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Hamilton Police shooting video
Billings Gazette ^ | April 14, 2010 | Will Moss

Posted on 04/23/2010 11:21:15 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder

Dashboard video from a January traffic stop in Hamilton that ended in gunfire. A jury ruled on April 13, 2010 that Hamilton Police Officer Ross Jessop was justified in shooting Raymond Thane Davis.

one lucky cop


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: cop; dui; shoot
One lucky cop...note the first shot by the driver was on either an empty chamber or a fired round. In the end...good shooting.
1 posted on 04/23/2010 11:21:15 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

good!


2 posted on 04/23/2010 11:22:01 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Thank God that first shot failed, for whatever reason...and for the verdict.


3 posted on 04/23/2010 11:26:46 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I wonder how long before somebody chimes in to say the cop was not justified, over reacted or somehow finds a way to blame either this cop inparticular or poor training of cops in general.
4 posted on 04/23/2010 11:28:07 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: Mich Patriot
Looked as if they perp got off three shots, two at point blank range. The officer is very very lucky to be alive. Thank God we have men and women that are willing to do this and other similar jobs
5 posted on 04/23/2010 11:31:34 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: Michael.SF.

I’m not a big fan of cops. In this case, the cop was spot-on justified and I am very happy he was not hurt. The perpetrator is currently at the correct temperature he deserves to be.


7 posted on 04/23/2010 11:37:42 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Everything looks good to me, why was this even before a jury? Waste of tax money. Good shooting for the cop.
8 posted on 04/23/2010 11:37:50 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: dirtymac

I counted. That was a 15 round clip the cop put into the car. Good stance, outstanding reaction, excellent shooting and all around clear headedness.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 11:39:41 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I too am critical of law enforcement. Not this one. Officer was just doing his job. Glad he got this guy, he obviously had a screw loose and/or a checkered past.


10 posted on 04/23/2010 11:40:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Like many others, I saw the headline and thought ‘here we go again’. But the cop did a great job...


11 posted on 04/23/2010 11:45:37 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Tag line deleted...don't want to incite violence...)
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To: chuckles

There’s always independent review by a grand jury when an officer shoots someone. So that it can’t be claimed government (DA, courts, etc) are in collusion together on the shooting and just covering for the officer.

It’s checks and balances by the citizenry. Something great about our country, not something to say we don’t need.


12 posted on 04/23/2010 11:48:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I’m sure there would be those that will argue those points. I just am impressed with his reaction and fairly decent shooting technique. I would like to know how many hits were scored. Overall, I’m sure he could be criticized for small tactical errors, but no way was he wrong in shooting the dirt bag.


13 posted on 04/23/2010 11:50:31 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: Michael.SF.

I wondered how long it would be before someone would post that remark.

When police do something wrong, it should be pointed out and they should be punished. Being a cop should not be a get out of jail free card and cops should be held to a higher standard.

When we criticize police, it is for cause, not just because they put on a uniform.


14 posted on 04/23/2010 12:00:13 PM PDT by Badray (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Badray
When we criticize police, it is for cause, not just because they put on a uniform.

Do you have a list of freepers that follow that particular mindset/rule? Because there are plenty on here that do just the opposite, i.e. criticize because they put on a uniform. Some freepers do not follow your line of thinking.....
15 posted on 04/23/2010 12:07:39 PM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: Badray
When we criticize police, it is for cause

Well,"cause" is subjective.

I have seen few subjects posted on here at FR that have a more widespread difference of opinion then when a cop is being charged with abuse/brutality or other similar inappropriate behavior. It surprises me that so many here are so strongly anti cop.

I know I differ on this, in some respects, as my wife has a very low opinion of cops, which matches much of what I have seen here at FR. (NOT referring to you, but just in general)

16 posted on 04/23/2010 12:09:10 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: Michael.SF.

Well, there are 3 good reasons to dislike police:
1. A bad experience (or perceived bad experience) with a police officer
2. The person has, is, or will be doing something they think is wrong/illegal and that person is subconsciously or consciously projecting their guilt as hate towards police
3. A person’s parents would taunt them, when they were a young child, that “If you don’t behave the police officer will take you away to jail!”

A healthy dislike of your government and it’s officials is fine....people just need to remember that 1 uniform isn’t all uniforms nor is 1 law enforcement agency the same as all law enforcement agencies.


17 posted on 04/23/2010 12:20:00 PM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Notice how at the end of the video there is bight flash in the distance? Looks like the perp crashed into a power pole probably due to multiple GSW.


18 posted on 04/23/2010 12:32:46 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
A little Google gives the rest of the story plus an obituary:
Sheriff/Coroner Chris Hoffman has released the name of the deceased man involved in a January 2 shooting incident in Hamilton, MT. Hoffman said Raymond Thane Davis, age 36 of Hamilton, MT, died as a result of a single gunshot wound.

January 2 at 1:09 a.m., Hamilton Police Officers responded to a criminal mischief complaint concerning Davis. Two officers contacted Davis in regards to this complaint and determined there were no grounds for a citation at that time. The officers noted that Davis appeared to be intoxicated and advised him not to drive.

January 2, at 1:55 a.m., Hamilton Police Officer Ross Jessop stopped a vehicle known to be driven by Raymond “Thane” Davis because of a traffic violation at the intersection of Highway 93 and Adirondac.

Officer Jessop turned on his flashing lights signaling Davis to pull over. Davis pulled his car over. Officer Jessop got out of his car, approached Davis’ vehicle, and began talking with Davis. Davis pulled a gun and fired at the officer, Officer Jessop returned fire and hit Davis; Davis then sped east on Fairgrounds Road. Davis’ vehicle collided with a utility box and a building at the Ravalli County Road Shop. Davis was pronounced dead at the scene. Davis is a registered violent offender with a lengthy criminal history.

Here is the cleaned up version of the man who tried to shoot a cop in the head:

HAMILTON – Raymond “Thane” Davis was born Sept. 17, 1973. He was given freedom from his earthly cares on Saturday, Jan. 2, 2010.
Thane had a great love of the outdoors. Whether it was camping, hiking or fishing you could find him there enjoying Montana’s big sky country. One of his favorite places in the summer was jumping off the Corvallis Bridge and swimming in his beloved river.
His passion was hitching horse hair and Western arts. He loved old country music and Ford Mustangs; they were “his car.”
Thane was a big teddy bear who had a heart of gold. He would give anyone that was down and out a second chance. When Thane came back to the valley after a long absence, he found not everyone was as forgiving as he was. The last year of his life was filled with ups and downs. Immense joys and deep, deep sorrows. He is now happy forever in the loving arms of his Savior Jesus Christ, who he knew without a doubt, would always forgive him.

Well, here's hoping he asked forgiveness between the time he pulled the trigger and the time the bullet found him.

19 posted on 04/23/2010 12:36:17 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Hacklehead; bitterohiogunclinger

There is a link to the article on the side of the video page. It states the officer fired 14 shots total with one going through the driver’s seat and hitting the POS in the back, killing him by the time they pulled him out of the wreckage.

It also states how after the shoot-out the officer went, got his patrol rifle, and went to the wreck to make sure the threat was eliminated.

I would call that a perfect ending and perfect example of a worst case patrol scenario where the officer reacted perfectly and didn’t wet himself and let himself be killed like so many red-diaper-doper-baby liberals would.

The POS was a multiple felony offender who shouldn’t have been out of prison to begin with. But RDDB liberal policies allowed him out on the street and he almost killed a police officer.


20 posted on 04/23/2010 12:39:23 PM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: IrishCatholic

Who in God’s name wrote the sickening OBIT for this psycho waste of skin?


21 posted on 04/23/2010 12:39:54 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Press release from the PD a few days after the incident:

HAMILTON POLICE DEPARTMENT NEWS RELEASE
JANUARY 2 INCIDENT, HAMILTON, MT
Contact: Ryan Oster, Hamilton Police Chief
Date: January 4, 2010
Sheriff/Coroner Chris Hoffman has released the name of the deceased man involved in a January 2
shooting incident in Hamilton, MT. Hoffman said Raymond Thane Davis, age 36 of Hamilton, MT, died as a result of a single gunshot wound.

January 2 at 1:09 a.m., Hamilton Police Officers responded to a criminal mischief complaint concerning Davis. Two officers contacted Davis in regards to this complaint and determined there were no grounds for a citation at that time. The officers noted that Davis appeared to be intoxicated and advised him not to drive.

January 2, at 1:55 a.m., Hamilton Police Officer Ross Jessop stopped a vehicle known to be driven by Raymond “Thane” Davis because of a traffic violation at the intersection of Highway 93 and Adirondac.

Officer Jessop turned on his flashing lights signaling Davis to pull over. Davis pulled his car over. Officer Jessop got out of his car, approached Davis’ vehicle, and began talking with Davis. Davis pulled a gun and fired at the officer, Officer Jessop returned fire and hit Davis; Davis then sped east on Fairgrounds Road. Davis’ vehicle collided with a utility box and a building at the Ravalli County Road Shop. Davis was pronounced dead at the scene. Davis is a registered violent offender with a lengthy criminal history.

Missoula Police Department was contacted by the Hamilton Police Department to conduct the
investigation into the incident. According to Hamilton Police Chief Ryan Oster (pronounced Ohster),

“When there is an incident such as this, it is Department policy to call in an outside agency to
investigate. Missoula Police Department has trained detectives for officer involved shootings. It is
important that we have an independent investigation for the way we conduct our operations.”

“As part of standard operating procedure, Officer Jessop has been placed on administrative leave
pending the outcome of the investigation; said Chief Oster, Missoula Police Department will complete their investigation, evidence will be processed at the State Crime Lab in Missoula, and eventually there will be a Coroner’s Inquest conducted by John Pohle, Powell County Coroner, as required by Montana law.”

“Officer Jessop has been employed by the Hamilton Police Department for 13 months. During this time he has completed the Montana Law Enforcement Academy, and has performed exceptionally, said Chief Oster. It is always tragic when there is a loss of life. Our primary concern is for public safety and the safety of our officers. I know that Officer Jessop responded in a professional and appropriate manner in an extremely dangerous situation.”


22 posted on 04/23/2010 12:41:42 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (We will secure the borders ..and . never again bring forward another amnesty bill - Ted Kennedy '86)
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To: IrishCatholic
"He is now happy forever in the loving arms of his Savior Jesus Christ, who he knew without a doubt, would always forgive him."

Well, here's hoping he asked forgiveness between the time he pulled the trigger and the time the bullet found him.

I'm pretty sure that being intoxicated on whiskey voided any conversation he had with G-d before he decided to shoot a gun at a police officer. I'm also pretty sure that he wasn't having any conversation with G-d whatsoever as he was a previously convicted felon and obviously could've gave 2 craps less about G-d or else he would've learned his lesson the first 2 times he was put away.

Yah, what a beautiful golden boy that POS was....I'm sure the family was chomping at the bits with a civil lawyer in tow waiting for that inquest verdict.
23 posted on 04/23/2010 12:44:57 PM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Probably a grieving family member who wanted him to be something other than who he became. A tragedy for them.

But, good fortune that he won't be able to try and murder anyone else. You always hope that people can seize the opportunity to be saved. But almost always you are disappointed.

24 posted on 04/23/2010 12:46:13 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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25 posted on 04/23/2010 12:47:17 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The Hamilton police are shooting a video? Shouldn’t they be out there solving crimes and stuff?


26 posted on 04/23/2010 12:48:35 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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That’s the value of having a dash cam.
Ends the chance of that lawsuit right there. Now the only hope for an ambulance chaser is to find out how much the deductable is for the insurance carrier for the city, and to file a suit for less than that.
Then the insurance carrier settles to avoid costs and the city and the officer have no say.

Of course, premiums go up which mean taxes go up.


27 posted on 04/23/2010 12:49:13 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: brent13a

No, I don’t have such a list. I read these threads and haven’t seen what you suggest.

Do you have a list of those (and links to prove it) that you claim just hate cops?


28 posted on 04/23/2010 12:49:30 PM PDT by Badray (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Woah... that’s some impressive video. Good example of how suddenly and “out of nowhere” a routine stop can become a deadly one. Mere fractions of a second made the difference between life and death for that officer. Scary stuff.


29 posted on 04/23/2010 12:50:38 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Badray

I know what Brent’s talking about above. There’s plenty of cop-haters around here. They’ll be along any time now.

I don’t know why they feel the way they do. Most conservatives are all for law-and-order, and capturing and convicting criminals. Since we need cops as part of that process, I’m not sure what alternative they might propose.


30 posted on 04/23/2010 12:53:06 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Michael.SF.

I don’t believe that it is that subjective.

This officer did well and he did good. I am glad that he survived. He is not the type that draws criticism from the vast majority of the so called anti-cop posters.

Abuse of power is one of the major complaints on this board, whether it is President Zero or the cop on the street. Their duty is to protect and serve, not subjugate and harass.

The only things worse than the ‘bad’ cop is the ‘just following orders’ excuse and the ‘good’ cops who cover for them.


31 posted on 04/23/2010 12:59:53 PM PDT by Badray (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Good riddance

32 posted on 04/23/2010 1:14:12 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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To: Ramius

Over 30 posts and not one ‘cop hater’. I don’t think that it is the result of the post that I originally responded to. I do think that it is because there was no abuse or wrong doing by the officer involved.

Being a cop isn’t a crime. Being a bad cop is but one that doesn’t often get punished in a fair and honest way. That’s what gets us fired up.


33 posted on 04/23/2010 1:16:06 PM PDT by Badray (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: glorgau

All the headline said was that the cop was cleared of any charges in shooting the perp. Did he kill the guy when he shot as shown in the video?


34 posted on 04/23/2010 1:23:41 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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Do you have a list of those (and links to prove it) that you claim just hate cops?

No, so touche, as the french say. However, I DO have many a migraine obtained over the years from FR discussions turned into unwinnable arguments because there are so many out there that literally just hate the police for no real good reason.....or no clear reason. Plenty exist here on FR and I've encountered them plenty of times.

There are also those on FR that don't specifically hate the police rather they hate certain laws and therefore argue the validity of police actions, etc.

I have a feeling that a lot of these people are either trolls, or they are more libertarian than plain old conservative.

Nonetheless I can understand that someone may have a reason to hate a cop, or a police department, or a particular law but they also need to recognize just like any other uniformed job there is a person behind each badge and 98.9% do the job that's supposed to be done and how the law says to do it.

On a sidenote most people that hate cops do so because they believe they know the law and they know their rights in any given situation. These people believe they have read and memorized their states' criminal code and they are born lawyers......99.999999% of the time these people are wrong and when proven so=hate the po-po.

Then you have the "ME" crowd. I.E. "Don't you know who I am?" or "You have no idea who you are dealing with...I know the Sheriff!" etc, etc. These people are born peni$-heads and unfortunately they too will also dislike police because a cop will tell them they are doing something wrong when no one else will tell them as such.
35 posted on 04/23/2010 1:24:46 PM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I just reread the the headline of this article. This shooting went to a jury trial. Why the hell did the prosecutor enen bring charges. This is rediculous.


36 posted on 04/23/2010 1:27:36 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Good shoot. Like my bumper sticker says: “When in doubt, EMPTY the Magazine”


37 posted on 04/23/2010 1:36:54 PM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: PLMerite

Truly. If that wasn’t a good shoot, I can’t imagine what would be. The shooter had a .41 Magnum, btw. Not that it matters if it misses, I guess.


38 posted on 04/23/2010 2:40:57 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
justified in shooting Raymond Thane Davis

Does this mean there was doubt?

39 posted on 04/23/2010 2:52:24 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“Not that it matters if it misses, I guess.”

Yeah, I bet “click!” is his new favorite sound.


40 posted on 04/23/2010 3:53:00 PM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: Ramius

Agreed. What I found kind of interesting was the “escalation”.

First there was the argument wrt whether the driver was in LT only lane. Hmmm. OK, honest mistake, maybe.

Then, when the driver answered “plenty” to the officer’s question as to how much he’d been drinking...that was unquestionably a signal that the driver felt, in some way, that he had little to lose. Anybody who would say something like that was at least a little confrontational, certainly not apologetic in any way. Quite the hint, eh?


41 posted on 04/24/2010 1:58:00 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
As part of standard operating procedure, Officer Jessop has been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation; said Chief Oster

BTTT! Fantastic video.

I hope Officer Jessop was exonerated of any wrongdoing. The man is a hero and deserves a medal and promotion as far as I'm concerned. He almost lost his life; the scumbag took point blank aim at the officer's head.

However, there is one thing that makes me wonder about this shooting; namely, would an ordinary citizen be exonerated in similar circumstances? It's not clear to me that he would be exonerated as he fired 16 shots at a fleeing criminal. The first shot was fired at the moment the truck began to move, but all subsequent shots were fired at a fleeing felon. Which is all copacetic as far as I'm concerned. But what's good for Officer Jessop is good for every one of us ordinary sad sacks.

42 posted on 08/15/2010 4:09:50 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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“However, there is one thing that makes me wonder about this shooting; namely, would an ordinary citizen be exonerated in similar circumstances? It’s not clear to me that he would be exonerated as he fired 16 shots at a fleeing criminal. The first shot was fired at the moment the truck began to move, but all subsequent shots were fired at a fleeing felon. Which is all copacetic as far as I’m concerned. But what’s good for Officer Jessop is good for every one of us ordinary sad sacks.”

Hmmm. Probably all of those shots would be verboten for a civilian in most states. Once the driver took off, it was abundantly clear that the officer (and we are putting ourselves or some unnamed civilian in his boots for purposes of this thought exercise) was out of mortal danger. We cannot really complete this exercise, though, because it’s hard to imagine a situation where a civilian would be physically in the same circumstance that the officer was while making the stop.

But this is a circumstance where the laws governing police behavior and response prevail. And I don’t know what those are. In most circumstances that I’ve heard of (which means very little) once a bad guy fires upon a peace officer = attempted murder of a police officer, the presumption is that the officer draws and fires and whatever happens, happens.


43 posted on 08/15/2010 10:16:24 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder ("No longer can we make no mistake for too long". Barack d****it 0bama, 2009, 2010, 2011.)
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