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Signs of Neanderthals Mating With Humans
New York Times ^ | 5/6/10 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 05/06/2010 3:45:02 PM PDT by antidemoncrat

Neanderthals mated with some modern humans after all and left their imprint in the human genome, a team of biologists has reported in the first detailed analysis of the Neanderthal genetic sequence.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: deomocrats; dna; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mating; napl; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; progressive
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Of course they did. Where do you think Progressive came from?
1 posted on 05/06/2010 3:45:02 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat

The pics in this thread oughtta be rich.


2 posted on 05/06/2010 3:45:27 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: antidemoncrat; Slings and Arrows; Daffynition; martin_fierro

“thread Title begging to be exploited” ping


3 posted on 05/06/2010 3:47:22 PM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: antidemoncrat

No picture, but Barbara Mikulski d-MD sure comes to mind.


4 posted on 05/06/2010 3:48:08 PM PDT by Thanks RR Rest Well ("Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on getting Paul's vote")
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To: antidemoncrat

5 posted on 05/06/2010 3:48:23 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: antidemoncrat

Ummm, just thinking here.

If ‘Evolution’ is true, then we are the decendants of Neanderthals, right? Thus, Homo Sapiens was a mutation that was ‘successful’ and from a single mutation, Homo Sapiens emerged as the dominant species - eventually wiping Neanderthal out.

So, if we had a single mutation - for the mutation to propogate wouldn’t it be impossible for that mutation NOT to spread without interaction with Neanderthal? Further, if Homo Sapiens is a mutation, how could our DNA not contain Neanderthal code - as that would be the logical progenator.

This is about as amazing as saying that a child has DNA similar to that found in his parents.


6 posted on 05/06/2010 3:49:24 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: antidemoncrat

7 posted on 05/06/2010 3:49:34 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: antidemoncrat

8 posted on 05/06/2010 3:50:41 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: antidemoncrat
Signs? Here's a few:


9 posted on 05/06/2010 3:53:31 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: antidemoncrat
Signs of Neanderthals Mating With Humans

Condoms made out of bark?
10 posted on 05/06/2010 3:53:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: antidemoncrat; SunkenCiv
Not new to me...I've always believed this.

An unknown, extinct human was just found in Siberia...we (living humans) have his DNA too. How many more like him are out there?

11 posted on 05/06/2010 3:54:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: antidemoncrat

You would not be surprised if you lived in Massachusetts. The evidence is all around you here!


12 posted on 05/06/2010 3:54:27 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Oh you know a Helen Thomas picture is going to be in here before all is said and done.


13 posted on 05/06/2010 3:55:05 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom
Oh, don't be silly.

There are some things even a Neanderthal won't do.

"I wouldn't hit it with somebody else's stone axe."

14 posted on 05/06/2010 3:57:06 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: antidemoncrat
The Leipzig scientists assert that the interbreeding they detect did not occur in Europe but in the Middle East


15 posted on 05/06/2010 3:57:37 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SunkenCiv
Ping. Maybe we should ask a Neanderthal.
16 posted on 05/06/2010 3:57:37 PM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: VRWCmember

How dare you frighten me like that! I almost started shooting the screen!


17 posted on 05/06/2010 3:58:23 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: Battle Axe

18 posted on 05/06/2010 3:58:46 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Hodar
If ‘Evolution’ is true, then we are the decendants of Neanderthals, right?

The thought it that for the most part modern humans and Neaderthals were separate branches of the humanoid family. There was some mixing, apparently, but it would be more correct to say that Neanderthals and modern humans each evolved from a common ancester, and not too far back in each line, or they could not have interbred. A donkey and a zebra can interbreed, as can a wolf and a coyote. Doesn't happen much, but it can.

19 posted on 05/06/2010 3:59:49 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: antidemoncrat
Signs of Neanderthals Mating With Humans

I remember those signs from The Flintstones. "Please Don't Mate With The Neanderthals."

20 posted on 05/06/2010 4:02:43 PM PDT by decimon
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To: antidemoncrat

By “human” do you mean “homo sapiens”?


21 posted on 05/06/2010 4:03:50 PM PDT by x
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To: Hodar
Evolution is an observed mechanism, and under the theory of common descent of species we and Neanderthals could share a common ancestor without the human species having any descent at all from Neanderthals.

Dental analysis for a long time has indicated that there was Neanderthal descent among European populations.

DNA analysis, now that it has found this evidence, can give a quantifiable figure, like 4%. So out of every 100 great to the n-th power grandparents that a typical European person has, it is likely that 4 of them were Neanderthals.

22 posted on 05/06/2010 4:06:28 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Dr.Deth

That’s the one I was looking for!


23 posted on 05/06/2010 4:08:01 PM PDT by farmguy
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To: AnAmericanMother

He kinda looks French.


24 posted on 05/06/2010 4:12:34 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: antidemoncrat
Kieth Olberman is proof of this.
25 posted on 05/06/2010 4:13:17 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: El Gato

This preposes that there were a spontaneous creation of some population of Homo Sapiens.

Unless I’m mistaken (and I often am), isn’t Neanderthal actually older than Homo Sapiens? Thus, the logical assumption I’m going from is that a mutation of a Neanderthal mating resulted in Homo Sapiens, and this mutation was adept at surviving until sexual maturity, where it’s progeny created more Homo Sapiens.

And as these Homo Sapiens reproduced, at some stage the obvious differences between Homo Sapiens and Neanderthal, this would lead to a separation of the species. Homo Sapiens being more frail, but smarter would eventually replace the more rugged but less intelligent Neanderthal.


26 posted on 05/06/2010 4:15:13 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: antidemoncrat

I thought this was another Sandra Bullock/Jesse James story.


27 posted on 05/06/2010 4:16:57 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Spok

bttt


28 posted on 05/06/2010 4:17:27 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: antidemoncrat

Signs?

They really posted signs?

Must have been the humans. Neandros didn’t read or write very well...

Are you sure? Really sure? Signs?


29 posted on 05/06/2010 4:18:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Hodar
You seem caught up in the delusion that there must somehow be an unbroken line, with the line that gave rise to Neanderthal dying out when Neanderthals came about in Europe and never perhaps ALSO spawning the line that gave rise to modern Homo Sapiens out of Africa.

One species doesn't die out simply because a new species arises from an isolated European population. That species can also give rise to other species that spread out over the Earth, and could perhaps produce fertile crossbreeds with that other older species.

Follow?

30 posted on 05/06/2010 4:18:49 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

They had cigars back then?


31 posted on 05/06/2010 4:25:54 PM PDT by Grut
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL!


32 posted on 05/06/2010 4:30:13 PM PDT by Dog
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33 posted on 05/06/2010 4:30:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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34 posted on 05/06/2010 4:36:22 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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Is that you Barry? Barry Hussein?


35 posted on 05/06/2010 4:37:26 PM PDT by TJC
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To: antidemoncrat
Neanderthals mated with some modern humans after all

Evidence that beer is older than we thought........

36 posted on 05/06/2010 4:39:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: antidemoncrat

bump


37 posted on 05/06/2010 4:41:33 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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But the new analysis, which is based solely on genetics and elaborate statistical calculations, is more difficult to match with the archaeological record. The Leipzig scientists assert that the interbreeding they detect did not occur in Europe but in the Middle East and at a much earlier period, some 100,000 to 60,000 years ago, before the modern human populations of Europe and East Asia had split.

Neanderthal DNA found in the populations that left Africa and later split off to Europe and Asia, but not found in populations that remained in Africa.

38 posted on 05/06/2010 4:42:22 PM PDT by Will88
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Neanderthals mated with some modern humans after all and left their imprint in the human genome...

Of course they did. Their offspring are running around Washington right now...every day.

39 posted on 05/06/2010 4:52:01 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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The evolutionary timeline goes roughly like this: homo habilis (handy man), homo erectus (upright man), and then a branching out. For this topic, the branches include homo neanderthalis (Neanderthal man) and homo sapiens (wise-guy wise man). There are plenty of other homos (heh), but that's basically the route.

The research indicated 1% to 4%. The 4% you, allmendream, mentioned is the high end. They compared the genomes of only five modern humans. One person to represent each 'race'. Sample size of 1, miniscule, to represent an entire population. Also to be considered is that some of the Neanderthal genome was reconstructed using software and current understanding of how DNA is chemically degraded; maybe there was some bias towards reconstruction in a modern human direction? The researchers' hypothesis is that admixture with a small number of Neanderthals occurred as modern humans - a relatively small group of them - were exiting Africa into Eurasia. That's why, to them, Neanderthal genes are so widespread, based on the five genomes they compared against. And why the Middle East is mentioned; the researchers argue that most of modern humanity, not just Middle Easterners, have a little Neanderthal ancestry.

Dental analysis does not mean much in terms of ancestry. Neanderthals also sometimes had red hair, which might lead some to conclude continuity between Neanderthal redheads and modern redhead descendants. But the Neanderthals' red hair was caused by a different mutation than moderns'; it's just that both mutations shut off eumelanin production in hair follicles. It definitely did not indicate. At most it suggested. Maybe there is something about the foods in that region that select for a particular tooth shape, just as maybe there is something in that environment that causes selection for red hair - or conversely the rest of the world causes red hair to not be favored?

And even if this research is correct in declaring that most humans have a small degree of Neanderthal ancestry, there is absolutely no way Australian Aborigines are homo erectus. The date of divergence, according to evolutionary theory, was far too long ago, the distance is much greater than that between homo sapiens and Neanderthals. They could not breed offspring. And yet Australian Aborigines can produce fertile offspring with white people - and presumably with members of other 'races' - to the same extent as other interracial couples. Not to mention, at least one Australian Aborigine has had his genome sequenced, and he came out homo sapiens. To make a long story short: DNA infinitely trumps morphology in providing evidence of descent.

http://www.sciencemag.org/special/neandertal/feature/index.html

40 posted on 05/06/2010 5:26:45 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: antidemoncrat

and that explains the Geico commercials.


41 posted on 05/06/2010 5:34:51 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: antidemoncrat

Neanderthal had larger brains, so a little dose of their chromosomes may not be a bad thing.


42 posted on 05/06/2010 5:41:28 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Beowulf9
and that explains the Geico commercials.

I submit that "I'd hit that" might be older than "So easy even a caveman can do it."

By the way, the article didn't say whether they could tell which way the coupling went--male Neanderthal, female Cro-magnon, or the other way around. Either way, it's hard to tell if it was love or rape from a distance of 75,000 years.

43 posted on 05/06/2010 5:44:11 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Will88
"100,000 to 60,000 years ago"

This would suggest that it was the first [successful] exodus out of Africa by modern humans that mixed a bit with Neanderthals. Which also suggests that most non-African people have ancestry from this first exodus, and not just the second one. Although homo sapiens Europeans were living among Neanderthals for a while, maybe their Neanderthal ancestry comes from that rather than from a Middle Eastern dispersal of the first group.

44 posted on 05/06/2010 5:53:19 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (Waiting until things cool down)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Europeans were snobbier than Middle easterners.They said they didn’t consort with that type but ...


45 posted on 05/06/2010 5:55:11 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: allmendream

I know of guys Now, that look like that.


46 posted on 05/06/2010 6:22:18 PM PDT by lrb111 (resist)
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Helen Thomas pix in 3...2...1...


47 posted on 05/06/2010 7:04:34 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Just another day in Oceania.)
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48 posted on 05/06/2010 7:13:57 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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We're in the latest topic, there have been four this week, and back on the 22nd Pharmboy posted the first (I believe) of the latest spate. Here's the archival list, and I think this is close to all of them, drawn from the four usual keywords (neandertal, neandertals, neanderthal, neanderthals):
49 posted on 05/06/2010 7:18:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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I prophesied it.
50 posted on 05/06/2010 7:28:34 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Just another day in Oceania.)
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