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Flood Survival Memories, GGG Thingy
Self | 4/27/10 | Self

Posted on 04/27/2010 11:13:35 AM PDT by Little Bill

The story of the Ark that saved humanity from the flood seems wide spread in Eurasian mythos. In truth some of what has been passed down is far fetched, but may have a basis in history such as the bursting of the Black Sea dam.

Because we are living in an age of myths, Global Warming, Spotted Owls, and Obama, maybe we look at the realities behind these stories. As you might guess I think Campbell(Golden Bough?) sucks.


TOPICS: History; Weather
KEYWORDS: blacksea; blackseaflood; catastrophism; gilgamesh; godsgravesglyphs; grandcanyon; greatflood; noah; noahsflood
Behind every Great Story lies a grain of truth, Homer comes to mind at once. I think that behind every folk story, myth, or legend lies a story that started it, former.

Lets speculate.

1 posted on 04/27/2010 11:13:35 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv
Swimming against the tide ping.
2 posted on 04/27/2010 11:15:45 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill
As you might guess I think Campbell(Golden Bough?) sucks.

Campbell??

You mean Frazer, right?

3 posted on 04/27/2010 11:16:25 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud
I am a dumb ass, had a brain fart. I got interested in this thing by John W. Campbell of the old “Analogue” days and before.
4 posted on 04/27/2010 11:22:43 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill
I got interested in this thing by John W. Campbell of the old “Analogue” days and before.

There was a story published in Analog when John W. Campbell was editor, in the form of a letter to an editor in the future, in which the writer showed that WWII never happened because all the principal names in the stories were obviously selected for their symbolic meaning — and they couldn't have been referring to real people.

"Letter from a Higher Critic", Stewart Robb (this is from memory, hafta look it up.)

The last line was the joke. After all this discourse about the meaning of names like "Roosevelt", "Churchill", and "Stalin", the "writer" then signed his own name, "Frazer Boughton".

There musta been more than a couple coffee stains generated by that one.

5 posted on 04/27/2010 11:35:27 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud
John probably wrote that one himself. He had a way of making people think in his editorials. Even though he kind of bounced from belief to belief in his personal life, his question everything editorial stance and supposedly outrageous views on issues made the Magazine Interesting.

Aside from that I liked Space Operas, man against the Universe as opposed to those socialist Galaxy types, LOL.

6 posted on 04/27/2010 11:50:58 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill
Aside from that I liked Space Operas, man against the Universe as opposed to those socialist Galaxy types, LOL.

I pretty much stopped reading SF back in the Seventies, about the time it got all politically correct. I don't mind dystopias, but I won't be preached at.

Used to read SF aloud to the missus, back before the kids were big enough to join in. Larry Niven, Isaac Asimov, John Wyndham, Alfred Bester, all those classics.

Nowadays she likes the Retief stories, which are political satire. My screen name comes from one of those.

7 posted on 04/27/2010 12:13:49 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud
I was introduced to SF when I was in Viet Nam. The Red Cross used to send us Care Packages of Books and periodicals. This was my introduction to SF, you humped what was lightest, I read "Lord of the Rings" in a hole in the Central Highlands, well several holes.

Harland Ellison is an enemy of mankind!!

8 posted on 04/27/2010 12:30:16 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: thulldud
I pretty much stopped reading SF back in the Seventies, about the time it got all politically correct. I don't mind dystopias, but I won't be preached at.

Non-PC SF has made a serious comeback, although mainly in the military SF sub-genre.

I recommend David Weber, John Ringo, SM Stirling and Eric Flint, among others.

Ringo's The Last Centurion is perhaps the most politically incorrect thing I've ever read, and remarkably prophetic about the Obama administration.

9 posted on 04/27/2010 12:43:34 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
I recommend David Weber, John Ringo, SM Stirling and Eric Flint, among others.

David Weber has written some stories in Keith Laumer's Bolo canon, one of which I liked enough to read aloud to Mrs. T., but he still seems tainted by contact with PC, for all the military bluster. All those women in combat command — meh. I don't care how many years you project into the future, human nature isn't going to change THAT much.

That being said, I'll just hafta go check out Mr. Ringo. Thanks for the tip.

10 posted on 04/27/2010 3:24:55 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud

In defense of David Weber, he does an excellent job of writing exciting military SF. His women in combat issue is, I agree, overdone. But IMO a small price to pay. With that exception and some occasional nods to same sex marriage his message is actually quite conservative, certainly from an economic standpoint. The baddies are all statists and economic centralizers, while the good guys take the need for a free market for granted.


11 posted on 04/27/2010 6:43:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Little Bill; thulldud; blam

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated 4/27/2010.

Blast from the Past.

Thanks Little Bill.

I agree, Frazer's Golden Bough sucked, but Campbell's Golden Bough was pretty good. ;')

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 6:59:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv
Speculate? One of my favorite pastimes . . .

The breaking of the Black Sea dam doesn't quite seem to fit, time-wise.

My thought is that the flood stories come from the thaw after the last ice age, when sea levels relentlessly rose, wiping out regions like Doggerland and Sundaland. Even today, most of the population lives near a coastline. It's likely most of humanity was displaced.

13 posted on 01/22/2013 5:24:20 PM PST by colorado tanker
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If the literalist-estimated date is used, there is no fit with either one.

Plato’s flood OTOH, which destroyed Atlantis, fits the date of the catastrophic flooding from the melting glaciers — and attributes the destruction of Atlantis to a change in the motion of the celestial bodies.


14 posted on 01/23/2013 7:06:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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I don't use the term “literalist.” Genesis never says the Earth is 5,000 years old. That is an inference made by one Bishop Ussher, whose authority I have never accepted. Interestingly, the fiction of Inherit the Wind notwithstanding, William Jennings Bryan did not accept Bishop Ussher’s calculation, either. He thought the age of the Earth irrelevant to his faith. I don't agree with his politics, but I do agree with him on this.
15 posted on 01/24/2013 1:54:19 PM PST by colorado tanker
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Literalists vary in their estimate of the Earth’s age, mostly by how literally they interpret a seven-days creation. Ussher’s calculation for the age of the Earth was actually 4004 BC, but I wholeheartedly agree that the age of the Earth actually is irrelevant to faith. Those who object to that regard the need to accept the dating as relevant because they believe anything they hold to be non-literal undermines the veracity of the entire Bible.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 3:54:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I remember reading about digs in Iraq about the Al Urbed(sp) culture that was found below a flood layer when they were digging in the 30’s.

In Gilgamesh there was a flood from Heaven could this related? There was a bunch of stuff happening in those times and all we have is confused memories.

17 posted on 01/25/2013 8:53:58 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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Note: this topic is from 4/27/2010. Thanks again Little Bill.



18 posted on 07/05/2013 7:34:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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How anyone with a modern brain could possibly think that Bishop Ussher was right boggles the mind. He gave a date of December something, 4004 bc based on his calculation of the number of years in the begats. Since a careful reading of the bible indicates that these were listed as years, not months and days, then it is impossible to come up with a precise date. Rather it is an indication of the need to present the faithful with a date certain in a prescientific culture.


19 posted on 07/06/2013 12:25:24 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

It’s the last chapter in the Fall of the Date of Ussher.


20 posted on 07/06/2013 7:44:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: gleeaikin
The Bible never says how old the Earth is. I have always taken the fantastic ages in the begats to be a parable to tell people thousands of years ago that the Creation happened a really, really long time ago.

Interestingly and contrary to the fictitious play and movie, William Jennings Bryan didn't adhere to Ussher's calculation, either.

21 posted on 07/08/2013 3:57:09 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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