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Spike Lee Owes Reparations
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Posted on 05/01/2010 3:12:59 PM PDT by TigerBait

So Spike goes on NBC's WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE last night.

Hilarity ensues...as we watch Spike turn several shades of grey as he comes to terms with the fact that:

*His great grandpa worked in a CONFEDERATE Colt pistol factory, that was burned down by Sherman.

* He almost certainly has white blood.

* His ancestors not only had 40 acres and a mule, they had 80 acres and a mule by the 1870 census.

*His third cousin twice removed was a fine southern lady living in Texas.

Now I have a soft spot for Spike, and his "joints", but he espouses this cartoonish view of racial issues.

It was nice to see him HAVE TO FACE the complexities of that time and the unlikely close relationship between slave/slaveowner, and all the other issues...you can't just fit this stuff in a neat little box just to make yourself feel morally superior.


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KEYWORDS: geneology; irony; race; realitybites; schadenfreude; slavery; spikelee

1 posted on 05/01/2010 3:12:59 PM PDT by TigerBait
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To: TigerBait

I watched the show. He was mortifed to discover he had white ancestors.


2 posted on 05/01/2010 3:19:59 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: TigerBait
*His third cousin twice removed was a fine southern lady living in Texas.

She is a former colleague of mine.

3 posted on 05/01/2010 3:24:49 PM PDT by Peanut Gallery (The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.)
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To: TigerBait

It reminds of an observation that P.J. O’Rourke once made on this point (I paraphrase his statement): many blacks born in the US have more white patrician blood in them than do the inbred yahoos wearing bedsheets and burning crosses.


4 posted on 05/01/2010 3:26:43 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TigerBait

Sweet! Spike got pwnd!


5 posted on 05/01/2010 3:29:10 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: South40

We could not make this stuff up.


6 posted on 05/01/2010 3:35:15 PM PDT by Rapscallion (I have a dog in this fight. You may not know it, but you do too.)
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To: TigerBait

Regardless of her Hollywood connections....Brooke Shields is still beautiful.


7 posted on 05/01/2010 3:36:14 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: TigerBait

Personally I think blacks who are still on the democrat plantation would benefit greatly from looking beyond slavery to the voluntary contributions their anscestors have made to the history of this country.

Unfortunately its hard to research the stuff online without becoming bogged down in wildly biased garbage that only concerns itself with slavery.


8 posted on 05/01/2010 3:38:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: TigerBait

Unintended consequences.


9 posted on 05/01/2010 3:42:00 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: TigerBait

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!


10 posted on 05/01/2010 3:43:13 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: TigerBait
So Spike Lee' a Cracker...LOL!
11 posted on 05/01/2010 3:43:13 PM PDT by tophat9000 (It ain't about Black... It ain't about White...It's about a Red...Trying to take our rights!)
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To: TigerBait

He’ll happily take money out of his right pocket and put it in his left....


12 posted on 05/01/2010 3:45:35 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: TigerBait

Sweet! I would have loved to have seen that!


13 posted on 05/01/2010 3:48:15 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: TigerBait

This looks awful.


14 posted on 05/01/2010 3:52:59 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: TigerBait

I was looking at his gg grandpa’s 80 acres in the exact area my gg grandparents were sharecroppers. I wondered briefly if my gg grandparents worked for his gg grandparents. Yes, my gg grandparents were white.

It was a little touching seeing him dig at the Georgia clay seeing how that is precious to us. Then he had to go get all “gots to get done ‘fo da sun goes down... donna let da sun set on yo black a&&...” and so on. He HAD to interject his RACIST PREJUDICES against white people. Don’t get me wrong, there were and are certainly racist white people in the south, but for crying out loud, people actually believe the caricature and won’t make room in their brain for anything else.

Even a friend of mine, let’s just not from here, made the comment while traveling through the state on how she saw no difference in the way blacks and whites interact in the ‘country’ than in any other part of America and didn’t understand why the legends still persisted in other parts of the US. I was like “I’m nearly 40 and segregation ended before I was born.”

Just perplexes me how the stereotype lives on and on. Oh yeah, people like Spike Lee have access to a camera and budget and they forget to do things like RESEARCH.


15 posted on 05/01/2010 3:53:01 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: cripplecreek

You’d be surprised at the almost hysterics the black college students in my class went into when they discovered that the first legal slaveowner in America (English colony at the time) was a black man.


16 posted on 05/01/2010 3:54:28 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine
Yesterday I went looking for an account of the freeing of a slave by Samuel Adams. The first site I found made the claim that Adams would not allow a negro in his home. The reality is that Adams always opposed slavery and said that he would not allow the negro (Surrey) to live in his home as a slave.

I did eventually find this account of the story.

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17 posted on 05/01/2010 4:03:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: autumnraine

Just so you know, there are certainly racist people in the north, too.


18 posted on 05/01/2010 4:13:35 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: South40
I watched the show. He was mortifed to discover he had white ancestors.

What a fu**ing idiot. All us black Americans with slave ancestry have caucasian blood. He ought to know better (and of course, he does).

My own G-G-G grandfather was a Brig. General in the Confederate Army, who also fought in the war against Mexico. His father was the US Attorney General, and former Governor of Kentucky.

That little tidbit of data raised a few eyebrows in my clan when it was discovered.

Fascinating, the stuff that comes up in a genealogical search.

19 posted on 05/01/2010 4:19:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: autumnraine

cvan you elaborate for we historically challenged students?


20 posted on 05/01/2010 4:30:08 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton

(cvan is shorthand for “Please” and “I’m too lazy to use spell check”)


21 posted on 05/01/2010 4:32:52 PM PDT by norton
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To: Windflier

I am pale with blonde hair and blue eyes, but Jewish ancestry. I have one HLA type that only African blacks have, and some few Jews. Yes, I have black blood. We are all mixed. Who cares? What is Spike trying to prove??


22 posted on 05/01/2010 4:39:10 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: autumnraine
You’d be surprised at the almost hysterics the black college students in my class went into when they discovered that the first legal slaveowner in America (English colony at the time) was a black man.

Quite a few Europeans originally came to America as Indentured Servants. Basically a contract slave. The contract was for a specific length of time. Once the contract was over, they were free. There were also many Europeans that came over on English prison ships. Those people probably had it the worse off. Forced to do the dirty work of the English at the point of a gun. That was standard practices back in those days.

23 posted on 05/01/2010 4:39:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: autumnraine
Thinking about your black ancestors being slaves must be very painful but did you ever ask the black college students in your class if they would rather be living in Africa today or where they are living in the USA?

I chatted with some black girls in a plantation house in Louisiana while we were touring it. They had just learned that the owners of that plantation were black and they had owned black slaves. They were devastated.

24 posted on 05/01/2010 4:44:29 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Yaelle
What is Spike trying to prove?

He wants to prove that the US is the most despicable nation in world history. Like all radical leftists, he ultimately seeks our demise.

People like him dream of a day when every caucasian in America is either banished or destroyed. In his secular, racist religion, caucasians are like infidels are to muslims.

The man is a seething ball of racist hatred, and should be condemned by all thinking people.

25 posted on 05/01/2010 4:47:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Yaelle
What is Spike trying to prove??

Freudian Projectionism would be my guess. Trying to excuse his own personal dislike of whites via projecting his racism to all whites. IE - My dislike of whites is not my fault. It is their fault. All progressives have this character flaw. They refuse to deal with their own inadequacies and project those negative character traits on to others. That character flaw makes them a progressive. The mindset typically manifests as - It is okay to steal from the rich because they probably stole their riches in the first place and besides they definitely did not earn the riches and definitely do not deserve the richness.

26 posted on 05/01/2010 4:47:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: TigerBait

I do give Mr. Lee credit for doing this episode of the show.

Now he PERSONALLY knows that “It’s Complicated” is more than a
title of a comedy movie.
It’s the story of the people of this great country.


27 posted on 05/01/2010 4:51:39 PM PDT by VOA
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To: norton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_%28American_Colonial%29


28 posted on 05/01/2010 5:11:15 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Yes, this was common. One of my ancestors agreed to work aboard ship to pay for his family’s passage to America in the mid-seventeen hundreds. He was an inexperienced seaman and fell from the ships rigging and was killed. When they arrived in America his wife and child were sold into indentured servitude to pay off the fare. They almost died while traveling to find family after they were released.


29 posted on 05/01/2010 5:23:17 PM PDT by chronicles
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Fascinating story. Thanks for the link.


30 posted on 05/01/2010 5:25:14 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: TigerBait

Spike ‘Clark W’ Griswold?


31 posted on 05/01/2010 5:34:39 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Ditter

Louisiana had the largest number of black slave owners if history serves me correctly.


32 posted on 05/01/2010 5:59:30 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: norton

Anthony Johnson was a black man who came across from England as an indentured servant. Indentured servants were valued at more than slaves early on because the survival rate was very low. Usually the contract was the price of coming to the colony and when the contract time (usually 7 years) ended, the servant would be able to purchase their own land and make money as a tobacco farmer themselves. It was financially better because most of the time the servant didn’t survive the contract and the plantation owner could get more. After the survival rate increased, the plantation owners realized they would be having more competition, so they changed to slaves.

So, Anthony Johnson, a black man who worked out his contract and became his own plantation owner had slaves himself. A slave of his (John Casor I think?) ran away to a neighbor and the neighbor wouldn’t return him, not agreeing morally with slavery. Anthony Johnson sued the neighbor and won, making him the first legal case as a legal slaveowner ordained and recognized by the courts as the “owner” of John Casor.

This is how the first slaveowner in America was a black man.


33 posted on 05/01/2010 6:07:12 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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