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Neanderthals, Humans Interbred—First Solid DNA Evidence -Most of us have some Neanderthal genes
nationalgeographic ^ | May 6, 2010 | Ker Than

Posted on 05/07/2010 12:04:44 PM PDT by JoeProBono

The next time you're tempted to call some oaf a Neanderthal, you might want to take a look in the mirror.

According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them—at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup.

The study uncovered the first solid genetic evidence that "modern" humans—or Homo sapiens—interbred with their Neanderthal neighbors, who mysteriously died out about 30,000 years ago.

What's more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, shortly after modern humans had left Africa, not in Europe—as has long been suspected.

"We can now say that, in all probability, there was gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans," lead study author Ed Green of the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a prepared statement.

That's no surprise to anthropologist Erik Trinkhaus, whose skeleton-based claims of Neanderthal-modern human interbreeding—previously contradicted with DNA evidence—appear to have been vindicated by the new gene study, to be published tomorrow in the journal Science.

"They've finally seen the light ... because it's been obvious to many us that this happened," said Trinkaus, of Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, who wasn't part of the new study.

Trinkhaus adds that most living humans probably have much more Neanderthal DNA than the new study suggests.

"One to 4 percent is truly a minimum," Trinkaus added. "But is it 10 percent? Twenty percent? I have no idea."


TOPICS: Science; Society
KEYWORDS: cromags; dna; genes; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; jpb; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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1 posted on 05/07/2010 12:04:44 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

is that his dick showing?


2 posted on 05/07/2010 12:05:30 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: JoeProBono

IBTHTP.


3 posted on 05/07/2010 12:06:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: JoeProBono

40%, because that is the percentage of Democrats.


4 posted on 05/07/2010 12:06:09 PM PDT by NewSlavery (uote)
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To: al baby

5 posted on 05/07/2010 12:06:26 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

I say the biggest neanderthal is in the White House. And I’m not talking about Barack.


6 posted on 05/07/2010 12:06:33 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I'll just say the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is there for a reason!)
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To: JoeProBono

RACIST!!!


7 posted on 05/07/2010 12:06:42 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: Lazamataz

It sounds like an ancient relative of your “Hit It” with a Neanderthal... ;-)


8 posted on 05/07/2010 12:07:32 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: JoeProBono

“modern” humans—or Homo sapiens—interbred with their Neanderthal neighbors...”

Sure, it’s so easy even a caveman could do it.


9 posted on 05/07/2010 12:07:48 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Communism is a dead letter". Ortega y Gasset)
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To: JoeProBono

IBTHTP


10 posted on 05/07/2010 12:08:01 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (The Constitution. How quaint.)
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To: JoeProBono

Ooo, I like hairy men! I can see the attraction between the two species. Tee-hee.


11 posted on 05/07/2010 12:08:43 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: ConservativeMind

12 posted on 05/07/2010 12:10:50 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: al baby

I have heard that neanderthal chicks were hot. No homo in this homosapien.


13 posted on 05/07/2010 12:11:24 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: JoeProBono

IB4THTP!


14 posted on 05/07/2010 12:11:31 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: al baby

He’s just texting his sweethang on his blackberry. We’ll look like that after the reign of King Obama..


15 posted on 05/07/2010 12:11:45 PM PDT by Errant
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To: SunkenCiv
Of interest?

"What's more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, shortly after modern humans had left Africa, not in Europe—as has long been suspected."

16 posted on 05/07/2010 12:11:48 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: null and void; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Hoodlum91; Tax-chick

We knew this


17 posted on 05/07/2010 12:12:24 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt)
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To: DallasDeb


My cave woman mom ...
18 posted on 05/07/2010 12:12:28 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Cyber Liberty

19 posted on 05/07/2010 12:14:33 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
So we have 95% if the DNA of a Chimpanzee and 1-4% of a Kneeanderthol. This does not compute.
20 posted on 05/07/2010 12:14:48 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: JoeProBono
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21 posted on 05/07/2010 12:15:16 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: JoeProBono
Everyone knows this. It was chronicled in "Clan Of The Cave Bear"...


22 posted on 05/07/2010 12:15:29 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: raybbr
Why, oh why, do I look at Freep on Fridays???
23 posted on 05/07/2010 12:17:10 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

24 posted on 05/07/2010 12:18:20 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
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25 posted on 05/07/2010 12:19:32 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: al baby

Yes...He’s singing “Hang low...sweet chariot”...which was the ancient word for _______....


26 posted on 05/07/2010 12:19:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: DallasDeb
Ooo, I like hairy men! I can see the attraction between the two species. Tee-hee.

It's more likely that ancient Cro-Mags would take conquered Neanderthal women into the tribe. If there are guys who would screw goats, it's likely they would not have a problem with screwing Neanderthal women.

27 posted on 05/07/2010 12:20:08 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: DallasDeb

28 posted on 05/07/2010 12:21:46 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

“What’s more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, “

There must have been a shortage of goats.......


29 posted on 05/07/2010 12:23:54 PM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: Shimmer1

Indeed. Some of these offspring are still around.


30 posted on 05/07/2010 12:24:00 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 470 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: JoeProBono

How long until someone posts a pic of Helen Thomas?


31 posted on 05/07/2010 12:25:13 PM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: JoeProBono
I bred with a chick from the Netherlands in highschool. Well, not exactly bred, but I was a pretty happy guy.
32 posted on 05/07/2010 12:25:40 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: mountainlion
Not at all. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Our DNA similarity to a Chimpanzee is 98% for genetic DNA and around 94% for genomic DNA.

Our DNA similarity with a Neanderthal would most likely be 99% for genetic DNA and around 97% or more for genomic DNA.

That is just comparing DNA sequences. It was from ANALYSIS of human DNA segments and comparison with Neanderthal segments that made them estimate that out of 100 great to the nth power grandparent the typical person has, one to four of them was a Neanderthal.

Do you perceive the difference?

If you got a Lion Tiger mix to successfully breed into the Tiger population, a few hundred years later you might estimate based upon DNA that that Tiger population was around 1 to 4% Lion.

That doesn't change the fact that Lions and Tigers are whatever % similar when comparing their genetic DNA.

33 posted on 05/07/2010 12:26:08 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ConservativeMind

34 posted on 05/07/2010 12:27:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Touch Not the Cat


35 posted on 05/07/2010 12:28:25 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: starlifter
Why, oh why, do I look at Freep on Fridays???

Because it's fun!

36 posted on 05/07/2010 12:28:59 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: allmendream

Good reply.


37 posted on 05/07/2010 12:29:23 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: JoeProBono

Loved him in ‘Hellboy’!


38 posted on 05/07/2010 12:29:33 PM PDT by airborne ("It's a great day for hockey!" - 'Badger' Bob Johnson (RIP))
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To: null and void

Yea, have you seen the Uni-Brow bomber?
He is looks like a cave man for sure!!!!


39 posted on 05/07/2010 12:34:22 PM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: 9422WMR
He's a muslim. islam was conceived in a cave.

REAL prophets climbed mountains to be closer to God.

mohammed crawled into a cave.

40 posted on 05/07/2010 12:36:45 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 470 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: allmendream

I will wait for peer review.


41 posted on 05/07/2010 12:37:36 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: airborne


42 posted on 05/07/2010 12:39:01 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: James C. Bennett
Thanks!

It is also an oversimplification to say that because our genes are 98% the same as Chimpanzee genes that we are somehow 98% the same as a Chimpanzee; or that because our genome is some 94% the same, that we are some 94% the same.

That is analogous to claiming that because the tools you used to make your building were 98% the same as my tools, and your instructions were 94% the same; that our two different resulting buildings will be recognizably around 94% the same in capacity, resources, layout, function, etc.

A small change in DNA can make a HUGE difference. And huge changes in DNA can make no difference whatsoever.

But the difference between DNA sequences is an excellent way of estimating how closely related two species are and how long it has been since they shared a common ancestor.

43 posted on 05/07/2010 12:39:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: mountainlion
before learning anything about what you seek to opine upon?
44 posted on 05/07/2010 12:40:14 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: JoeProBono

I intend to look into this jean theory further. I hope that I can get some stimulus money to get to the bottom of this!

45 posted on 05/07/2010 12:40:49 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: allmendream

The snarky replies are usually attempts at feigned ignorance, to make the TOE seem absurd.


46 posted on 05/07/2010 12:42:32 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: null and void

Crawled into a cave? And then into a well? Perhaps he kept digging.


47 posted on 05/07/2010 12:43:24 PM PDT by abclily
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To: allmendream

Interestingly, lions have been interbred with tigers. They are called “Ligers”. Probably not in the wild though, they don’t really share the same habitat.


48 posted on 05/07/2010 12:44:16 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: al baby

Yeah. And some of us more than others.


49 posted on 05/07/2010 12:44:50 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: SMARTY

I was just thinking “beer goggles” are not a new invention.


50 posted on 05/07/2010 12:47:43 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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