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Chinese explorers stand by claim of Noah's Ark find in Turkey
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | April 30th, 2010 | Stephen Kurczy

Posted on 04/30/2010 3:13:27 PM PDT by FootBall

Chinese explorers stand by claim of Noah's Ark find in Turkey

The Hong Kong-based team rebutted skepticism over their claims of finding Noah's Ark in Turkey, though they said further research is needed to prove beyond doubt that they have located the fabled biblical boat.

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TOPICS: History; Reference; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: abillionchopsticks; ark; found; godsgravesglyphs; noahs; noahsark; turkey; wackadoo
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 04/30/2010 3:19:39 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: FootBall

I’d be more suspicious of the Genesis story if NOBODY talked about the Flood before Moses.

So I don’t get how earlier versions or names in different languages (or changed in order to make cultural claims) cast doubt?


3 posted on 04/30/2010 3:27:36 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: FootBall
"Starting in 2004, NAMI spent several months every year at the mountain conducting searches while also maintaining contact with local fixers."

I bet they fixed it, alright. The fix is in. They spent the last six years fixin' to give NAMI just what they were looking for.

4 posted on 04/30/2010 3:32:33 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze

No true believer needs ‘proof’ of the Genesis record.
God said it, I believe it, that settles it.
It is called faith, ya’ know.
Every human being serves somebody.
I try to serve God and His Son Jesus Christ.
Most of the time, I’m a miserable failure.
But, by grace am I saved, through faith, it
is the gift of God.
Boat - no boat, who cares?


5 posted on 04/30/2010 4:08:32 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“So I don’t get how earlier versions or names in different languages (or changed in order to make cultural claims) cast doubt?”

Because it means the story is not Jewish or Christian but was borrowed/co-opted during the Jewish captivity in Babylon.

It would then validate Sumerian and Babylonian Gods, not the Judaic God. It would mean the early Jews were just stealing it and making it up as they went along.


6 posted on 04/30/2010 4:12:52 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Doulos1

“No true believer needs ‘proof’ of the Genesis record. God said it, I believe it, that settles it. It is called faith, ya’ know.”

Isn’t that basis of most religions?


7 posted on 04/30/2010 4:14:57 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J

Yes, I think it is.


8 posted on 04/30/2010 4:20:28 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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9 posted on 04/30/2010 4:26:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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10 posted on 04/30/2010 4:27:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Bob J
It would then validate Sumerian and Babylonian Gods, not the Judaic God

No, it would validate history. If the event happened, it happened. The bible says the flood killed everyone except Noah's family, which means everyone is descended from them, so you would expect the story to pass down through the various languages and nations that sprang from them.

And if you believe that the flood was widespread but local, like for example the Black Sea region or the Persian Gulf region, it still obviously was a tremendous cataclysm that other nations would have heard of, and would have themselves been affected by. So again, you would expect the story to be embedded in the mythology of many nations in that region.

Remember, the Israelites didn't exist as a people until after Abraham, who was Sumerian. His tribe was gathered from other Sumerians and from among Canaanites.

If the cataclysm was caused by something world-wide, you would expect to see something similar even in mythologies of nations on the other side of the globe, and indeed you do.

11 posted on 04/30/2010 4:32:39 PM PDT by marron
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To: SunkenCiv
massive wooden planks, some 20 meters long, were found in wooden rooms and hallways

I don't see anything in the article explaining how they know what they found is a ship, versus some other kind of wooden structure.

12 posted on 04/30/2010 4:36:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Doulos1

I’ve always had some problems with the “God said it, I believe it, that settles it.” bumper stickers but I essentially agree that faith is the core issue.


13 posted on 04/30/2010 4:39:54 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012----Remember May 20th is "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day")
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To: colorado tanker

If indeed they found anything at all (the photos could have been taken of anything, anywhere, since they are interior shots), they’ve got a good grip on the beanbag of history — at that altitude, what structure (made of wood no less) has been said to be waiting for some lucky finder for over four thousand years? It’s a burden of proof shift from their shoulders to those of the doubters. BUT currently I am among those doubters, since I don’t believe their claims of radiocarbon dating, period. WHERE was the RC dating done, WHO did it, WHEN was it done (it generally takes a while to get something like that done, and chain of custody of the sample, as well as provenance, are important, as is handling of the sample), and where’s the freakin’ report?

Once these explorers come clean about that — and assuming that there really is a legit RC date — I’ll be fine with that. Then the hard work starts of actually finding out what the structure is, what is its size, etc. If it turns out to be basically intact and large enough to fit the description in Genesis, then overnight it becomes the world’s largest tourist attraction, and the Turkish gov’t (the Muzzies also revere Noah, as the Bible was one of the works Mohammed plagiarized) will build a road and rail and hotels lickety-split.

If they come clean, and it turns out they made up the RC dating claim, then their entire claim will have to be regarded as b.s. by any reasonable person. Clearly they could have said, “we have taken multiple samples, we have a video footage of each sample being removed from the mass of wood, and we want to get it tested”. But they didn’t say that.


14 posted on 04/30/2010 5:15:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: marron

/bingo


15 posted on 04/30/2010 5:16:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: tutstar
I used Google Earth to estimate where the Chinese/Turk Discovery sites are (ref statement below..If Mr. Taylors Statement is correct)....See Google Earth picture Below....

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/30/noahs-ark-hoax-claim-doesnt-deter-believers/

Professor Porcher Taylor at the University of Richmond says he, too, believes it is not Noah's Ark, because "they're digging in the wrong place on Mt. Ararat." Taylor says satellite imaging of the region about a half mile away from where the Chinese group says they found the ark shows what has been called "the Ararat anomaly," an area that has intrigued the U.S. intelligence community for years.


16 posted on 04/30/2010 5:18:13 PM PDT by FootBall
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To: Bob J

So that means if you post something, I can’t post later my version of the same thing without stealing it from you and making up any details that differ from your version?

BWAHAHAHAHA!


17 posted on 04/30/2010 5:22:43 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: tutstar
So is it gopher wood, or is it the same old shittim?
18 posted on 04/30/2010 5:23:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Artemis Webb

Faith comes from hearing (and reading) the Word of God.
Once someone sees and understands the basic principles
written in the Word of God, like confessing Jesus Christ
as their Lord and believes God raised him from the dead,
we get born again. Romans 10:9,10. Then with that new
spiritual connection understanding of the Bible becomes
open and easier to grasp. This is why faith is the key.
Bible says- believe, then you see. The world says- let me
see then I’ll believe.


19 posted on 04/30/2010 5:43:30 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: tutstar

I’m bailing out at the send out to mysterious Iranian university for radio carbon dating.That’s red flag enough!


20 posted on 04/30/2010 5:44:38 PM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: SunkenCiv
Major sort of movie about the flood due out around 2012 Moreover those guys claim the Chinese claim is legit and is the culmination of ten years of effort and within my experience the people at IJNP are 100% straight up and legit. The whole thing is 100% straight up. Believe it, Noah's ark has been found and this time, it's in the age when everybody carries movie cameras around in cellphone circuitry and nobody has to risk being killed getting a 1950s camera up 13000' on a mountain.
21 posted on 04/30/2010 5:56:13 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
here's what I got at the link (blank page, so here's the source):
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/strict.dtd">
<!-- <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> -->
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0.1">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Expires" CONTENT="-1">
<TITLE></TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY><P></BODY>
</HTML>

22 posted on 04/30/2010 6:01:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: marron
If the cataclysm was caused by something world-wide, you would expect to see something similar even in mythologies of nations on the other side of the globe, and indeed you do.

Uh, how so? The wicked were all destroyed by God in The Flood....weren't they?

23 posted on 04/30/2010 6:08:40 PM PDT by stboz
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To: SunkenCiv

Sounds like a browser or dns problem, try http://www.injesusnameproductions.org


24 posted on 04/30/2010 6:11:33 PM PDT by wendy1946
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the forum code has been changed tonight. Be that as it may, here's a timely topic: and some related, older stuff: and one very old topic about the Ryan & Pitman book/flood:
25 posted on 04/30/2010 6:30:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: wendy1946

So, they’re making a movie, of which this is just a publicity stunt?


26 posted on 04/30/2010 6:36:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: wendy1946

Scientific Peer Review (webpage from that site):
http://www.injesusnameproductions.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=50292


27 posted on 04/30/2010 6:38:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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28 posted on 04/30/2010 6:46:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/fcanopy.html


29 posted on 04/30/2010 6:53:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-Issues/2010/0428/Doubt-cast-on-Noah-s-ark-found-in-Turkey

the gist — Evangelical Christian and previously a member of this team, Dr. Randall Price, an evangelical Christian and former member of this team, is director of the Center for Judaic Studies at the conservative Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, wrote in a leaked email that some local Kurds “are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area... During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film...”


30 posted on 04/30/2010 7:47:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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It’s a Getty image, so no posting it on FR, but here’s the link:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100427-coslog-racks-hlarge-1155a.jpg

Found on this page:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/27/2280442.aspx

Notice the obvious touch of fakery — the straw. 4000+ year old straw on which the animals must have lain, and it really helped sell the hoax.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 8:02:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
Notice the obvious touch of fakery — the straw. 4000+ year old straw on which the animals must have lain, and it really helped sell the hoax.

If it formed any sort of shelter, the straw could have been from anyone's use of it during the last 4000 years.
32 posted on 04/30/2010 8:05:48 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Particularly since the wood was lugged up sometime in the past couple of years, but then they’d have to haul the straw too. Which figures, because it’s a HOAX.


33 posted on 04/30/2010 8:35:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

If someone is going to try to pull off a hoax they should at least try to do a good job.


34 posted on 04/30/2010 8:47:09 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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The apparent railroad ties used for this latest hoax don't look anything like 4000 years old, which I guess isn't surprising, since there were no railroads back then.
Aegean Dendrochronology Project
December 1998 Progress Report

Peter I. Kuniholm
A well-preserved juniper post, painted blue and with modern door hinges, was recovered from a modern village house simply because it looked suspiciously old. The sample we were given did not fit anything in our Neolithic inventory, so we sent a piece of it to Heidelberg to see what radiocarbon analysis would reveal. The date is 2117 B.C. + 110 years, which means it is from some Early Bronze Age occupation near the lake at Kastoria.

35 posted on 04/30/2010 8:52:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: rdl6989

Oh, they did a good enough job, for some. :’)


36 posted on 04/30/2010 8:52:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
I guess they carried up Lava Flows along with the Wood to create one of a kind elaborate Hoax.

Mount Ararat was most notably Volcanically active around 3000 b.c. and a few times since. You will notice the lava flow covering the wooden beams in some places and actually ending the beams as they seem burnt through in attached picture (left center). Hard to plant something like this. Either this is Noah's Ark or an old man-made structure (ref. 1840 volcanic activity) that has been exposed to volcanic activity.


37 posted on 04/30/2010 9:41:01 PM PDT by FootBall
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To: tutstar

Still, until there is a tree ring and carbon dating analysis, there is no way to know that this structure wasn’t built by some small Christian/Zoroastrian/Jewish sect that believed in some doomsday cult that was related to the Noah and pre-Noah great flood folklore.

The people who built this could have been reading the same Biblical story we know, and decided it was going to happen again.


38 posted on 05/01/2010 1:03:58 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SunkenCiv
Particularly since the wood was lugged up sometime in the past couple of years, but then they’d have to haul the straw too. Which figures, because it’s a HOAX.

Since this region has shrines (and place names) commemorating Noah going back hundreds if not thousands of years, it wouldn't be surprising to see something like this.
39 posted on 05/01/2010 6:33:59 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I’m among those who thinks there’s some basic actual events behind the tale of Noah and the Ark — but I would be very surprised if it is found. It’s not like the Ark was some small thing, and it’s not as if no one has lived in the area during the intervening millennia, and not as if no one has ever previously looked for it. And — nothing. Hagopian claimed to have been all up inside it, but that claim never produced anything except a “replica”.

The Ark has been reported by various folks who went looking for it, and it has never been found. This particular story doesn’t have anything going for it, and has a former insider saying it’s a fake. So, it would not/will not be surprising when the story breaks down.


40 posted on 05/01/2010 8:04:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: FootBall

There’s no lava in the photo, other than some loose rubble. I see what appears to be ice.


41 posted on 05/01/2010 8:07:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
Even though David Fasold has now recanted his interpretation of what he found, it still makes more sense than a lot of other scenarios. And what it had going for it was: 1. a ship design completely unlike anything in common use now yet matching the minimalist descriptions found in Genesis, 2. a site of something really big, symmetrical, man-made, and of materials consistent with such a craft, as well as numerous drogue stones littering the area.

The funny thing is that other Ark searchers knew of this anomaly and even dynamited part of it before moving on to look for something that more clearly matched their expectations of what it had to look like, gleaned, no doubt, from their early years of Sunday school lessons with their color supplements of some bearded guy opening a hatch in a hewn timber ship to receive a white dove carrying a leafy twig in its gentle beak.
42 posted on 05/01/2010 8:31:54 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

It’ll be nice if the other ten Arks filled with fodder that Noah had to tow so he could keep his menagerie alive for half a year are found nearby.


43 posted on 05/01/2010 8:33:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
It’ll be nice if the other ten Arks filled with fodder that Noah had to tow so he could keep his menagerie alive for half a year are found nearby.

Over a year.
44 posted on 05/01/2010 8:35:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: SunkenCiv
currently I am among those doubters

I am too. Because of Genesis people have been looking at that mountain for years. This seems awfully convenient for a group that was paid a bunch of money to find what they claim they found.

45 posted on 05/01/2010 10:53:10 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv
Mount Ararat is known as a StratoVolcano. This Lava tends to be Glassy like. Giving it a shimmer. In addition ice is covering the lava adds to the shimmer. It's a naturally occuring Glass called Obsidian which is found in Felsic Lava flow and is caused when this lava cools very quickly (like in a VERY cold enviroment on top at 13k Feet on Mount Ararat).

Click Here for StratoVolcano Wiki

The lava that flows from stratovolcanoes tends to be viscous; it cools and hardens before spreading far. The magma forming this lava is often felsic, having high-to-intermediate levels of silica (as in rhyolite, dacite, or andesite), with lesser amounts of less-viscous mafic magma.

Picture of Obsidian Lave almost identical to the Chinese explorer picture I posted above.


46 posted on 05/01/2010 11:10:00 AM PDT by FootBall
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To: Doulos1
No true believer needs ‘proof’ of the Genesis record. God said it, I believe it, that settles it.

“A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood." -Chinese Proverb

47 posted on 05/01/2010 12:53:47 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: Bob J
“Because it means the story is not Jewish or Christian but was borrowed/co-opted during the Jewish captivity in Babylon.

It would then validate Sumerian and Babylonian Gods, not the Judaic God. It would mean the early Jews were just stealing it and making it up as they went along.”

Nope, Nope, and Nope.

It just means that people from that region kept some of their history, and passed it along. It doesn't validate or invalidate Sumerian or Babylonian gods, either. It just shows continuity. IIRC, Father Abraham was from the region where the Utnapishtim/Noah story comes from, so it doesn't mean the Jews stole anything, either. It's family history.

48 posted on 05/01/2010 2:24:20 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: cerberus

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually
discerned.” I Cor. 2:14


49 posted on 05/01/2010 3:26:19 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Doulos1

A mind that is truly not closed is not closed to the things of the spirit but it is also open to knowledge and reason.


50 posted on 05/01/2010 4:29:33 PM PDT by cerberus
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