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Jerome R. Corsi : '2nd face' on Shroud points to supernatural origin
Catholic Online ^ | April 28 2010 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/01/2010 7:28:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

Fanti and Maggiolo concluded the shroud image was created by a "corona discharge," understood as a radiant burst of light and energy that scorched the body image of the crucified man on the topmost fibers of the shroud's front and back sides, without producing any image on the centermost of its linen fibers.

"Imagine slicing a human hair lengthwise, from end to end, into 100 long thin slices; each slice one-tenth the width of a single red blood cell," writes Daniel Porter, editor of ShroudStory.com. "The images on the Shroud of Turin, at their thickest, are this thin."

Fanti and Maggiolo found the faint image of the face on the reverse side of the shroud contained the same 3D information contained in the face and body image of the crucified man seen on the shroud's front side.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


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1 posted on 05/01/2010 7:28:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

FASCINATING.

THANKS.


2 posted on 05/01/2010 7:52:19 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

bm


3 posted on 05/01/2010 8:12:53 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Berlin_Freeper


4 posted on 05/01/2010 9:14:08 PM PDT by Chode
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To: Salvation

ping


5 posted on 05/01/2010 9:14:39 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Is there anything, anything, that was made in the 1300s that we can't make today?

If that is the case, and I believe it is, why is it we can't figure out a way to reproduce the shroud? Is it because it's not a fake? No, that is just too much for the skeptics to fathom. And so they keep imagining dark rooms with Michelangelo and some knowledge of photography and evey with all that they still can't make something with all the qualities of the shroud. It's a great, wonderful relic.

6 posted on 05/01/2010 9:24:44 PM PDT by Defiant (De-fund the left. Refund the American taxpayer.)
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these folks have to try and discredit, not due to some noble feeling toward true scientific discovery, but due to the horror of what this shroud shows, and represents....


7 posted on 05/01/2010 9:35:38 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Defiant
If that is the case, and I believe it is, why is it we can't figure out a way to reproduce the shroud?

Why couldn't God make a Polaroid instead of a shroud?

8 posted on 05/01/2010 9:37:48 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

A Polaroid is simple copared to the data evident in the Shroud. I do find it interesting that no one seems ready to include notions about dimesnion Time in the possible way the image was generated.


9 posted on 05/01/2010 9:43:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It’s just Medieval forgery by a painter who knew how to paint on single fibers on two surfaces.

The 1988 carbon-dating test PROVED that!


10 posted on 05/01/2010 10:22:08 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Quix

Those samples were not taken from the original fabric. That has been proven.


11 posted on 05/01/2010 10:37:30 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Had not heard this before. Thanks. Wow.


12 posted on 05/01/2010 10:37:52 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

For some silly reason the tests were made from samples taken from

MEDEVIL PATCHES

and not from the original fabric.


13 posted on 05/01/2010 10:43:54 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

My faith doesn’t put any store in relics and such, so whether it’s authentic or not, or supernatural or not, does not weigh all that heavily upon me.

But, it’s striking that the critics of the historical claims associated with the shroud are sounding less and less credible.

I guess the flip side of the coin is true as well: my faith is not threatened by the shroud being genuine, unlike certain materialists.


14 posted on 05/01/2010 10:43:56 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Joya

I think he was kidding.


15 posted on 05/01/2010 10:47:06 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Future Snake Eater; Arthur McGowan

As my kids would tell you, I often miss that. Apologies for my inaccurate reaction. Thanks for pointing that out.


16 posted on 05/01/2010 11:16:34 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

Sarcasm alert.


17 posted on 05/01/2010 11:40:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

If it’s genuine, it’s certainly there for a good reason. I’m sure Jesus could have figured out how to rise from the dead without leaving images on the shroud, if He had wanted to!

In other words: If Jesus left an image of Himself—and not a painting, but an image created by “natural forces,” i.e., in a real sense, a photograph, and not just a photograph, but one that attests (because of the kinds of “natural forces” involved) to the reality of His Resurrection—then that is hardly a minor decision on His part, and hardly a peripheral part of the evidence for the truth of the Gospels.


18 posted on 05/01/2010 11:46:06 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
 
 
 
Science Dictionary
corona discharge  
"An electrical discharge characterized by a corona, occurring when one of two conducting surfaces (such as electrodes) of differing voltages has a pointed shape, resulting in a highly concentrated electric field at its tip that ionizes the air (or other gas) around it. Corona discharge can result in power loss in the transmission of electric power, and is used in photocopying machines and air-purification devices. See also electric arc."
 
 
Interesting, but I don't think Fanti and Maggiolo are breaking any new ground here. I remember a report years ago by some scientists who said that the shroud was scorched by an unidentified burst of energy, even giving a basic rundown on how that would have affected the shroud fibers. 
 
I had always wondered about Jesus's warning to Mary Magdalene in John 20:17 to not touch or to hold Him. When she recognized Jesus and got excited, the first thing He said was a warning not to "hold" or "touch" Him - possibly to keep Mary back due to it being dangerous for a mortal in the flesh to have physical contact with Him at that particular time for some reason? Others have interpreted the passage as a gentle command to a grieving Mary to not fret and try to prevent Him from leaving.
 
 
However it was done, the fact remains that something very unusual happened to that stretch of cloth.
 
 

19 posted on 05/02/2010 12:20:43 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: MHGinTN

There was a thread on here back at Easter when the History Channel show was on. Some Romananian (??) gal discusses how the shroud may have been like a “mini creation”, something like a black hole. When the physics is “suspended”. Something about how the image is both on the front and back, but no flattening of the linen against the back - so the linen was not touching the body all the way around (no gravity).

Interesting stuff.


20 posted on 05/02/2010 12:31:18 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: MHGinTN

Here’s an article on the gal.

http://royalheir.blogspot.com/2010/03/singularity-found-in-shroud-of-turin.html


21 posted on 05/02/2010 12:33:12 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: 21twelve

A quote from the lady physicist:

“The Shroud and the tomb signifies an unbelievable beginning, because in the depth of the collapsed event horizon there is something which science knows as ‘singularity.’ This is exactly what started the universe. We have nothing less in the tomb of Christ than the beginning of a new universe.” This is resurrection in its truest sense. This is the starting base for the new physics.”


22 posted on 05/02/2010 12:39:00 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: Arthur McGowan

OK. Sigh. Thanks. Sorry about that.


23 posted on 05/02/2010 5:06:09 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: 21twelve

How interesting. Not touching the body all the way around.


24 posted on 05/02/2010 5:07:59 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: 21twelve; All; Quix; oprahstheantichrist; LibertyRocks; TaraP; firebrand; left that other site; ...

Beyond quantum physics.

http://royalheir.blogspot.com/2010/03/singularity-found-in-shroud-of-turin.html

Link posted by 21/12. A MUST-READ article.

Not even possibly fake.

Wow.


25 posted on 05/02/2010 5:23:23 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

BTTT


26 posted on 05/02/2010 5:30:03 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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My wife and I will be flying to Turin on Tuesday to see it in person. Will give a full report when I return.


27 posted on 05/02/2010 6:32:46 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Swordmaker

ping


28 posted on 05/02/2010 6:43:18 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The 1988 carbon-dating test PROVED that!

Nope, it didn't, though most folks believe that, because that's what the media proclaimed at the time.

One of the most skeptical of the original scientists doing the carbon dating did some further study, spurred on my a couple doing some history study at their kitchen table. They had read up on the history of the shroud, and discovered that it had been repaired by some nuns in a French convent in the Middle Ages, using a technique called 'French re-weaving'. It involves weaving threads into a damaged area in such a way that you can't tell, from looking at it, that it was ever damaged.

The contacted the scientist, who looked very closely at the sample he had, and realized that they were right. Where there should have been only linen in the sample, if it were only the original fabric, the scientist found threads of COTTON. He then understood why the different teams of scientists, each doing Carbon dating separately, had come of with such a wide range of dates, which, when averaged, gave a time from some time in the early Middle Ages. They were getting readings from materials from two different time frames, but that were woven together.

In order to more firmly get a Carbon dating reading, a sample needs to be taken from an area that was never repaired. Don't know if this will happen, or not, but it would be interesting to know.

29 posted on 05/02/2010 6:43:57 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This was reproduced on TV through an experiement.

The shroud is a FAKE.

Don’t buy into this.


30 posted on 05/02/2010 6:52:51 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Joya

THX.


31 posted on 05/02/2010 7:41:50 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Joya

thanks so much for the ping, although I have to admit a lot of the science is beyond me


32 posted on 05/02/2010 7:44:09 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: bjorn14

If you could ping me to that report, I’d be happy. Enjoy your trip!


33 posted on 05/02/2010 7:45:13 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Joya

Thanks for the ping!


34 posted on 05/02/2010 8:11:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

Ping!


35 posted on 05/02/2010 8:11:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: raygunfan

These are the types I prefer researching it. If it stands up to their scrutiny then it’s more reliable than what some at Catholic.org might claim.


36 posted on 05/02/2010 8:25:13 AM PDT by Round 9
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To: Berlin_Freeper
It may well be what it appears to be.

However it must not be worshiped like some golden calf.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

37 posted on 05/02/2010 8:27:24 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

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38 posted on 05/02/2010 8:29:47 AM PDT by dubyagee (Thrilled to be here...)
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To: Round 9

i dont mind them researching it, however, ‘these types’ are the ones who dismiss apriori, the manifestation of Christ, if it points in that direction...and that is shame...

the decades and decades of research into the shroud have shown lots of grand ideas on how to create this, yet none match what we have on the shroud itself....the evidence points continually in a direction that ‘these types’ dont want to go, that is the problem i have.


39 posted on 05/02/2010 8:37:53 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Joya

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 05/02/2010 8:51:11 AM PDT by RebelTex (FREEDOM IS EVERYONE'S RIGHT! AND EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY!)
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To: Uri’el-2012

well gee, thanks for the advice. It also shouldn’t be used to remove grime from your wheel wells.


41 posted on 05/02/2010 10:17:51 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Moonman62

My question was, why can’t you make a shroud? Why can’t anyone?


42 posted on 05/02/2010 10:21:06 AM PDT by Defiant (De-fund the left. Refund the American taxpayer.)
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To: bjorn14

I’d love to hear your thoughts when you return from seeing the Shroud.

Really, when you think about it, it all makes sense and hangs together: People who have near death experiences talk about God’s presence as an amazing light; one of the first things God created was Light; the Shroud reveals a burst of amazing Light; the Old Testament records the angels are beings of light; when Jesus transfigured, He was full of Light; Christ often spoke of light in his parables; when He died, there was darkness; the Acts often mention someone who was full of the Spirit having light in his face; and Revelation indicates the world will end in “flames” and light. Einstein, one of the Chosen People, helped us understand more about light and physics and math than we ever did before.

Truly, Christ is the Light of the world.


43 posted on 05/02/2010 10:22:41 AM PDT by Melian (The two most common elements in the world are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Melian

The vocabulary beginning here is sounding like that used by the UFO/Alien out of the body lingo....this is the juncture where science and the absurd leave one another and people go off the deep end of reality.

People need to stay grounded on the known, tried and true...look but don’t get into so deep the reality of the now is lost in the “hope” of what you might desire to be true but is not....” The just shall live by faith”


44 posted on 05/02/2010 10:36:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

But quantum physics is more closer to the junction of science and the (now) absurb -


45 posted on 05/02/2010 10:44:23 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
U-2012> It may well be what it appears to be.

However it must not be worshiped like some golden calf.

well gee, thanks for the advice. It also shouldn’t be used to remove grime from your wheel wells.

The remark was addressed to certain cults which worship
slivers of wood, teeth, bone and cloth which may have touched the above.

Following this commandment.

8 'You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

9 'You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, YHvH your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Just in case you were unfamiliar the Commandments of YHvH.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
46 posted on 05/02/2010 10:45:03 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Uri’el-2012
No really, thanks for the advice. As long as we are sharing advice, let me offer that you shouldn't sleep with your sister, just in case you are unfamiliar with the laws of genetics and morality.

You're most welcome

47 posted on 05/02/2010 10:47:43 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Which rests on theory and prediction of possibilities.


48 posted on 05/02/2010 10:49:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: Uri’el-2012
The Shroud is similar to the search for the ark, and all that has been of days gone by, various relics unearthed or deemed ‘Holy’ ....somehow people have a need for something tangible to reinforce their faith...something to hold onto rather than belief when one cannot see proof. Human nature does not change much....

Others prefer to look at those of the household of faith...and though these people we read of in the biblical writings had no proof whatsoever..believed non-the-less. Heroes of faith says it well, and they can teach us all what a walk of faith is about.

49 posted on 05/02/2010 10:55:55 AM PDT by caww
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
May you one day come to know
the creator of the universe
and seek YHvH's salvation
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

50 posted on 05/02/2010 11:05:31 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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