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How to Buy a Used Car
The Art of Manliness ^ | April 11, 2010 | Brett

Posted on 04/25/2010 5:05:13 AM PDT by GonzoII

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How to Buy a Used Car

Posted By Brett On April 11, 2010 @ 11:53 pm In Manly Skills | 57 Comments

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Last year, my wife and I were eating dinner when we suddenly heard a crash outside. We ran out the door and saw that someone had smashed into our car, which had been parked on the street. The lady driving the other car was drunk and driving on the wrong side of the road. The lush and her car were completely unscathed, but our car was totaled. Doesn’t it always seem to work out that way?

Kate and I had to buy a new car.

Well, new to us. We ended up buying a used car. Now, this was the first time I had ever had to buy a car without help from my parents, so I was sort of clueless about the process. This was my first big, adult purchase. From doing some research on the web and talking to friends and family, here’s a list of tips and advice I took away from the experience.

Benefits of Buying a Used Car

Avoiding depreciation. It’s common knowledge that once a new car drives off the lot, its value depreciates immediately. In the first two years of ownership, a new car can lose about 30% of its original value. And if you decide to sell your new car a few years after you buy it, you’re going to lose a lot more money in the re-sale than if you had bought it used.

Price. If depreciation is your enemy when buying new, it’s definitely your best bud when buying used. There isn’t much difference between a brand new car and a two year old car. By buying a car brand new, you’re basically paying 30% more than you need to. That’s a big mark-up for that new car smell.

You can save even more money if you decide to buy older cars that have more miles on them. A buddy of mine back in college bought an ‘86 Honda Accord hatchback for a couple hundred dollars. It was super ugly, but it drove just fine and lasted him a few years.

Bigger selection. Because used cars are cheaper than brand new cars, you effectively widen the selection of cars you can purchase. Instead of being merely a dream, luxury and sports cars enter the realm of possibility. I remember back in high school when my dad and I were shopping around for a car, I found a late model (this was back in the 90s) Mercedes Benz for about $5,000. I couldn’t believe it!. Something had to be wrong with it. So, we took it for a test drive and to a mechanic. It was in tip top shape and drove like a dream. I ended up not buying the Benz. I was too punk rock for that. Instead I went with a 1992 Smurf Blue Chevy Cavalier. Now that’s punk rock. However, the experience did open my eyes to the fact that if you look hard enough, you can find some awesome cars for super cheap when you buy used.

Save money on insurance. If you buy a considerably older used car, you can save money on car insurance by only getting the state mandated minimum coverage. If your car is worth less than 10 times the premium on your insurance, it’s probably not worth getting comprehensive coverage.

Buy from a Private Owner or a Dealership?

When you buy a used car, you have two possible sellers: a private owner or a dealership. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.

Owner Advantages

  • Great deals. When you buy from a person who put an ad in the paper or on Autotrader.com, you can often find some really good deals. The best deals I’ve seen are at estate sales. You can find an older car with low mileage because the little old lady who owned the car only drove it to church and the grocery store. The car might smell like mothballs, but you’ll enjoy the sweet scent of saved cash.
  • Less intimidating negotiations. Negotiations can also be less intimidating because you’re working with an average Joe and not some highly trained salesman who has to take your offer to a mysterious backroom boss to get it approved. Moreover, dealerships often try to throw in unneeded extras when you’re buying from them- extra floor mats, XM Radio, etc. When you buy from an owner, they’re just selling you the car and nothing more. Makes the experience less irritating and cheaper.

Owner Disadvantages

  • Complicated and annoying negotiations. Owners tend to be more attached to their cars than dealerships. To them, they’re not just selling a product, they’re selling a memory. These sorts of owners can be difficult to work with. They’ll bust your balls in negotiation over a piece of crap Buick simply because it was their grandfather’s beloved car, and they hate to see it get in the hands of the “wrong person.”
  • No consumer protections. Private sales aren’t generally covered by many states’ implied warranty laws. Implied warranties are unspoken and unwritten warranties that hold sellers responsible if the product they sold doesn’t meet reasonable quality standards. When you buy from an owner, you’re buying the car “as is,” meaning if the car has a problem (known or unknown by the seller) once you buy the car, it becomes your problem and the seller doesn’t have to do anything to fix it. Moreover, private sales generally aren’t covered by the FTC Used Car Rule which requires dealers to post a Buyer’s Guide in used cars for sale.

Dealership Advantages

  • Certified Pre-Owned Program. A CPO vehicle undergoes rigorous mechanical and cosmetic inspection before it’s put on sale. Moreover, CPO cars are often covered by a warranty beyond the original factory warranty which includes items like roadside assistance. Buying a CPO vehicle can give you the piece of mind that the car you’re buying is in great condition and not a piece of crap. Even if you don’t buy a certified pre-owned car, when you buy from a dealer, you’re likely protected by your state’s consumer protection laws such as implied warranties or warranties of merchantability.
  • Extra services. Dealers will often throw in extra services for free that a private seller can’t. For example, when Kate and I bought our last car, before we drove it off the lot, the dealer cleaned and detailed it, performed a free oil change, and gave us a discount on our first service visit with them.
  • Trade-ins. Dealers also take trade-ins which lowers the amount you have to pay in cash. Personal finance guru Dave Ramsey has a system set up that uses trade-ins on used cars to allow him to upgrade his vehicles every year or two without having to take out a loan on his car. Check it out [3]. It’s pretty brilliant, if you ask me.
  • Better negotiation experience (possibly). The negotiation experience can be a bit more even keeled with dealerships. It’s just a business transaction for them. You can avoid some of the emotional baggage you often find when negotiating with owners.
  • Financing. If you don’t have all the scratch on hand to buy a car, a dealership can often provide financing to help you make the purchase. And with the crum-dum economy, car manufacturers and dealerships are providing some pretty good deals if you decide to finance a car. Things like cash-back or zero interest can make financing a car a reasonable thing to do.

Dealership Disadvantages

  • Higher list prices. List prices at dealerships tend to be more expensive than when buying from an owner. However, you can usually negotiate this down easily.
  • High-pressure negotiation. Negotiation with car salesman can be more high-pressured than when buying from owners. Selling is what these guys do for a living. They know every trick in the book and will unleash them on you without hesitation. When you step foot on the dealer’s lot, gird up your loins, and prepare to play hardball.
  • Up-sales. Dealers will try to up-sale you until your eyes bleed. They’ll tell you that you need to add the extended warranty or that you need the new stereo. If you’re not careful, you can drive out with a car that cost you $1,000 more than the original value simply because you let the add-ons creep in. However, you can turn the up-sale to your advantage by simply using it as leverages in negotiating. If the salesman presses for an extended bumper to bumper warranty, tell him you’ll take it only if he lowers the price of the car a few hundred dollars.
  • Financing. Financing is both an advantage and disadvantage. When you finance a car, you can end up paying thousands of dollars more for your car than if you had paid in cash. Dealers that finance to buyers directly want this extra cash, so they’ll often pressure car buyers to finance their new car. Save your money. Pay in cash.

Blue Book It!

When you’ve decided on the type of car you want, start researching its value using the available tools online. It’s essential that you know how much a car is worth when you start negotiating.

Kelley Blue Book. [4] Since 1926, Kelley Blue Book has been providing used car prices in their trademarked blue book.

Edmunds.com [5] Edmunds.com will not only give you the manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) for a vehicle, they’ll also check what others have paid for that particular car and give you an almost real time market price for it.

How to Inspect a Used Car

Alright. So you’ve picked out a car you like that’s in your price range. Before you make an offer, you need to inspect it to ensure you’re not buying a lemon. This is especially important if you’re buying directly from the owner. Your best bet is to take the car to a mechanic you trust and let him look it over for any defects. If you don’t have a mechanic handy, here’s how you can inspect a used car.

CarFax. Get one. CarFax is a comprehensive report of a vehicle’s history. The report costs money to buy, but it’s definitely worth it. The report can tell you if the car has sustained flood or frame damage, two things you want to steer clear of when purchasing a used car. All you need to run a CarFax report is the car’s vehicle identification number (VIN) which can be found on the dashboard, just below the windshield on the driver’s side or on the driver’s side door, just below the locking mechanism.

Initial Inspection

Before you start the car, give it this initial inspection:

  • Look underneath the car for rust. A car with a rusted frame isn’t structurally sound. While a rusted frame can be salvaged, it can be expensive and time consuming. Choose another car.
  • Check the tires and wheels. Look for even tire wear. Uneven wear in the front could mean the wheels or suspension are out of alignment.
  • Inspect the exterior. Look for recent paint jobs as this may indicate body damage. You can sometimes detect paint jobs by finding over-spray on the rubber window molding. Tap along repainted areas and listen for a change in tone that reveals patchwork.
  • Check the interior. You don’t want a car that’s been torn to shreds on the inside. When inspecting the interior, check the odometer. If the car says it has low miles, but the wear and tear on the inside looks like it’s been to hell and back, something might be up.
  • Look under the hood. If you see rounded or stripped nuts and bolt heads, it could be an indication of shoddy repair work. While you’re under there, check the spark plugs to see if they’re newer than the rest of the engine. If they are, that’s a sign the car has undergone regular maintenance and tune-up. That’s a good thing.
  • Kick a tire. Just for the hell of it.

Test Drive

  • Drive it cold. A cold engine will tell you a lot more then a warm one will.
  • Plan your route. You want your test drive route to be similar to your daily driving experience. Sure the car might drive nice on neighborhood streets, but how does she feel on the expressway? Mix up your route with freeways, city streets, rural roads, and parking lots.
  • Turn the key. Does the car start easily? Does the engine make any funny noises while turning? Do you have to turn the key a lot to get the car started?
  • Check controls. Test the wiper, lights, radio, and air conditioner controllers. There shouldn’t be any noticeable drop in engine performance when you turn on the A/C.
  • Check the transmission. If the car is an automatic transmission, it shouldn’t make any loud clunking noises or hesitate when you switch gears. A manual transmission should shift smoothly. If you hear any grinding noise when shifting it could mean the synchronizers are bad. Also, check the clutch of a manual transmission by going slowly uphill in a higher than normal gear, like 3rd or 4th gear. If the clutch is good, the RPM will decrease and nearly stall. If the clutch is bad, the engine will rev but won’t go anywhere.
  • Check the brakes. Find a road without any traffic and accelerate to about 50 mph. Hit the brakes hard. If the car pulls to the right or left, it may mean you have a loose brake caliper or there’s not enough hydraulic fluid on the side it’s pulling to. Also, if you feel a shuddering when you brake, it could mean the brakes are warped. The brake pedal should also feel firm when you press down on it. If the brake sinks all the way to the floor, you may need to replace the master cylinder.
  • Check the alignment. While driving, take your hands off the steering wheel for a moment and see if the car pulls in one direction. If it does, you might have some front-end alignment problems.
  • Check for smoke. You’ll need a buddy for this test. While driving full speed, take your foot off the accelerator completely for a few seconds, and then floor it again. If you see a blue cloud of smoke, it means oil is burning and the car has internal engine problems that may require an engine overhaul.
  • Take the car over a bumpy road. Check out how the car responds to the bumps. If you feel the bumps a lot, the shocks are probably worn.
  • Listen. If you hear rattles, groans, and clunks, that’s a problem. Sure, the ailment might be repairable, but why waste your time or money?

Negotiating

We could devote an entire post to this, so that’s what we’ll do. Look forward to a future article on negotiating when buying a car.

Alright, I know I missed some advice here. That’s where you guys come in. What other used car buying tips do you have? What should guys know when buying a used car? Share your advice in the comments.


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1 posted on 04/25/2010 5:05:13 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
Also you can buy a used car from someone you know who purchased it new. If you know the person well enough you can get an idea on the condition of the car.
2 posted on 04/25/2010 5:14:34 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

Pretty straight forward stuff. I would add one. Don’t drive a used car at night for your test drive. You will miss all kinds of useful information like leaks, scratches and other not nice things.


3 posted on 04/25/2010 5:14:45 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: GonzoII
A CPO vehicle undergoes rigorous mechanical and cosmetic inspection before it’s put on sale.

At most used car superstores, these do not mean squat. It is just a marketing gimmick to get you to buy what might potentially be a heap of crap.

Dealers also take trade-ins which lowers the amount you have to pay in cash.

Debatable. A dealer will "give" you the absolute lowest amount possible for a trade in and will most certainly make up for it by raising the cash price of the car you buy.

... a dealership can often provide financing to help you make the purchase.

BAD BAD MOVE. If you are going to finance a car you should NEVER walk into a dealership without at least one competing financing mechanism. A lot of times banks will provide websites where you can print out a "blank check" for a car loan up to a certain amount of money. Even if you don't use it to finance the car, you can still use it to negotiate a lower interest rate out of the dealer's financing.

List prices at dealerships tend to be more expensive than when buying from an owner.

This tends to be more true of used car superstores... so much so that you might as well pay a little more and get a new car.

4 posted on 04/25/2010 5:16:35 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: GonzoII

Play hardball. Don’t be afraid to get up and leave. Visit several dealers. Get inspections.

I like the old “if you can match this (very low ball price) then we may have a deal”

And watch out for dealer add-ons.


5 posted on 04/25/2010 5:16:53 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GonzoII
There is a used car dealer around here that pulls out the KBB quote and says, "It's right at the KBB price." He pulls out the Carfax pages and the dealer maintenance logs.

He offers not one day of warranty. As soon as the wheels hit the street you own it. Part of the KBB dealer price includes some sort of warranty.

How does one figure out what that's worth. I e-mailed KBB and pretty much got a canned response.

6 posted on 04/25/2010 5:18:45 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: GonzoII

I would never buy a car from someone I knew, even if I knew the car was in perfect condition and understood it’s history. There is the chance that if and when something did happen, engine, transmission..etc there would always be that connection. Not that you would use it, but they might draw back from the relationship a bit because of it. I value my relationships more than cars. I’ve seen it happen too.


7 posted on 04/25/2010 5:23:46 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty in the coming year)
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To: GonzoII
Oct ‘09, I bought a used Honda CRV to use as my mail delivery vehicle. I loved it, and I can't say that about too many cars I've used in 23 years. AWD, narrow width that I could comfortably span. A man disregarded a yield sign and Tboned me and just wiped the front off of the vehicle 90 days later. I cried harder for the vehicle than my injury(I got over that, and the injury is still haranguing me).

I knew I wanted a CRV under 8 thou with AWD and ABS. I went to the Honda website that lists all dealers. Through that I went to about 70 dealers within 200 miles of me and found about 10 cars that fit the bill. Narrowed it down to 3. Called the dealers. Narrowed it down to 2 almost identical cars. One was 100 miles further away. Called the guy in Chicago and said “Can you make it worth my while to drive to Chicago instead of Ky?” He took 800 off and I went to Chicago. The online search took about 4-5 hours. The decision about 3 days. Definitely the way to go if you know exactly what you want. I am now helping others who aren't so comp savvy learn the ropes.

8 posted on 04/25/2010 5:32:58 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty in the coming year)
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To: GonzoII

Make sure there is a jack and it’s in good working order... also make sure you can reach the spare without difficulty.


9 posted on 04/25/2010 5:33:22 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: raybbr

I offer them the KBB trade in value not the dealer suggested retail. They never give anyone a fair trade in so they are making plenty of money anyway.


10 posted on 04/25/2010 5:38:42 AM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: GonzoII
I recommend using a highly reputable non-dealer specialist to examine the car you are looking at carefully (for BMW's in Atlanta, for example, I used Buckhead Motor Works in Sandy Springs).

This was several years ago, but the mechanic walked me through his report and explained all his conclusions with great care.

And BTW, the car I bought never had a speck of trouble in 200,000 miles. My only expenses were for standard periodic maintenance.

11 posted on 04/25/2010 5:38:56 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: theDentist

Good info, make sure every control works in the car, the trunk lever, the spare, the jack. Test heat AND AC. Open the windows and listen for rattles and brake squeak.


12 posted on 04/25/2010 5:39:48 AM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: grame
That sounds like good work and good info.

You'd still have to give it that final "live" look-over...

13 posted on 04/25/2010 5:41:28 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: omega4179

Thanks for the reply. That’s a good idea.


14 posted on 04/25/2010 5:45:52 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: GonzoII

Also, you can do your research (online and with actual mechanics) and find the exact model and year of “perfect” cars, usually a few years after a model’s introduction when they are totally debugged.

We bought a 2000 Nissan Maxima this way. Every mechanic gets starry eyed when they see it. It has only 65,000 miles on it and runs like a bat out of hell. It’s perfect. On the highway it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a “family car” that drives like a sports car. And it didn’t cost much, and costs nothing to maintain. (We always buy our used cars with cash.)


15 posted on 04/25/2010 5:46:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: GonzoII

yes and we did. And it was as advertised. It had a few small bugs in the beginning, but it is 10 years old. Nothing major. and the dealer in Chicago was a large, well established one. So I figured if I squealed loud enough if there was a problem, they’d fix it.

Funny part was the finance guy with whom you finalize the sale(we paid with CC from our bank) looked like a total mob guy from a gangster movie. Slicked back hair, big guy with a voice to match and couldn’t believe we didn’t have toll roads in Ind south of the one that goes across the top of the state. Sounded like he’d never been out of Chicago city limits. We laughed, and watched our backs!


16 posted on 04/25/2010 5:49:05 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty in the coming year)
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To: GonzoII
I used to think that way (that buying a used car was better) but I've changed my tune. If you are going to drive a car for a long time and keep it in the family, buying new might actually be more cost effective.

We bought used cars all through the 1980s and 1990s. In 1998 I got a new Nissan Altima and in 1999, we got a new Nissan Quest. Over 10 years later, both cars are still on the road. In 2006, I bought another new Altima (for myself) and sold the '98 Altima to my eldest son for a token amount to be his first car. Today, the '98 Altima still drives great and it's about to get passed down to my younger son for his first car. Meanwhile, I'll sell my 2006 Altima to my younger son where is has at least six more good years in it. As for the Quest, my wife still drives it today and she's on her eighth year without a car payment.

Because all the cars were bought new, we were allowed to maintain them ourselves and take them to their maximum lifespan. With the cost of the cars (when they were bought new) spread over the 10+ years we've been owning them, the cost per year is the same or less than if we continued buying used every few years.

17 posted on 04/25/2010 5:55:26 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 117 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
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To: grame

Awesome car. I work with a guy that drives a CRV, and his borrowed RCA drives one also. The rest of us drive Explorers. I wouldn’t mind a CRV myself, but I’ve already gotten a second Explorer as backup.

There’s a guy in our town that will by two or three cars at a time to resale. He only makes $500 per sale, non-negotiable, no financing, no nothing. As-is. Period. I bought the second explorer with a known bad transmission, replaced the tranny, and now have a great quality car for less than $4K (paid cash), with LOTS of life left in it. This is my backup delivery car. My main mail Explorer has 220K mileage and 5 years on the route. It won’t die. I bought it for $3K, Eddie Bauer edition with 130K miles.


18 posted on 04/25/2010 6:00:20 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: GonzoII

Here’s another point on inspecting the body of a car: body panels do not - repeat not - come misaligned from the factory. If the gaps between the fenders and the doors, hood, or trunk deck are not straight, the car was hit. If the guy says it was not hit, he is lying or stupid, mostly lying.


19 posted on 04/25/2010 6:01:05 AM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: GonzoII
My credit union promotes “CARFACTS” and has a retired Enterprise vehicle in the lot each week.I have looked at a few and they appear to be a good way to go when thinking “pre-owned(pc)”
20 posted on 04/25/2010 6:03:25 AM PDT by t1b8zs
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To: GonzoII
Owner Disadvantages •Complicated and annoying negotiations. Owners tend to be more attached to their cars than dealerships. To them, they’re not just selling a product, they’re selling a memory. These sorts of owners can be difficult to work with. They’ll bust your balls in negotiation over a piece of crap Buick simply because it was their grandfather’s beloved car, and they hate to see it get in the hands of the “wrong person.”

Isn't THAT the truth!?

21 posted on 04/25/2010 6:12:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: GonzoII
OK, here's my advice.

I sold cars for several years. I didn't do too badly, was salesman of the year my first year. Worked at major dealerships in my area but then my life changed and I did other things. So, for whatever it's worth, here's a little advice. Also, everything I am saying here is general. There are always exceptions, but generally, this advice is pretty good.

On used: If you are buying a cheap $2000. or less car, look for a private owner. You will find so much more car for that price than at a dealer. It's possible you can find a good car at a dealer for that price, don't count on it. Seldom if ever buy from small little used car shops. They are not evil or anything, but they are making their living selling those cars. They get them either from an auction or from the community and then turn and sell them at much higher prices. Dealerships will also sell their cheap trades to those little dealerships. If you see a major dealership and there is a little used car dealer across the road, he may be getting his cars from the major dealer across the street (off of trades). So, look first, and be patient, but look first in your community. Have cash. Chances are good if some individual is selling his or her car, they need the money. If you find it and know you want it, pull out cash and don't be afraid to offer less than they ask. Cash in hand is worth so much more than a check or a promise from a stranger.

On New: Ok, I when I was selling cars I found a consumer reports video on "how to buy a car." It was laughable. There was all this emphasis on being firm and tough.

Look, people are people. Most salesmen are just like you. They want to make a living, have families and are just trying to support those families like you are. Don't go in with this attitude. When I sold cars I had customers that refused to shake my hand or be polite. They tried to treat me like a dog. How hard do you think I wanted to work for them? The owner of my business had his business paid for, He was a rich man and was a strong Republican in the community. He hated those kind of people as well. If you want to get a good deal, sure, you can be firm, but play polite and nice. A salesman will go to the ends of the earth for a customer he likes. You don't have to lay down and be a doormat, that's not what I mean here, just be respectful and treat the man or woman like a human being. Be pleasant. Shake their hand. Stay to your word. You don't like it when sales people play games, sales people don't like it when customers play games either.

Also, here is the thing,, if you find a good sales person and you keep a good relationship with that person, down the road when you want a $2000. car, he will keep you in mind when one comes in. Instead of sending that trade across the street, he'll remember you and give you a call and sell it to you at a good price. Hundreds less than if you had bought it across the street at that little used car shop.

So, for whatever it's worth, there is my little advice. There are some scumbags sales people out there. Follow you gut. I hope that helps.

Oh, the last thing I will say is this, sometimes the salesman really does not know what price he can sell that car for unless he has already had another customer on it. Managers can keep that info from the salesman. There is no harm in asking to talk to the manager directly. He will still have a salesman help you. Also, trust me, the salesman wants to sell you that car as much as you want to buy it. But he has to eat, pay his bills just like you do. New cars do not bring in high profits, unless they are higher line models. We would only get $75. per new car regardless of what price we sold it for. The money was in the $2000. cars and up. That's where you made your money. A $10,000. used car was where all the profits were. Why, because that is the range where owners generally do not sell. Most owners are selling older cheaper cars. (Like $1000-2000.) So, most cars in that price range are only available at Dealerships.

22 posted on 04/25/2010 6:19:32 AM PDT by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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To: GonzoII

Make sure the car has all its windows. If the guy has the window down to get “fresh air” in the car and he won’t roll it up, I wouldn’t buy it. Also make sure all the doors open and close. If there’s ever a fire and you can’t get out of the car, you could be in trouble. Make sure the guy gives you all the keys. He may just come and “borrow” it while you’re at work. Check for gum under the seat.


23 posted on 04/25/2010 6:28:48 AM PDT by Krankor (nO)
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To: freemike

KBB prices are notoriusly high. Edmunds is closer to the mark, but still a little high.


24 posted on 04/25/2010 6:31:49 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: sig226

sig226 wrote: “ If the gaps between the fenders and the doors, hood, or trunk deck are not straight, the car was hit.”

Yes this is a good point. Carfax is good but doesn’t show everything. This site has some good tips about why collision damage is bad and how to detect it.

http://www.samarins.com/check/bodycond.html


25 posted on 04/25/2010 6:34:46 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Check his scorecard carefully, he's been known to cheat.)
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To: GonzoII
Useful topic. Good job.
26 posted on 04/25/2010 6:38:19 AM PDT by McGruff (So how is that Hopey Changey thingy working out for ya America?)
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To: GonzoII

I have been buying used cars, private sale, in the $1000.00-$1500.00 range. With a couple of younger drivers, this has worked out best, and the two vehicles which were wrecked (other driver failed to yield, low speed <35mph, no injuries, but total loss due to the low price of the vehicle), the insurance company checks replaced the vehicles with others of comparable value.

It is easier to do where we do not have annual emissions inspections, and there is no salt used here on the roads in winter. The cash price of the vehicle is too low to warrant full coverage, and if we get a couple of years out of them (or sometimes more), we have done just fine. If really expensive repairs are needed, the vehicle is usually just removed from service and replaced.


27 posted on 04/25/2010 6:42:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot
You have to remember about these car buying guides. They are just guides. People would come into our dealerships armed with the Kelley Blue book or something and demand to buy car A for the price in the book. Or demand they get their trade in for what the book says.

It's a guide. That is all. I forget the truck at the time, I think it was a duel axle truck or something ( I wasn't a truck guy, I only sold cars) anyway, We got one of those trucks one day and people were coming in with their Kelley blue book. That was nice and all, but you couldn't buy that truck in our area for what the Kelley said. We sold it fast for what it was worth, way higher than Kelley. So remember that.

Oh, something else, you shouldn't trade either. It is better to sell your old car outright than to trade it in. I always sell our used cars (well, except one time, I traded). If you sell your old car you will get more real money for it than if you take it to a dealer and trade it. But some people don't want that hassle.

28 posted on 04/25/2010 6:47:26 AM PDT by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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To: GonzoII

Bump for reference.


29 posted on 04/25/2010 6:48:28 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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ping for later!


30 posted on 04/25/2010 6:58:37 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Big Giant Head

Used is the only way to go really. All the big defects have been detected and fallen out of the mix. I have drive a GM360 engine mostly, Olds Cutlass. We laugh at work, in my small office there are 4 Cutlass’. And we are always watching out for old ladies driving them. but I’m getting old and the winters are getting harder. We had always been under the assumption that 4WD was a gas hog and since we had a large family and a lot of shuttling we just avoided it and I got along.

But I only had to drive this AWD once in a heavy snow and I was bit. I was like a 12 yr old with a new snowmobile. 3 weeks later it was toast. I was so, so sad.

But God’s hand protected me, and inspite of no seat belt, a 45-50 mph hit on the passenger side where I was sitting, I stayed right where I was. I will have a bum leg for the rest of my years probably, but I got a lot of bum parts, it will have to get in line.

My new one has 100 thou, AWD,ABS and cost me 6300. But most importantly is the NON wide span from the wheel to window. and of late I can get all my dps and bundles up front with me. I took the nitrogen out of the tires as there is no where here to fill them.


31 posted on 04/25/2010 7:14:10 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty in the coming year)
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To: GonzoII

“you can buy a used car from someone you know who purchased it new. If you know the person well enough you can get an idea on the condition of the car.”

NEVER, EVER sell a used car to someone you know, because you are going to have to live with whatever happens to it.

If the transmission goes out 4 months after they buy it from you, guess what happens.

They come to you for the money to fix it, or hold hard feelings against you for selling them a piece of junk. If you like keeping friends, never do this.


32 posted on 04/25/2010 8:07:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: GonzoII

When you pop the hood, check the hood. If the original insulation is missing from the hood, better ask why. Also, check for grass and weeds stuck up in the undersides of the vehicle, or broken/mended pipes. Turn on the headlights and make sure they are aligned and not one of them shining up in the tree tops and the other being cross-eyed.


33 posted on 04/25/2010 8:41:29 AM PDT by CH3CN
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To: grame
I took the nitrogen out of the tires as there is no where here to fill them.

WHOA! Don't ever let your altitude go up into the flight levels, those tires filled with plain air might burst into flames. Nitrogen? Seriously?

34 posted on 04/25/2010 9:41:13 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Big Giant Head
Yep, they come that way. Supposedly it doesn’t leak as quickly as reg air. But when you check them at least every 4-6 weeks anyway it isn’t an issue. And it costs 10 bucks per tire to fill them up. You can top them off with air if needed, but then they need dumped and refilled with nitrogen. And the Quik Lube won’t touch them. Maybe in a big city it would be ok, but in rural Indiana, not too many people even heard of it.
35 posted on 04/25/2010 10:09:56 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty in the coming year)
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To: tcrlaf

AMEN!


36 posted on 04/25/2010 10:13:49 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty in the coming year)
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To: 2banana
Play hardball. Don’t be afraid to get up and leave. Visit several dealers. Get inspections. I like the old “if you can match this (very low ball price) then we may have a deal” And watch out for dealer add-ons.

Back in the mid-eighties I wanted to trade my mini-truck in for a sedan.

I liked one of the current Oldmobiles and GM had some really attractive financing at the time, so I went in to the dealer and said that if they would match the price on a unit available at another dealer (but wrong color), give me the "good condition" blue book price on my trade, and get me the advertised financing, they had a deal.

So they get my particulars to run my credit, and it turns out the deal doesn't apply to first time buyers (I'd never paid on time before for a car). Then they tell my my trade is a piece of trash and want to give me next to nothing for it. The guy informs me of all this while shoving a contract and a pen at me like I'm still going to sign it! So I get up to walk out of the guy's office, and he leans so he's partially between me and the door! I told him he better move his fat ass or he'd be searching three counties for pieces of it. He moved. So then I'm at work the next day and they call me, using the work information I gave them so they could do CREDIT! They improved their offer slightly but nowhere near what I had already told them was my bottom line.

Needless to say, I never walked into THAT dealership again.

37 posted on 04/25/2010 11:15:53 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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