t have anything on that...

[Menehune56]

If The One were to call a press conference and hold up a birth certificate showing that he is NOT a “natural born citizen” what difference would it make? I’m not saying he should remain in office. I’m saying that the majority would yawn and say so what.

In effect this is what has already happened...

[little jeremiah]

Thank you. I wish my mental file cabinet were in better order, but it’s too late in life for a do-over. Stuck with what I got.

Maybe I should go play my guitar for a while!

;-)

[Forty-Niner]

I understand....however

Obama’s meeting the requirement set out in the Constitution for Holding the office of POTUS is a very important issue because:

The US is a Nation of Laws, not of persons/personalities...

Obama’s Presidency is in direct violation of the “Rules” we as a nation all agreed on.... ie the US Constitution.....

Obama’s Presidency has created a Constitutional Crisis that must be resolved in order for us to remain a Nation of Laws.

If Obama is not legaly President are any Laws, policies, appointments, etc. enacted by him voidable and or void? What is what now? Uncertainty of the Law is dangerous in a free society....

Allowing Obama to continue in the Presidency sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

Obama’s continued occupation of POTUS undermines our stature in the world among other nations.

Note: When the Founders wrote the requirements for the Presidency, which are very simple actually..... Age/Residency/US born & Parentage, they sought to exclude persons just like Obama from reaching the Presidency......how could we, as a nation, go so wrong?

[little jeremiah]

Hawaii had more births per week than were posted in the birth announcements. Some didn’t go in for some reason. I know someone has posted info about this lately and if I find it I’ll post it.

[little jeremiah]

Here it is, right on this very thread:

(courtesy ping to Fred Nerks, sorry for the bother)

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2496984/posts?page=221

IMO the story that birth announcements were published as the result of a list provided to the newspapers is nothing but a myth. There were over 150 births per week in Honolulu in 1961. The papers printed less than half this number. How did they decide who to include and who to leave out? How did they know to delay the announcement of the birth of the Nordyke twins...an announcement for twins is often delayed according to their health, only the parents would make that decision, when the announcement should appear.

Below, are the current conditions printed by the Honolulu Advertiser. There’s no mention of a list from Vital Statistics...we need to know if the same conditions applied in 1961. Did they then require a photo-copy of a birth certificate from the State, to place an announcement?

READER SERVICES

Submit a birth announcement
Aloha and congratulations on your new arrival!

The Honolulu Advertiser invites you to announce the birth of your new baby in the Island Life section of the Sunday newspaper and on our Web site.

You can mail your announcement to The Advertiser via one of the addresses below or fax it to 535-8170. Feel free to attach additional pages or a copy of an invitation. No street addresses or telephone numbers will be published or given out; they are requested for verification purposes only.

IMPORTANT: You must attach a photocopy of your baby’s official state-issued birth certificate; we cannot print your announcement without it.

You can also submit your celebration announcement using our online form.

The Advertiser publishes announcements up to six months after the baby’s birth. Only parents named on the birth certificate can be mentioned. At least one parent must be a current or former Hawai’i resident or Hawai’i-stationed military member.

Here’s the legal stuff: All submissions may be edited for length, accuracy and clarity. By submitting a photograph and/or announcement information, you grant The Honolulu Advertiser the right to publish, distribute, archive and otherwise use the photograph and information, in whole or in part, in print, electronic or any other media and for promotional purposes related to The Advertiser’s products and services. In addition, you represent that you have the right to authorize The Advertiser to use the photograph and information submitted.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/current/oh/births

[tutstar]

ping

[cynwoody]

The US Supreme Court knows what the constitutional condition of “natural born citizen” means. Even the most far left member of that court, Justice Ginsberg, is on record proclaiming that a “natural born citizen” is a birth child of TWO legal US citizens.

What a moron! He can't even spell her name correctly. If Justice Ginsburg had proclaimed that two plus two is four, it would not mean that three plus one is not four.

There is more than one way to be a natural born citizen. You can be born in Paris of citizen parents (jus sanguinis), as was Ginsburg's grandchild, and you are natural born. You can also be born in the United States of non-diplomat parents (jus soli), and you are natural born. In general, you are either naturalized or a citizen at birth. If you are a citizen at birth, you are natural born. End of story.

If you want a hint as to what members of the Court think a natural born citizen is, have a look at the oral arguments in Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS, argued in January, 2001. That's where the Ginsburg quote originates, the meaning of which our dishonest author distorts.

Here's a sample from my link above:

Justice Breyer: Are you saying that children of American parents born abroad, of whom there are millions and millions, are naturalized citizens and could never be President like George Romney couldn't have run for President?

Mr. Davis: I'm sorry, the children of parents born abroad are naturalized?

Justice Breyer: Yes, I mean, their... their citizenship is conferred by statute, and they are citizens from birth, and there are probably tens of millions of them, and George Romney was one of them, and I had not thought that they were naturalized citizens.

I thought they were citizens who were citizens by virtue of their birth, and they're citizens from birth, but you were saying they're the same as naturalized.

Or maybe I misunderstood.

Mr. Davis: Yes.

Your Honor, the wording of the Constitution is natural born citizens for purposes of being President or Vice President.

And what... I haven't done the research myself.

What commentators say is that natural born is the equivalent of... includes, encompasses jus soli and jus sanguinis.

But that's a different term than naturalized.

Justice Breyer: If that's so, then those who... then those who are born abroad of an American parent are natural born citizens in your view?

Mr. Davis: That's correct.

Justice Breyer: Contrasted with naturalized citizens who would have been aliens who previously were aliens and would have become citizens by virtue of a naturalization law; is that right?

Mr. Davis: Your Honor, I guess the question is whether the term naturalized in the Constitution also encompasses natural born citizens.

In Rogers versus Bellei suggested that it did.

Justice Breyer: Well, I... for present purposes what we're interested in is what standard of review to apply, and whether the extremely deferential standard applies to these natural born citizens.

Mr. Davis: I think it's... I think it's totally clear that jus sanguinis citizenship has a different history than naturalized citizenship and has traditionally by this Court as well as by Congress been treated differently.

Justice Scalia: But has not been called natural born citizenship?

I mean, isn't it clear that the natural born requirement in the Constitution was intended explicitly to exclude some Englishmen who had come here and spent some time here and then went back and raised their families in England?

They did not want that.

They wanted natural born Americans.

Mr. Davis: Yes, by the same token...

Justice Scalia: That is jus soli, isn't it?

Mr. Davis: By the same token, one could say that the provision would apply now to ensure that Congress can't apply suspect classifications to keep certain individuals from aspiring to those offices.

Justice Scalia: Well, maybe.

I'm just referring to the meaning of natural born within the Constitution.

I don't think you're disagreeing.

It requires jus soli, doesn't it?

Mr. Davis: No, Your Honor, I do disagree with that.

I believe that it encompasses jus sanguinis citizenship.

Justice Ginsburg: And any academic right is... there's a debate over that?

Mr. Davis: Is a debate over it, that's correct...

Justice Ginsburg: There is a debate over whether my grandson is a natural born citizen.

I think he is.

[tutstar]

gnip

[Windflier]

No I have NOT read up on it.

Then just understand that you're stepping into an ongoing conversation with a lot of people who've advanced their educations in this subject over the last two years, and who've spent countless hours debating it.

if you are born in the USof A you are entitled to citizenship.

Yes, you are, but what kind of citizenship you'll hold is determined by factors peculiar to your birth. There are different classes of citizenship in this country.

Last I looked, Hawaii was a state in ‘61.

It sure was, but until Obama proves that he was born there, it's a moot point, and has little bearing on this conversation, except in the hypothetical.

Even if it turns out that he was born there, he would only be qualified under our laws for simple US Citizenship - not Natural Born Citizenship. There is a difference.

[Forty-Niner]

Since Biden was not listed separately on the ballot, but was listed as an adjunct to Obama, is he legally Vice President?

The law, as I understand it, is that If a candidate cannot be qualified the next qualified candidate is elected....Biden was never a candidate for president.....

Do the rules of succession >VP>Speaker>SOS>etc. apply if the sitting president is disqualified (as opposed to being removed or dying) from holding the presidency in the first place?........

Its a mess no matter what!

[VastRWCon]

That is why want this to wait until after my daughter graduates HS in June, her school is on the city/county line. I can deal with riots (I have guns) but her driving to school and back... yes I want this out, just not now, in a few months... during the summer.

[Uncle Chip]

Your recollection is correct. Somewhere there was a thread on it, by Post and Email??? Maybe?? to the effect that the State Department, as a result of an FOIA request, said that they had no application for passport on file from Barack Obama.