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Daniel Kovarbasich is facing up to 10 years in prison (Gay Grooming victim could face 10 years)
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com ^ | April 30th, 201 | Brad Dicken

Posted on 05/03/2010 8:02:47 AM PDT by Maelstorm

ELYRIA — A county judge Thursday found 16-year-old Daniel Kovarbasich guilty of voluntary manslaughter and aggravated assault in the Jan. 22 beating and stabbing death of Duane Hurley.

Daniel, who was tried as an adult, could get up to 10 years in prison when he is sentenced later this year. Had be been convicted of the murder and felonious assault charges he originally faced, Daniel could have been sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.

Daniel had taken the stand earlier in the day Thursday, telling Lorain County Common Pleas Judge James Burge that he killed Hurley to avoid having sex with the man who had sexually abused him since he was 15. Burge heard the case instead of a jury at Daniel’s request.

(Excerpt) Read more at chronicle.northcoastnow.com ...


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KEYWORDS: childmolester; gay; grooming; hatecrime; homosexualagenda; judicialtyranny; moralabsolutes; murder; nifongism; sexualassault; statutoryrape
This story doesn't cover everything but this is clearly a case of this boy being groomed by an older man and the boy finally snapped and killed him. As we become a more tolerant society we will find a world where speaking out in cases of this kind of abuse will be more difficult. I'm surprised Daniel wasn't charged with a hate crime.
1 posted on 05/03/2010 8:02:47 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Homos can’t reproduce, they can only recruit.


2 posted on 05/03/2010 8:05:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Maelstorm

Maybe it’s just me but I call it payback.


3 posted on 05/03/2010 8:06:48 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Maelstorm

You know, if somebody tells me he’ll give me $80 for sex if I go over to his place, I’m not going over to his place. Call me crazy.


4 posted on 05/03/2010 8:08:10 AM PDT by maddogconservative
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To: Travis McGee

They are like willing hosts for parasites. Kinda like those little fish that swim under sharks. They have to find other hosts so AIDS can survive.


5 posted on 05/03/2010 8:08:17 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Travis McGee

And they do. Most of male homosexuals report being recruited themselves by older men. Even the gay icon Rock Hudson was molested by an older boy who had befriended him. That’s the way it usually happens. Out of the homosexuals I’ve known personally 75% I know were molested. At least one went on to molest two other boys grooming them with alcohol and drugs until they killed him violently. The one who I’m not sure was molested was illiterate and mowed grass for a living. It seemed more like a an arrangement of convenience. It has been my experience that the sexually screwed up are very manipulative. A lesbian I knew was always trying to trick heterosexual girls into relationships and was always chronically depressed. We are fed a very horrible lie in the name of tolerance and it will get worse and the silence will get more deafening because we are a nation of cowards on some issues. Don’t want to upset the sissies and dykes I suppose.


6 posted on 05/03/2010 8:14:43 AM PDT by Maelstorm (They'll take the money you earn, take the minds of your children, and take your right to disagree.)
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To: maddogconservative

So it was consensual statutory rape then?

Not really “rape rape” < /Whoopi >


7 posted on 05/03/2010 8:15:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: maddogconservative

You so crazy!

What about if a gay guy approaches you, and take you home. He thinks he’s going to have sex with you, and you think you’re going to kill him and rob him. And you do.

Do you think you should get off because he’s gay and you’re underage?


8 posted on 05/03/2010 8:16:16 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Maelstorm

Ohio


9 posted on 05/03/2010 8:16:58 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: maddogconservative

I agree but there is more to this story. Abuse really screws with the minds of people especially when it is done by those who have gained their confidence.


10 posted on 05/03/2010 8:34:38 AM PDT by Maelstorm (They'll take the money you earn, take the minds of your children, and take your right to disagree.)
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To: worst-case scenario

I have an idea. Have a homo drill you in the rectal region for a while and see how your emotions are. You may just feel like killing him after a while.


11 posted on 05/03/2010 8:37:53 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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To: Maelstorm
Out of the homosexuals I’ve known personally 75% I know were molested.

I suspect the number is much higher.. if they were all honest.

I have a cousin who was molested from the time he was 2yrs old by a "friend of the family". By age 14...he was actively into drugs and recruiting other boys. He's now 46 and has spent 90% of his adult life in prison. Good-looking guy with a genius IQ. What a waste.

12 posted on 05/03/2010 8:41:49 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Hey, I guess it depends on why he’s doing it. Am I putting up with it for cash and toys, like this young gent? Do I want him to?

Is he forcibly raping me? (That’s what it would be, in my case.)

In my own case, I’d want to beat him off my with whatever was closest to hand, even a pickle jar. (Why was a big pickle jar in the bedroom? Who knows?)

If done for the other reasons, some folks will obviously feel differently.


13 posted on 05/03/2010 8:43:22 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Maelstorm
I'm having a hard time with this one. The boy was 15 when this started? So did the guy overpower him and rape him, or did the kid "give in"? Why didn't he tell someone? Why did he continue to go over to the guy's house after the first time it happened?

If this had started when the kid was 7 or something, I could understand it - the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing. But he was 15.

I just don't get it.

14 posted on 05/03/2010 9:09:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Well it started well before he was 15. The press is really horrible at leaving out the details.

Watch this for the full picture. Also the Hurley character had a history of manipulating young men. It was the reason he was fired from a city job.

Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmeMLv6yeo


15 posted on 05/03/2010 9:14:33 AM PDT by Maelstorm (They'll take the money you earn, take the minds of your children, and take your right to disagree.)
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To: LaineyDee

We live in a culture of denial today and it is disgusting. It is especially disgusting that so called “conservatives” refuse to fight harder on these issues. We defend marriage but won’t take on directly a bunch of activists who openly tolerate the targeting of underage boys. Its in their literature, its in their iconography, it is in their efforts to rollback the age of consent at a time when young people are even less capable of making adult decisions than possibly ever before.


17 posted on 05/03/2010 9:19:43 AM PDT by Maelstorm (They'll take the money you earn, take the minds of your children, and take your right to disagree.)
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To: Maelstorm; MrB; worst-case scenario; a fool in paradise

I look at it in the same way we have the “abused wife/girlfriend/child” syndrome, while I have tremendous sympathy, we are a nation of laws and should expect everybody to make an honest attempt to follow those laws.

How many times have you heard of a guy who’s ruined by a flimsy and false accusation from wife/girlfriend/child?

I don’t know if we’ve gone too far in believing the victim act the expense of our founding principles (innocent until proven guilty), but we should expect victims to at the very least to try at least one their options before taking the law into their own hands.


20 posted on 05/03/2010 10:19:32 AM PDT by maddogconservative
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To: maddogconservative

In an earlier article, the prosecutor did not deny that the 2 figures had a sexual relationship. Just hinted that maybe it was consensual. Despite the kid being UNDER the age of consent.


21 posted on 05/03/2010 10:22:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: Morgana

I seem to recall a case from Texas that dates back to the 1970s or so. An adult man had gotten a kid to lure other teenaged transients/runaways/drug addict males over to his house where I seem to recall they were raped and murdered. Eventually he rose up and killed the adult and I think he still serves time in prison for his own role in the abductions/murders.

I don’t remember the names involved but it comes up now and again in the local (Houston) media.


22 posted on 05/03/2010 10:26:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: Travis McGee
Homos can't reproduce, they can only recruit.

As long as there are heterosexual parents giving birth there will be homosexuals.

IMO people become homosexuals because of parents who don't know what the hell they are doing.

23 posted on 05/03/2010 10:29:30 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t care.

The kid had the free will to go over to that guy’s house. The kid chose to go over to that guy’s house.

The kid is a hustler, pure and simple.


24 posted on 05/03/2010 10:47:59 AM PDT by maddogconservative
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To: maddogconservative

So you don’t believe in age of consent laws then? Any teen who goes over to an adult’s home for attention, sex, drugs, gifts, and money is wise enough to know what they are getting into?


25 posted on 05/03/2010 10:49:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: Travis McGee
Homos can’t reproduce, they can only recruit.

That's CRAZY talk...

26 posted on 05/03/2010 10:50:16 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: a fool in paradise

No, I believe in age of consent laws, in fact I believe we should arrest and try Duane Hurley for violation of those laws. Oh wait he’s dead, we can’t do that.

Any non-mentally retarded teenager knows if you go to some guys house for attention, sex, drugs, gifts and money realizes that they will get attention, sex, drugs, gifts and money. Teenagers have grasped the basics of cause-effect. The hustler knew going in that he Hurley wanted to have sex, yet he still went over to his house.

Look at it this way, if a girl drinks too much at a frat party and passes out, somebody will have sex with her. Are those guys guilty of rape? Yep. Is it her fault she did 13 Jello shots in two hours? Yep. Should she shoulder some responsibility for being irresponsible? Yep. Should she get off if she buys a gun and kills the boys who had sex with her?


27 posted on 05/03/2010 11:36:52 AM PDT by maddogconservative
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To: Maelstorm
The Chronicle-Telegram
28 posted on 05/03/2010 12:00:04 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Maelstorm
at a time when young people are even less capable of making adult decisions than possibly ever before.

I agree with all your points.....especially this one. At 17, I was much more mature than most 30yr olds nowadays. We live in a culture that is almost surreal in what kids expect from their parents and society to provide them.

Obviously, this kids craved what he couldn't have....and made some really bad (immature) choices...in order to get them. The story said he had a girlfriend he was wanting to impress and needed the car and cash to do this.

IMHO the man probably pushed some buttons with this kid..... which caused him to snap. Why else would he have given up the cash cow? Did the guy threaten to expose him to his gf/peers if he didn't do what he wanted? The story is vague.

29 posted on 05/03/2010 1:09:18 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: LaineyDee

This guy started with Daniel when he was 12/13. The crime clearly indicates Daniel had a huge amount of anger as is normal in abuse cases. He stabbed him over 50 times. Abuse fuels such things. What probably changed things was when Daniel acquired a girlfriend. I would be surprised if Daniel’s parents knew something was not right but tolerated it. I watch his mother and she just didn’t talk like a Mom who had a son who was on trial for murder and who had been molested for years. The Dad appeared more concerned for his son but I can’t help wonder why you would ever let kids run around with an older guy like that.


30 posted on 05/03/2010 1:19:42 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Tyranny thrives when the people are silent.)
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To: Maelstorm
I can’t help wonder why you would ever let kids run around with an older guy like that.

Well... you can't cure stupid. I'm over 50 and even back in the day where things were much safer...my parents would not allow any lone adult... male or female....relative or not...to take us kids anywhere. (with the exception of my grandmother)

The adults knew not to ask.

31 posted on 05/03/2010 1:32:55 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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This is the "gay" life. There are some good links on the thread. Check 'em out. Homosexuals "groom" adolescents and children, they pick out lonely, vulnerable kids and shower them with attention and goodies, gradually working up to the sexual molestation. There is no scum worse than these people and execution is needed to put a stop to this. Most homosexuals were molested as children and adolescents. How many lives were ruined because of this evil man?

32 posted on 05/03/2010 1:35:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: LaineyDee
... you can't cure stupid. I'm over 50 and even back in the day where things were much safer...my parents would not allow any lone adult... male or female....relative or not...to take us kids anywhere. (with the exception of my grandmother)

In the 50s, one brother turned 16 and went for a job interview at small appliance repair shop that was run by a guy working alone. Our dad went with him.

33 posted on 05/03/2010 2:15:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Morgana
pretty much...
34 posted on 05/03/2010 2:36:25 PM PDT by Chode
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Wouldn’t it be great to find out someday. Total communist upbringing, plus the gay seduction by a trusted mentor putting the bad mojo on young Barry.


35 posted on 05/03/2010 3:03:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Albion Wilde

That’s what I mean. Parents were very involved in their children’s welfare then. Baby-sitters were rare and typically reserved for a special night out; curfews were enforced and you had to tell your parents where and who you’d be out with. (then always expect your parents to double-check with other parents) Trust but verify... was the motto.


36 posted on 05/03/2010 4:27:23 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Maelstorm

Yep, for most it’s a pathological and destructive lifestyle.

And there is no doubt that “grooming” works. In Samoa and other Pacific Islands, a bizarre culture developed. The first two boys in a family were raised to be men, the rest with the girls to be gay. And it works. To me, that pretty much settles the debate on whether it’s genetic or a result of manipulation of the young.


37 posted on 05/03/2010 5:36:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Maelstorm

90% of the male homos out there were molested by adult homos. These perverts have been getting away with pederastic behavior since ancient Rome. The sickos want your kids and they are eventually going to have full access.


38 posted on 05/03/2010 7:09:36 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Maelstorm

Why didn’t he tell them the guy was raping him and he fought back, and the guy was killed. Presto magick-o, he’s not guilty.


39 posted on 05/03/2010 9:02:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: LaineyDee
Parents were very involved in their children’s welfare then.

The Law of Unintended Consequences: the interstate roadway system built under Eisenhower's admin unintentionally unleashed a raft of anti-family forces. People started commuting long distances, hollowing out the close neighborhoods and the idea of companies staying in the community. Kids were able to go farther and get back faster. People started hanging on to relationships that in the past would have meant a day trip, diluting the power of relationships nearby. Enrollment in universities far away, as well as the road trips glorified by Jack Kerouac and the hippies became possible for more young people, diluting home values and ties. Add television and cell phones to the mix, universities declaring 18-year-olds to be old enough for sex in the dorms, as well as leftist lawsuits to allow middle schools to administer abortions to 12-year-olds, and we have now lost all control of our children.

40 posted on 05/05/2010 7:28:18 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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