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How to Buy a Used Car
Posted By Brett On April 11, 2010 @ 11:53 pm In Manly Skills | 57 Comments


Last year, my wife and I were eating dinner when we suddenly heard a crash outside. We ran out the door and saw that someone had smashed into our car, which had been parked on the street. The lady driving the other car was drunk and driving on the wrong side of the road. The lush and her car were completely unscathed, but our car was totaled. Doesn’t it always seem to work out that way?
Kate and I had to buy a new car.
Well, new to us. We ended up buying a used car. Now, this was the first time I had ever had to buy a car without help from my parents, so I was sort of clueless about the process. This was my first big, adult purchase. From doing some research on the web and talking to friends and family, here’s a list of tips and advice I took away from the experience.
Avoiding depreciation. It’s common knowledge that once a new car drives off the lot, its value depreciates immediately. In the first two years of ownership, a new car can lose about 30% of its original value. And if you decide to sell your new car a few years after you buy it, you’re going to lose a lot more money in the re-sale than if you had bought it used.
Price. If depreciation is your enemy when buying new, it’s definitely your best bud when buying used. There isn’t much difference between a brand new car and a two year old car. By buying a car brand new, you’re basically paying 30% more than you need to. That’s a big mark-up for that new car smell.
You can save even more money if you decide to buy older cars that have more miles on them. A buddy of mine back in college bought an ‘86 Honda Accord hatchback for a couple hundred dollars. It was super ugly, but it drove just fine and lasted him a few years.
Bigger selection. Because used cars are cheaper than brand new cars, you effectively widen the selection of cars you can purchase. Instead of being merely a dream, luxury and sports cars enter the realm of possibility. I remember back in high school when my dad and I were shopping around for a car, I found a late model (this was back in the 90s) Mercedes Benz for about $5,000. I couldn’t believe it!. Something had to be wrong with it. So, we took it for a test drive and to a mechanic. It was in tip top shape and drove like a dream. I ended up not buying the Benz. I was too punk rock for that. Instead I went with a 1992 Smurf Blue Chevy Cavalier. Now that’s punk rock. However, the experience did open my eyes to the fact that if you look hard enough, you can find some awesome cars for super cheap when you buy used.
Save money on insurance. If you buy a considerably older used car, you can save money on car insurance by only getting the state mandated minimum coverage. If your car is worth less than 10 times the premium on your insurance, it’s probably not worth getting comprehensive coverage.
When you buy a used car, you have two possible sellers: a private owner or a dealership. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.
Owner Advantages
Owner Disadvantages
Dealership Advantages
Dealership Disadvantages
When you’ve decided on the type of car you want, start researching its value using the available tools online. It’s essential that you know how much a car is worth when you start negotiating.
Kelley Blue Book. [4] Since 1926, Kelley Blue Book has been providing used car prices in their trademarked blue book.
Edmunds.com [5] Edmunds.com will not only give you the manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) for a vehicle, they’ll also check what others have paid for that particular car and give you an almost real time market price for it.
Alright. So you’ve picked out a car you like that’s in your price range. Before you make an offer, you need to inspect it to ensure you’re not buying a lemon. This is especially important if you’re buying directly from the owner. Your best bet is to take the car to a mechanic you trust and let him look it over for any defects. If you don’t have a mechanic handy, here’s how you can inspect a used car.
CarFax. Get one. CarFax is a comprehensive report of a vehicle’s history. The report costs money to buy, but it’s definitely worth it. The report can tell you if the car has sustained flood or frame damage, two things you want to steer clear of when purchasing a used car. All you need to run a CarFax report is the car’s vehicle identification number (VIN) which can be found on the dashboard, just below the windshield on the driver’s side or on the driver’s side door, just below the locking mechanism.
Initial Inspection
Before you start the car, give it this initial inspection:
Test Drive
We could devote an entire post to this, so that’s what we’ll do. Look forward to a future article on negotiating when buying a car.
Alright, I know I missed some advice here. That’s where you guys come in. What other used car buying tips do you have? What should guys know when buying a used car? Share your advice in the comments.
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Pretty straight forward stuff. I would add one. Don’t drive a used car at night for your test drive. You will miss all kinds of useful information like leaks, scratches and other not nice things.
At most used car superstores, these do not mean squat. It is just a marketing gimmick to get you to buy what might potentially be a heap of crap.
Dealers also take trade-ins which lowers the amount you have to pay in cash.
Debatable. A dealer will "give" you the absolute lowest amount possible for a trade in and will most certainly make up for it by raising the cash price of the car you buy.
... a dealership can often provide financing to help you make the purchase.
BAD BAD MOVE. If you are going to finance a car you should NEVER walk into a dealership without at least one competing financing mechanism. A lot of times banks will provide websites where you can print out a "blank check" for a car loan up to a certain amount of money. Even if you don't use it to finance the car, you can still use it to negotiate a lower interest rate out of the dealer's financing.
List prices at dealerships tend to be more expensive than when buying from an owner.
This tends to be more true of used car superstores... so much so that you might as well pay a little more and get a new car.
Play hardball. Don’t be afraid to get up and leave. Visit several dealers. Get inspections.
I like the old “if you can match this (very low ball price) then we may have a deal”
And watch out for dealer add-ons.
He offers not one day of warranty. As soon as the wheels hit the street you own it. Part of the KBB dealer price includes some sort of warranty.
How does one figure out what that's worth. I e-mailed KBB and pretty much got a canned response.
I would never buy a car from someone I knew, even if I knew the car was in perfect condition and understood it’s history. There is the chance that if and when something did happen, engine, transmission..etc there would always be that connection. Not that you would use it, but they might draw back from the relationship a bit because of it. I value my relationships more than cars. I’ve seen it happen too.
I knew I wanted a CRV under 8 thou with AWD and ABS. I went to the Honda website that lists all dealers. Through that I went to about 70 dealers within 200 miles of me and found about 10 cars that fit the bill. Narrowed it down to 3. Called the dealers. Narrowed it down to 2 almost identical cars. One was 100 miles further away. Called the guy in Chicago and said “Can you make it worth my while to drive to Chicago instead of Ky?” He took 800 off and I went to Chicago. The online search took about 4-5 hours. The decision about 3 days. Definitely the way to go if you know exactly what you want. I am now helping others who aren't so comp savvy learn the ropes.
Make sure there is a jack and it’s in good working order... also make sure you can reach the spare without difficulty.
I offer them the KBB trade in value not the dealer suggested retail. They never give anyone a fair trade in so they are making plenty of money anyway.
This was several years ago, but the mechanic walked me through his report and explained all his conclusions with great care.
And BTW, the car I bought never had a speck of trouble in 200,000 miles. My only expenses were for standard periodic maintenance.
Good info, make sure every control works in the car, the trunk lever, the spare, the jack. Test heat AND AC. Open the windows and listen for rattles and brake squeak.
You'd still have to give it that final "live" look-over...
Thanks for the reply. That’s a good idea.
Also, you can do your research (online and with actual mechanics) and find the exact model and year of “perfect” cars, usually a few years after a model’s introduction when they are totally debugged.
We bought a 2000 Nissan Maxima this way. Every mechanic gets starry eyed when they see it. It has only 65,000 miles on it and runs like a bat out of hell. It’s perfect. On the highway it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a “family car” that drives like a sports car. And it didn’t cost much, and costs nothing to maintain. (We always buy our used cars with cash.)
yes and we did. And it was as advertised. It had a few small bugs in the beginning, but it is 10 years old. Nothing major. and the dealer in Chicago was a large, well established one. So I figured if I squealed loud enough if there was a problem, they’d fix it.
Funny part was the finance guy with whom you finalize the sale(we paid with CC from our bank) looked like a total mob guy from a gangster movie. Slicked back hair, big guy with a voice to match and couldn’t believe we didn’t have toll roads in Ind south of the one that goes across the top of the state. Sounded like he’d never been out of Chicago city limits. We laughed, and watched our backs!
We bought used cars all through the 1980s and 1990s. In 1998 I got a new Nissan Altima and in 1999, we got a new Nissan Quest. Over 10 years later, both cars are still on the road. In 2006, I bought another new Altima (for myself) and sold the '98 Altima to my eldest son for a token amount to be his first car. Today, the '98 Altima still drives great and it's about to get passed down to my younger son for his first car. Meanwhile, I'll sell my 2006 Altima to my younger son where is has at least six more good years in it. As for the Quest, my wife still drives it today and she's on her eighth year without a car payment.
Because all the cars were bought new, we were allowed to maintain them ourselves and take them to their maximum lifespan. With the cost of the cars (when they were bought new) spread over the 10+ years we've been owning them, the cost per year is the same or less than if we continued buying used every few years.
Awesome car. I work with a guy that drives a CRV, and his borrowed RCA drives one also. The rest of us drive Explorers. I wouldn’t mind a CRV myself, but I’ve already gotten a second Explorer as backup.
There’s a guy in our town that will by two or three cars at a time to resale. He only makes $500 per sale, non-negotiable, no financing, no nothing. As-is. Period. I bought the second explorer with a known bad transmission, replaced the tranny, and now have a great quality car for less than $4K (paid cash), with LOTS of life left in it. This is my backup delivery car. My main mail Explorer has 220K mileage and 5 years on the route. It won’t die. I bought it for $3K, Eddie Bauer edition with 130K miles.
Here’s another point on inspecting the body of a car: body panels do not - repeat not - come misaligned from the factory. If the gaps between the fenders and the doors, hood, or trunk deck are not straight, the car was hit. If the guy says it was not hit, he is lying or stupid, mostly lying.
Isn't THAT the truth!?
I sold cars for several years. I didn't do too badly, was salesman of the year my first year. Worked at major dealerships in my area but then my life changed and I did other things. So, for whatever it's worth, here's a little advice. Also, everything I am saying here is general. There are always exceptions, but generally, this advice is pretty good.
On used: If you are buying a cheap $2000. or less car, look for a private owner. You will find so much more car for that price than at a dealer. It's possible you can find a good car at a dealer for that price, don't count on it. Seldom if ever buy from small little used car shops. They are not evil or anything, but they are making their living selling those cars. They get them either from an auction or from the community and then turn and sell them at much higher prices. Dealerships will also sell their cheap trades to those little dealerships. If you see a major dealership and there is a little used car dealer across the road, he may be getting his cars from the major dealer across the street (off of trades). So, look first, and be patient, but look first in your community. Have cash. Chances are good if some individual is selling his or her car, they need the money. If you find it and know you want it, pull out cash and don't be afraid to offer less than they ask. Cash in hand is worth so much more than a check or a promise from a stranger.
On New: Ok, I when I was selling cars I found a consumer reports video on "how to buy a car." It was laughable. There was all this emphasis on being firm and tough.
Look, people are people. Most salesmen are just like you. They want to make a living, have families and are just trying to support those families like you are. Don't go in with this attitude. When I sold cars I had customers that refused to shake my hand or be polite. They tried to treat me like a dog. How hard do you think I wanted to work for them? The owner of my business had his business paid for, He was a rich man and was a strong Republican in the community. He hated those kind of people as well. If you want to get a good deal, sure, you can be firm, but play polite and nice. A salesman will go to the ends of the earth for a customer he likes. You don't have to lay down and be a doormat, that's not what I mean here, just be respectful and treat the man or woman like a human being. Be pleasant. Shake their hand. Stay to your word. You don't like it when sales people play games, sales people don't like it when customers play games either.
Also, here is the thing,, if you find a good sales person and you keep a good relationship with that person, down the road when you want a $2000. car, he will keep you in mind when one comes in. Instead of sending that trade across the street, he'll remember you and give you a call and sell it to you at a good price. Hundreds less than if you had bought it across the street at that little used car shop.
So, for whatever it's worth, there is my little advice. There are some scumbags sales people out there. Follow you gut. I hope that helps.
Oh, the last thing I will say is this, sometimes the salesman really does not know what price he can sell that car for unless he has already had another customer on it. Managers can keep that info from the salesman. There is no harm in asking to talk to the manager directly. He will still have a salesman help you. Also, trust me, the salesman wants to sell you that car as much as you want to buy it. But he has to eat, pay his bills just like you do. New cars do not bring in high profits, unless they are higher line models. We would only get $75. per new car regardless of what price we sold it for. The money was in the $2000. cars and up. That's where you made your money. A $10,000. used car was where all the profits were. Why, because that is the range where owners generally do not sell. Most owners are selling older cheaper cars. (Like $1000-2000.) So, most cars in that price range are only available at Dealerships.
Make sure the car has all its windows. If the guy has the window down to get “fresh air” in the car and he won’t roll it up, I wouldn’t buy it. Also make sure all the doors open and close. If there’s ever a fire and you can’t get out of the car, you could be in trouble. Make sure the guy gives you all the keys. He may just come and “borrow” it while you’re at work. Check for gum under the seat.
KBB prices are notoriusly high. Edmunds is closer to the mark, but still a little high.
sig226 wrote: “ If the gaps between the fenders and the doors, hood, or trunk deck are not straight, the car was hit.”
Yes this is a good point. Carfax is good but doesn’t show everything. This site has some good tips about why collision damage is bad and how to detect it.
http://www.samarins.com/check/bodycond.html
I have been buying used cars, private sale, in the $1000.00-$1500.00 range. With a couple of younger drivers, this has worked out best, and the two vehicles which were wrecked (other driver failed to yield, low speed <35mph, no injuries, but total loss due to the low price of the vehicle), the insurance company checks replaced the vehicles with others of comparable value.
It is easier to do where we do not have annual emissions inspections, and there is no salt used here on the roads in winter. The cash price of the vehicle is too low to warrant full coverage, and if we get a couple of years out of them (or sometimes more), we have done just fine. If really expensive repairs are needed, the vehicle is usually just removed from service and replaced.
It's a guide. That is all. I forget the truck at the time, I think it was a duel axle truck or something ( I wasn't a truck guy, I only sold cars) anyway, We got one of those trucks one day and people were coming in with their Kelley blue book. That was nice and all, but you couldn't buy that truck in our area for what the Kelley said. We sold it fast for what it was worth, way higher than Kelley. So remember that.
Oh, something else, you shouldn't trade either. It is better to sell your old car outright than to trade it in. I always sell our used cars (well, except one time, I traded). If you sell your old car you will get more real money for it than if you take it to a dealer and trade it. But some people don't want that hassle.
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Used is the only way to go really. All the big defects have been detected and fallen out of the mix. I have drive a GM360 engine mostly, Olds Cutlass. We laugh at work, in my small office there are 4 Cutlass’. And we are always watching out for old ladies driving them. but I’m getting old and the winters are getting harder. We had always been under the assumption that 4WD was a gas hog and since we had a large family and a lot of shuttling we just avoided it and I got along.
But I only had to drive this AWD once in a heavy snow and I was bit. I was like a 12 yr old with a new snowmobile. 3 weeks later it was toast. I was so, so sad.
But God’s hand protected me, and inspite of no seat belt, a 45-50 mph hit on the passenger side where I was sitting, I stayed right where I was. I will have a bum leg for the rest of my years probably, but I got a lot of bum parts, it will have to get in line.
My new one has 100 thou, AWD,ABS and cost me 6300. But most importantly is the NON wide span from the wheel to window. and of late I can get all my dps and bundles up front with me. I took the nitrogen out of the tires as there is no where here to fill them.
“you can buy a used car from someone you know who purchased it new. If you know the person well enough you can get an idea on the condition of the car.”
NEVER, EVER sell a used car to someone you know, because you are going to have to live with whatever happens to it.
If the transmission goes out 4 months after they buy it from you, guess what happens.
They come to you for the money to fix it, or hold hard feelings against you for selling them a piece of junk. If you like keeping friends, never do this.
When you pop the hood, check the hood. If the original insulation is missing from the hood, better ask why. Also, check for grass and weeds stuck up in the undersides of the vehicle, or broken/mended pipes. Turn on the headlights and make sure they are aligned and not one of them shining up in the tree tops and the other being cross-eyed.
WHOA! Don't ever let your altitude go up into the flight levels, those tires filled with plain air might burst into flames. Nitrogen? Seriously?
AMEN!
Back in the mid-eighties I wanted to trade my mini-truck in for a sedan.
I liked one of the current Oldmobiles and GM had some really attractive financing at the time, so I went in to the dealer and said that if they would match the price on a unit available at another dealer (but wrong color), give me the "good condition" blue book price on my trade, and get me the advertised financing, they had a deal.
So they get my particulars to run my credit, and it turns out the deal doesn't apply to first time buyers (I'd never paid on time before for a car). Then they tell my my trade is a piece of trash and want to give me next to nothing for it. The guy informs me of all this while shoving a contract and a pen at me like I'm still going to sign it! So I get up to walk out of the guy's office, and he leans so he's partially between me and the door! I told him he better move his fat ass or he'd be searching three counties for pieces of it. He moved. So then I'm at work the next day and they call me, using the work information I gave them so they could do CREDIT! They improved their offer slightly but nowhere near what I had already told them was my bottom line.
Needless to say, I never walked into THAT dealership again.
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