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Female Submariners! What's Next? Female SEALS?
VetsCoR ^ | 4/29/2010 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 04/29/2010 9:56:45 PM PDT by A Navy Vet

The Navy recently changed policy to allow women on submarines. What the hell has happened to our Military? Have they lost their political correctness minds? Has the Navy not learned their lesson with the numerous pregnancies, difficulties on board between the sexes, and the unwarranted sexual harassment claims? I even witnessed such wrongful claims while women were still on tenders in the 1980's. Sure it's much worse now.

Now DOD is going to put women on subs with narrow passageways where some innocent Sailor can brush up against a female?

Think about it. A male Sailor walking through a two foot wide passageway on an attack sub and accidently brushes up against a female Sailor, meaning no intent, gets hammered for sexual harassment.

This is just plain a** stupid. Even on a Trident, you can't help but touch other Sailors while moving around. And what about "hot-racking". What? The girls get their own compartment and head? As if a sub has that the much space.

What's next? Women in the SEALS? After all, they deserve the same opportunities as men. Right?

Okay, so if ANY woman can pass the strength, endurance, and combat training for SEALS, then she's welcomed aboard. Good luck with that.

I've personally watched those guys train while I was at Coronado Island awaiting my ship to pull in, and watched the biggest strongest most muscular men "ring the bell" to quit. "GI Jane, with Demi Moore" was a Hollywood fantasy.

Unless the woman is the largest bull d*ke female of all time, there is no possibility of her passing SEAL training, maybe BUDS, but not SEAL combat training. In fact, I doubt that any woman will make it through HELL WEEK...and that's just the start.

Many years ago, Israel found that women in combat roles didn't work. They reversed that military policy.

The world is upside down - again. Women on subs. Pfft. So much for our national defense. Wonder how long it will take for a sub to have to surface to unload a female Sailor? I'm betting a six months at most...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: female; military; seals; submarine

1 posted on 04/29/2010 9:56:45 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet

Just a guess: I’ll bet there are no females or sexual harassment problems on Chinese, Russian or even Venezuelan subs. If this PC nonsense isn’t reversed they’re going to kick our a$$ into oblivion.


2 posted on 04/29/2010 10:01:20 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (I don’t trust the reasoning of anyone who writes then when they mean than.)
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To: A Navy Vet

3 posted on 04/29/2010 10:01:43 PM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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To: A Navy Vet
Unless the woman is the largest bull d*ke female of all time, there is no possibility of her passing SEAL training, maybe BUDS, but not SEAL combat training. In fact, I doubt that any woman will make it through HELL WEEK...and that's just the start.

There isn't a female in existence that can take it.

4 posted on 04/29/2010 10:03:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: A Navy Vet
Female Seals?


5 posted on 04/29/2010 10:09:20 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women" - 0. Ageist, Racist, Sexist.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Arrghhh! Sometimes I don’t know who’s worse, the “enemies foreign” or “domestic”.

Back in the 80’s, my uncle (Vietnamam-era submariner, Skate class IIRC) used to rant that the then current PC craze would come to haunt us, particularly regarding our national security interests, in the years to come. Being a dumb teenager at the time, I didn’t get it. I sure do know.


6 posted on 04/29/2010 10:17:42 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (Where'd all the "Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism" bumper stickers go?)
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To: A Navy Vet

I heard an old submariner from the Vietnam War say, If she will go down on a submarine she will go down on anything.


7 posted on 04/29/2010 10:18:18 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL

What if a physically unfit submariner gets stuck in an escape device or compartment and causes scores to drown behind him or her.


8 posted on 04/29/2010 10:22:18 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: A Navy Vet

Aww come on.

Women like things that are long, round, hard, and full of seamen...


9 posted on 04/29/2010 10:26:31 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: omega4179

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_Escape_Training_Tower

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3860391

http://www.onepetro.org/mslib/servlet/onepetropreview?id=OTC-1434-MS&soc=OTC


10 posted on 04/29/2010 10:27:29 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: MrEdd

11 posted on 04/29/2010 10:29:35 PM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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To: A Navy Vet
Camp followers are an old military tradition.

yitbos

12 posted on 04/29/2010 10:33:58 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Uncle Miltie
No, not seals.

Beavers.

13 posted on 04/29/2010 10:59:59 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: Red Steel

I guarantee you that any female assigned to a sub will possess 2 qualities.. She’ll be lesbian, and UGLY AS HELL.


14 posted on 04/29/2010 11:02:50 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: bruinbirdman

Now that’s funny


15 posted on 04/29/2010 11:23:10 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (Where'd all the "Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism" bumper stickers go?)
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To: SirLurkedalot

know=now

facepalm


16 posted on 04/29/2010 11:26:59 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (Where'd all the "Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism" bumper stickers go?)
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To: historyrepeatz
Yes, but do you think that will stop a horny 20-something male from hitting on her?
They had better ban paper sacks on subs. (;<}
17 posted on 04/29/2010 11:30:20 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (President Zero, walking in the footsteps of Hugo Chavez)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons

And she better have a tattoo of Helen Thomas on her back. LOL


18 posted on 04/29/2010 11:37:00 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: A Navy Vet
Female Submariners! What's Next? Female SEALS?

No- Mermaids

19 posted on 04/30/2010 12:26:45 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: A Navy Vet

Bbbut it’s about the diversity!


20 posted on 04/30/2010 12:52:51 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: A Navy Vet

nah, next is female football players at the USNA

right!


21 posted on 04/30/2010 1:03:41 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was not one of the founding fathers ....)
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To: A Navy Vet

It’s an enormous mistake, but you’re not allowed to say so these days... shhhh - it’s “sexist.”


22 posted on 04/30/2010 1:29:44 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: historyrepeatz; Uncle Miltie

Heh-heh! That’s Good!


23 posted on 04/30/2010 1:38:24 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Bernard Marx

As you post it, so shall it be!


24 posted on 04/30/2010 1:42:33 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Uncle Miltie

What would they call them Mermaids? ;-)


25 posted on 04/30/2010 2:30:42 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: A Navy Vet

Are you homo? Hell, I’d want as many women possible on the sub with me. You act like this is a bad thing.


26 posted on 04/30/2010 3:40:08 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: A Navy Vet

Each time females have been allowed in to one of these fields the standards have had to be lowered.
Great for morale and readiness.


27 posted on 04/30/2010 4:04:07 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: A Navy Vet
I present my two pieces of evidence

Exhibit A



Exhibit B


Down Periscope
28 posted on 04/30/2010 4:22:29 AM PDT by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: A Navy Vet

When I was in Somalia, the scuttlebutt was that there were some women who were unhappy about being in an African hellhole during the holidays and got impregnated on purpose to get out of there. Again, it was scuttlebutt so take it for what it’s worth. My guess is that submarines will now become one big skivyhouse...


29 posted on 04/30/2010 4:29:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: A Navy Vet

It might work if it were an all women crew.


30 posted on 04/30/2010 5:12:28 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: historyrepeatz

***I guarantee you that any female assigned to a sub will possess 2 qualities.. She’ll be lesbian, and UGLY AS HELL.***

She will also be mentally unstable, thinking she’s just as qualified as a man to serve on a submarine. I wouldn’t want to cross paths with such a critter, much less be confined on a submarine with one!


31 posted on 04/30/2010 11:04:39 AM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: A Navy Vet

I did a tour on an Adams class DDG years ago and that was incredibly cramped. I could not imagine trying to operate with a mixed male-female crew under those conditions. And at that I’m sure that even an SSBN is more cramped than that DDG was. I have no idea how they’re going to make this work.


32 posted on 04/30/2010 11:09:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Red Steel; A Navy Vet; Black Agnes

Don’t kid yourself. There are female triathlete types who can get through BUD/S. That’s the wrong approach, to “challenge” women to make it. A few would make it, trust me. The question is more generally about long mission endurance by women other than the top top top .00001%. Once a few of those triathletes break the barrier, affirmative action will come in and the mission will suffer.

(I went through BUD/S class 105, “back when training was training” as they say.)


33 posted on 05/01/2010 6:53:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: goseminoles
"Are you homo? Hell, I’d want as many women possible on the sub with me. You act like this is a bad thing."

You forgot your sarcasm tag.

34 posted on 05/02/2010 2:34:11 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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To: Joe Boucher
"Each time females have been allowed in to one of these fields the standards have had to be lowered."

Yup, that's what all the brains in the upper eschelon forget.

35 posted on 05/02/2010 2:35:39 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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To: mbynack
"It might work if it were an all women crew."

An all women submarine? Are you kidding?

BTW, thank for you service.

36 posted on 05/02/2010 2:42:09 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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To: fredhead

Killing me!


37 posted on 05/02/2010 2:44:49 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
"When I was in Somalia, the scuttlebutt was that there were some women who were unhappy about being in an African hellhole during the holidays and got impregnated on purpose to get out of there. Again, it was scuttlebutt so take it for what it’s worth. My guess is that submarines will now become one big skivyhouse..."

Shipmate, that has been the case ever since women were allowed on Navy supple ships back in my day in the late 1970's.

38 posted on 05/02/2010 2:47:45 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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To: Travis McGee
"Don’t kid yourself. There are female triathlete types who can get through BUD/S. That’s the wrong approach, to “challenge” women to make it. A few would make it, trust me"

I do trust you, however, BUDS and latter SEAL combat training are different animals. You know about the combat training and the "search and destroy" training, which the women are not so good at. Big difference. I'm a simple aviation Sailor but have been stationed at Coronado, San Diego and watched those guys train and talked with the combat trainers. I've seen the largest most muscular capable men ring the bell.

Still, combat training, search and destroy, capture and interrogation, evasion and survival while on a clandestine mission is something I don't believe women have the fortitude for it.

Sorry, but I believe even THE biggest bull dyke could not pass the combat training of a US SEAL, unless requirements have been dumbed downed. Still, you would know better than me. But I doubt few if any women can work the problem. Tell me otherwise, and I will accept your word as fact.

Best to you, Trident Holder. You have my ultimate respect. Wearing that golden medal means you worked your ass off. I know, I've watched you guys for years. Youse guys are my heroes.

Wanna share a rack?...hahaha! Actually, I love my wife and I'm not sure she would be happy with me sharing a bunk with some old seal. She's probably say, "what? are you into marine mammals now?". Har! Just funning you guy. She knows Navy.

BTW, have you been watching the HBO series "The Pacific"? It's brutal and realistic according to all accounts from the old guys interviewed. The interesting (or sad) thing is that more Marines were sacrificed in the Soloman Islands than Guadalcanal and Imo Jimo together. Most people have never heard of Peleliu. An awful daily destruction and mangling of humans on a small island in the Soloman chain.

That said, the US interest was always about the push through Europe. I wear my Father's staff sergeant stripes on my biker vest for his fight in Belgium and France campaigns, not to mention his Division flanking Patton's 3rd Army in the Buldge. Take care...Shipmate. You've earned it.

39 posted on 05/02/2010 3:58:42 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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I saw the first episode of “The Pacific” and as a result I got out the main book it’s based on, “Helmet for my Pillow.” One of the greatest war books ever, in every library collecting dust.


40 posted on 05/02/2010 4:30:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: A Navy Vet
"Shipmate, that has been the case ever since women were allowed on Navy supple ships back in my day in the late 1970's."

I think it might be a loooooonnnngg time before they get to the gator navy. I'm shocked they're on subs to be quite frank. Aircraft carriers, okay maybe I can see that. However, the situations that can arise on a sub underwater for 90 - 100 days are too numerous to even get into and seriously, what kind of woman wants to do that job?

Perhaps I come off as a male chauvanist. So be it but I'm not looking at breaking into the fashion industry. There are differences between men and women. There are things that are in womens world and things that are in mens world. To think any differently is to be blind...
41 posted on 05/02/2010 8:10:49 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Sorry to inform you, but they are on the Gators. About the only surface ships that don’t have female enlisted (oficers are there however) are the FFG’s, because the berthing arraingements on such a small ship would be impossible.


42 posted on 05/03/2010 3:42:45 AM PDT by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: fredhead
"Sorry to inform you, but they are on the Gators."

I'm glad I'm retired....
43 posted on 05/03/2010 9:29:37 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: A Navy Vet
Now DOD is going to put women on subs with narrow passageways where some innocent Sailor can brush up against a female?

***glug***glug***glug***

44 posted on 05/04/2010 5:45:24 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: A Navy Vet
Ahoy there mateys!

RALEIGH, N. C. - Naval Reserve Officers Training Corps (NROTC) Midshipman 1st Class Megan Bittner, left, 22, from Chesapeake, Va., and NROTC Officer Candidate Karen Achtyl, 25, from Rochester, N.Y., were recently selected as the first NROTC females to serve aboard submarines. (U. S. Navy photo | Released May 3, 2010)

Megan Bittner Karen Achty

45 posted on 05/06/2010 6:22:45 PM PDT by csvset
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To: A Navy Vet
Replying to if it was an all female crew, they are at sea and the crew is a cycling all about the same time out at after 6 months, I would hate to go against that sub, Plus you know they would all hate men at that time, and know one would be having a baby. Except 9 months after they went into port. Talk about a squid.

As Far as Navy SEAL, I believe let them apply if they pass without the standards being dropped god bless her. Because if the enemy gets her she will need all her training and GOD to stay alive.

46 posted on 10/02/2010 5:25:11 AM PDT by Strikeforce6b (Female Squids and seals)
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