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Police Taser Drunk Fan Who Heckled Tiger Woods At Golf Tournament
DailyMail (UK) ^ | May 09th 2010

Posted on 05/09/2010 10:14:06 AM PDT by Steelfish

Police Taser Drunk Fan Who Heckled Tiger Woods At Golf Tournament

9th May 2010

A drunken American who heckled Tiger Woods at a major golf tournament was Tasered by police when he refused to stop. Travis Parmelee yelled abuse at the shamed golfer at the second round of the Players Championship, close to the 11th hole in Sawgrass, Florida. The 36-year-old resisted attempts to calm down and became increasingly belligerent – which led to officers zapping him with a 50,000 volt stun gun.

Travis Parmelee is handcuffed and arrested after being Tasered by police for heckling Tiger Woods at the Players Championship in Sawgrass, Florida. Parmelee was charged with disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest at the event, which marks one of Woods' first public forays back into golf Parmelee was charged with disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest without violence.

Captain Dave Messenger says Parmelee had been drinking. The arrest comes four days after a Philadelphia police officer used a stun gun on a teenager dashing through the outfield during a Phillies baseball game at Citizens Bank Park. The use of a Taser on Parmalee comes just four days after a fan received the same treatment from police for running through the pitch during a Philadelphia baseball game

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: taser

1 posted on 05/09/2010 10:14:06 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Though not all recipients of tasering are innocent of transgression, I have yet to see a good explanation of how the device is anything other than a hi-tech cattle prod or a portable electroshock torture device.

There are good reasons that cattle prods and electroshock torture are frowned upon in the more civilized portions of the world. I simply don't see what exempts the Taser from these same reasons.

2 posted on 05/09/2010 10:19:30 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Steelfish

I’ve seen a lot of stories about lazy cops and security who pull out the taser as the first, rather than the last, response. That’s bad police and security work.

Having said that, if the cops are faced with someone who won’t calm down or respond to requests to surrender or stop, they shouldn’t have to put their lives at risk by continuing to ask nicely. If you are told to calm down and you continue to mouth off and act belligerent, don’t be surprised if you get smacked or tasered or roughed up.


3 posted on 05/09/2010 10:24:59 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: conimbricenses
I simply don't see what exempts the Taser from these same reasons

Well they cost alot more than prods so there's more money for the cop toy industry and they also discourage messy free speach around celebrities and finally they're nifty psyhic penis extension devices for the short dicks using them.

4 posted on 05/09/2010 10:28:48 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti

You my lad seem to have a problem with authority! Tsk Tsk!


5 posted on 05/09/2010 10:32:51 AM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: Doc Savage

Thanks Doc I needed that


6 posted on 05/09/2010 10:35:57 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Since when is rounding up a random unarmed drunk guy in a public forum "putting your life at risk?"

Even if the drunk decides to get physical, it's still the case that (1) he's not at the top of his game in terms of agility, and (2) he's vastly outnumbered.

A taser is a hi-tech cattle prod for cops who don't want to get their hands dirty and nothing more.

7 posted on 05/09/2010 10:37:54 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Steelfish
If I remember correctly Woods claimed to be injured at the eleventh hole and left the tournament, interesting!
8 posted on 05/09/2010 10:38:07 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Doc Savage
BooHoo Cheetah, Lyiny Woods, imperial celebrities

heckled Tiger Woods at a major golf tournament was Tasered by police when he refused to stop. Travis Parmelee yelled abuse at the shamed golfer at the second round of the Players Championship

9 posted on 05/09/2010 10:40:34 AM PDT by STD (islam a spiritual-legal-political Theocratic system of governance which is not to be questioned;)
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To: Steelfish

10 posted on 05/09/2010 10:47:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: conimbricenses
I have yet to see a good explanation of how the device is anything other than a hi-tech cattle prod or a portable electroshock torture device.

You are incorrect. The primary goal of using the device is to cause neuro-muscular immobilization of a subject. Thus rendering him unable to fight for 5 seconds until brought under control (i.e. handcuffing). "Cattle prod" devices are nothing more than electric delivery device on a very small area of the body and used only for pain compliance. Big, big difference.

The TASER device was an answer to the outcry for law enforcement to use less lethal means of apprehending dangerous or assaultive suspects.

Now there is an outcry against law enforcement using these devices. Admittedly, in many cases because of misuse. But the device is a handy tool for those extreme cases. Let's face it. Whatever means law enforcement uses to apprehend combative/dangerous suspects, there will always be those who decry such methods.

Then, it will be back to just the baton and handgun.

11 posted on 05/09/2010 10:50:11 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (If you don't want your sacred cow skewered, keep it in the barn.)
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To: Jagdgewehr
The primary goal of using the device is to cause neuro-muscular immobilization of a subject.

Just as I said - a hi-tech version of a cattle prod.

12 posted on 05/09/2010 10:56:22 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses

Incorrect. You can debate about the misuse of this device in this case without closing your mind to the facts applicable to the device and it’s original purpose.


13 posted on 05/09/2010 11:06:15 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (If you don't want your sacred cow skewered, keep it in the barn.)
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To: Steelfish
I say, we must rid ourselves of the great unwashed and return to members-only. It is bad form to heckle. Are we all becoming irish? My wife Bunny wet her knickers when the TASER was applied. Dreadful. Mind you, Bunny loves a good sting at home.


14 posted on 05/09/2010 11:15:29 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: Steelfish

Was Adam Sandler somehow involved?


15 posted on 05/09/2010 11:24:27 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: ninonitti

Any time a taser is used there should be a board of inquiry, just like when a officer has to shoot someone, tasers were believed to be non-lethal, but have been proven to kill occasionally. In my opinion they are used many times for the entertainment of those who are not of the right temperament to wear a badge in the first place.
Jack


16 posted on 05/09/2010 11:29:26 AM PDT by btcusn
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To: conimbricenses

LOL

In Germany, this cat would have been busted in the head, then taken away.

I think the TASER is safer for both the cops and drunk. And dangerous to the rest of us.

But, as always, YMMV.


17 posted on 05/09/2010 12:23:29 PM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: Jagdgewehr
The taser operates by delivering an electrical shock that is (1) inherently painful and (2) designed to debilitate the person by disruption of neuromuscular function.

Both functions occur simultaneously, and are inseparable from each other in its use. A taser cannot be used to cause pain without also causing neuromuscular disruption. It cannot cause neuromuscular disruption without also causing pain.

Its function is therefore fundamentally consistent with the cattle prod insofar as it induces involuntary pain compliance from the target, and differs only insofar as it uses technology to obtain this compliance with an additional neuromuscular disruption.

18 posted on 05/09/2010 1:27:55 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Jagdgewehr
Or to put it another way, you can build a new type of gun with a new type of bullet made up of a new "less deadly" material and with new safety features that make it difficult to accidentally fire or aim at the wrong target. But in the end of the day, it's still a gun. Calling it something else and touting its supposed "safety" does not change that (though it may delude the user to disregard his own basic training and safety precautions in its proper use).

And in the end of the day, a taser is still an electroshock torture device. It's a comparatively high tech one versus the cattle prods the Nazis had. But the concept is the same, as is the manner in which it is used.

19 posted on 05/09/2010 1:31:28 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Jagdgewehr
Then, it will be back to just the baton and handgun.

Fine by me. There are certain types of "enforcement methods" that are decried regardless of the method because all civilized culture and moral judgment has deemed them to be intrinsically barbaric.

We also don't draw and quarter criminals any more, stick them in a guillotine, brand them with a letter on their foreheads, chop off a finger for stealing, put them in the stockades on the town square, or inject them with drugs and tranquilizers to stop them in the act. Yet all would technically work for enforcing various goals of the law. And all have been used before to do just that, usually by societies that we correctly judge for their barbarism.

I'm simply saying that electroshock torture is also one of those things that fits into the category of things human beings shouldn't use as methods of law enforcement. Its history of abuse is simply too great, and it is fundamentally and unavoidably a method that causes significant pain.

20 posted on 05/09/2010 1:40:25 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses

To some people are no more than cattle. That is true.


21 posted on 05/09/2010 4:01:32 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: conimbricenses
The taser operates by delivering an electrical shock that is (1) inherently painful and (2) designed to debilitate the person by disruption of neuromuscular function.

Yes. I know. As an instructor for the device, I have been exposed to it numerous times. I know exactly what it does and how it feels.

Both functions occur simultaneously, and are inseparable from each other in its use. A taser cannot be used to cause pain without also causing neuromuscular disruption.

You are incorrect. A TASER can be used in drive stun mode to cause localized pain without the incapacitation. It is the probe mode (shooting the darts) that causes the incapacitation.

Its function is therefore fundamentally consistent with the cattle prod insofar as it induces involuntary pain compliance from the target, and differs only insofar as it uses technology to obtain this compliance with an additional neuromuscular disruption.

Incorrect. firstly, it does not "induce involuntary pain compliance" in drive stun mode. As a matter fact, most cops avoid drive stunning (the "cattle prod" affect) because it only further exacerbates the incident by causing the suspect resist even more.

When the TASER is used in probe mode, its purpose is to bring a combative subject under control....not compliance. Compliance is voluntarily given.

The electricity delivered through the probes has a very specific purpose, to override the subject's motor nervous system thus rendering him unable to violently resist. The current only affects the muscle mass between the probes. The TASER is not an "electroshock torture" device. It successfully ends violent encounters very quickly without injury to those involved on a daily basis all over the country. Of course, it isn't those incidents that make the news.

I have been in innumerable fights with assaultive or combative individuals who violently resisted arrest. I'm talking about dangerous felons. This was long before I knew what a TASER was. In many of those incidents either I was injured, the suspect was injured or my partners were injured. If I had a TASER back then, nearly all of these fights would have been ended very quickly without injury to anyone.

I'm not sure what your life experiences are and I will do you the courtesy of not making assumptions. Perhaps there is much you don't understand or you are completely unaware of. Given your following posts, I will accept that you refuse to see my point of view. That's fine.

Again, it is very appropriate and necessary to debate the misuse of the device on a case by case basis without overreaction and misunderstanding about the merits of the device.

22 posted on 05/09/2010 8:49:21 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (If you don't want your sacred cow skewered, keep it in the barn.)
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To: Jagdgewehr
A TASER can be used in drive stun mode to cause localized pain without the incapacitation.

...in which case it would be functioning as an electroshock stun gun. But you're really just dancing around the issue at hand - the bottom line is that the Taser is a device that uses electrical shock to cause both pain and neuromuscular incapacitation. It's various hi-tech "modes" and "features" in delivering this shock are wholly secondary to the nature of what it is - a shock device. To speak of it as a device for "control" rather than "compliance" is really just the parsing of words because the effect is essentially the same - to coerce or coercively apprehend an unwilling subject. And that is done in a way that is inherently pain-inducing, even at its most limited settings.

And as a painful, debilitating, and occasionally deadly shock device, the Taser shares a common origin and nature with such other historical law enforcement "tools" such as the cattle prod and electroshock torture. In fact the ONLY differentiating feature is that those earlier inventions used a more primitive and less versatile technology in delivering the shock...which makes the Taser, as I originally said, little more than a hi-tech cattle prod.

As to the propriety of its use, I find arguments in favor of its convenience, ease of use, and even its relative (though certainly not flawless) record of safety unconvincing not for the reason that I doubt the favor the Taser has among police officers - they are clearly fans of the device given how widespread it has become. The fault with the Taser is the Taser itself by way of its means of operation through electrical shock. The civilized parts of the world deemed electrical shock for the purpose of inducing pain, compliance, control, or whatever term it is that such coercive acts go by to be inherently barbaric. Dressing up barbarism in technology and praising its convenience does not alter the fact of its barbaric origin.

23 posted on 05/09/2010 9:47:36 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Jagdgewehr
It successfully ends violent encounters very quickly without injury to those involved on a daily basis all over the country.

That of course depends on the definition of injury. I would argue that the piercing of the skin with two electrode prongs fired from a projectile device, the subsequent burning of those contusions by passing electricity through those prongs, and the likely direct result of the victim falling to the ground as a result of the muscle disruptions caused by that electricity may all be classified as an "injury." Perhaps a minor one, but an injury still.

And I would also contend that those minor injuries must be weighed along side the infrequent but indisputably known instances of the Taser inducing deadly injury among persons with certain preexisting cardiovascular conditions.

It is therefore inaccurate to portray the Taser, even in is most minor and routine uses, as an injury free device. Being convenient and relatively safe to use does not mean it isn't also inherently painful, or that its use isn't inherently coercive.

24 posted on 05/09/2010 9:56:00 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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