I have never worked on a computer that crashes more than an Apple.
Posted on 05/10/2010 8:41:04 PM PDT by Gomez
Nothing sucks more than being on stage in front of a bunch of techies and having your demo crash on you twice. Actually, the only way that sucks more is if you’re Adobe and it’s Flash that’s crashing on a mobile device, forcing folks to wonder if Steve Jobs was right about the stability of Flash.
This incident happened last week at FlashCamp Seattle, according to a blog post by Jeff Croft, a Seattle developer who also moderated a panel at the event.
(Excerpt) Read more at zdnet.com ...
Bill Gates and Microsoft would be amused.
ping
Software platforms are only as good as the developers who write for them.
This is an Apple suckup piece. The crash occurred on admittedly buggy, non-Apple beta software hooked to hulu which may have been at fault.
Yet “Steve Jobs may be right about Flash.”
LOL, fanboys never quit.
The pansy-boys that now inhabit the software industry would probably sue for damages for demanding this in the US, or have their house-servant do it for them if they're based in India.
Folks who know flash know why Apple has no time for flash on mobile devices. There are a number of threads here covering the subject but it comes down to the fact that Flash expects a mouse and mobile devices don't have one. End of story.
It has nothing to do with crashes and everything to do with compatibility of thousands of apps waiting for a mouse over which will never ever happen.
Anyway, no worries. This issue will resolve itself.
I have never worked on a computer that crashes more than an Apple.
The Historic Windows98 demo crash
Nothing is completely immune to crashing. My BSD Unix and Mac systems are more robust than my Windows and Linux systems, but none of them are 100% immune.
That's an application crash, not a system crash. As long as you can do a Force-Quit, the system is still fine. Applications crash much more often than the entire system.
None of my Macs have had a true system crash in many years of daily operation. They've done it, but it's been years.
The same is true of my Win7 systems. Applications hang and screw up, but as long as you can use Task Manager and shut down the errant app, so what? Blame the app, not the computer.
> I have never worked on a computer that crashes more than an Apple.
Then you've got some really 3-sigma-out experiences. I've worked with all these systems for decades, and OS-X is the most stable of the bunch, except for plain text-mode BSD Unix.
Now, pre-OS-X Apples, that's entirely different. Mac OS prior to OS-X was a piece of crap, stability-wise. Of course, Win95/98/Me was even worse, but those were the 90's...
So why in God's name was Adobe demoing it???
> ... hooked to hulu which may have been at fault.
Actually, no. It was hooked to Eco Zoo, which crashed twice. When asked to try Hulu, the presenter answered, "Hulu doesn't work", indicating that they already tried it and it failed. That may be Hulu's fault, I don't know. The Eco Zoo site apparently worked with a later version of the beta Flash in which some bugs were fixed.
So,... back to.... why did Adobe think it was a good idea to demo this piece of crap in front of people? It LOST them points overall.
I don't know how to say this without sounding harsh, but that comment says much more about your limited experience than it says about Apple.
Don't worry about sounding harsh - or wrong. I've had plenty of go-arounds with Apple fans.
As for my experience with Apple, I worked on them for two years every day 8 to 10 hours a day in a production environment. That was two years ago but I think recent enough experience. Apples crash. When they do, you lose your work.
Not since the early days of using PC's have I had to so routinely save my work while work is in progress so it would not be lost.
I probably should have not posted on this thread as I really do not have a desire to dig into the Apple / PC debate - again and again and again.
You have your Apple. I have my PC. If it works for you (you having an Apple) it works for me. Guess we still don't know, however, why Job's Apple crashed.
May your computing experience be free of beachballs.
Alright, so I'm not an expert on the types of crashes that Apple computers are plauged with. Thanks for clarifying that.
You have now entered the religion zone. Be prepared to be savaged by Mac zealots. "The OS never crashes - it is totally stable and we haven't rebooted for 3 years" and all that fantasy.
Been there before and I have no doubt I will regret it.
Did learn something interesting though... It is only considered a crash with an Apple if the entire system goes down, not just a application that freezes up and causes you to lose your work.
Do you think their zeolotry could be caused by watching that spinning beachball for three years while waiting for the application to start working again.
You apparently are not working with modern Macs. The software you were working certainly was not configured correctly. What in the heck were you doing??? Your experience is so FAR OUTSIDE of the professional experience I have had that it is either false, your IT department is totally incompetent, or you are using antique software that lacks autoback-up.
It's not fantasy if what we are telling you we have actually experienced. If you chose to disbelieve us, that is YOUR problem, not ours.
By the way, Guns, you might want to TRY reading the article... it was NOT an Apple computer that is being complained about crashing... it was a Nexus One mobile Phone platform running Google's AndroidOS. . . so your snarky comment missed the target completely.
If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.
He could have been using Adobe software on the Mac, as he claims to have used it in a ‘production environment’. The last two CS releases from Adobe have been quite terrible about crashing.
Absolutely. Happens all the time at tech demos. They generally are demonstrating the bleeding edge of tech, so sometimes you'll see the blood.
I always love the shots of Bill Gates standing on a podium in front of a BSOD.
Sorry your experience has been such.
For my 3 yr old Macbook it’s crashed once the whole time I had it & that was most likely my error.
My 6 month old mac mini has yet to crash.
I run pro-sound apps on both machines. It just works perfectly, every time.
Peace :)
Welcome Troll
One of the main reasons to forgo Flash on mobile devices is the way it eats CPU cycles (and power). It is one thing to push your CPU to 100% on a desktop and pay a few cents more on your power bill. It is another to have it suck up your battery and leave your mobile device dead in two hours instead of the expected 12...
Ryan Stewart was demoing Flash Player 10.1 on a Nexus One
Since when did Apple start making the Nexus One? OH - wait - that device is Google's own hardware... you know - that much acclaimed (by Windoze and Google Spyware Fanboyz) OPEN SOURCE platform...
It blows me away how we here on FR argue, spit, and vent about how liberals defame conservatives and this nation - with their vitriol and extreme bias and lies. Then "we" tolerate the same kind of attitude towards a single manufacture - Apple.
As has been pointed out on FR by many users - Anti-Apple folks tend to post lies, incorrect data, and spew hate and vitriol like posters on DU on every even remotely Apple-related thread like clockwork. Almost all with (though your post is an exception in this case) the term "fanboyz/fanboys/fanboiz/and more variations on a spelling). Then many accuse Apple users of being the ones hateful - yet cannot point to a single truly hate-filled anti-Windows post by an Apple user.
I just don't buy your statement that you have never worked on a computer that crashes more than an Apple. I have seen a grand total of 10 or 11 crashes on Apple hardware in my 16 years of using Apple computers. Some were due to hard drive failure (not made by Apple), the rest were the result of software that created conflicts (back in the old pre OSX days). NONE were because of virus or trojan infections.
Have I seen a crash-prone Apple computer - yes. It was damaged from a fall off an end table (was a Powerbook). Motherboard was cracked where the power adapter plugged in. The thing would start to boot and hard crash.
How much time have you spent using a Macintosh? How many different machines? What time frame? What machines? What OS? Usually when I read or hear such stories - the experience is limited to one machine - and quite often back in the System 8 days or before.
> Alright, so I'm not an expert on the types of crashes that Apple computers are plauged with. Thanks for clarifying that.
Oh for goodness sake, please learn something about computers, and stop mouthing off until you do. All computers are the same in that regard, Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever.
And Welcome to FreeRepublic, Newbie Troll. Hang around for a while (quietly, please) and you'll learn quite a bit here.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I know as much about the difference between a mac and a pc as anyone needs to.
You can deny that macs are not prone to the spinning beachball of death all you want but that won’t change the fact that mac users everywhere are at this very moment starting at that annoying thing.
As for my being a newbie, you don’t know as much as you think you do. As for my being a troll, when you throw out that smear you ought to at least have your definition of it correct.
Finally, it is laughable how fiercly mac users will defend the indefensible on nothing more than pure emotion. Me thinks misery loves company and wants the rest of the world to join them in using those wretched crash prone machines.
If you cared to, you could keep that in your scrapbook and post it on all Apple related threads, be they about Desktop, MacBook, iPhone, iPod, iPad, OSX or whatever. In addition, all new Apple products are met with dire predictions that "this time" Apple has stepped it and missed the mark. "This time" it will be an iFail. Then when the product is a record-breaking success they skulk off and wait to repeat themselves when Apple introduces something else.
Like you, I can't understand the emotional involvement some people attach to attacking Apple. Those attacks often include complaints about price and snarky remarks that they have just built a computer for themselves that runs twice as fast as a Mac, has twice the hard drive and RAM, runs open source for free, and they did it all for fourteen cents.
This hints that perhaps they would rather have a Mac but can't see the value no matter how often cost-to-own is explained and verified.
Some people would rather buy a used car and spend all their time and money tinkering with it, souping up this that and the other, than buy a new car and just get in it and drive it when and where they want. That is the way I see Mac users, as new car buyers. They are only interested in performance and reliability and from that comes the phrase "They just work!"
Different strokes for different folks but, as you say, us Mac users don't care what the others do and we never insult them, but they can't seem to resist the urge to call us liberal gay fanboyz while feeling superior about themselves. These threads seem to draw them like moths to a flame.
It's a sickness...
When in this conversation should I mention this marvel of ergonomic design?
What is it with mac and round?
Everybody knows Steve was right about that. Flash has a long history of being a crash happy resource hog. Of course that’s not really why he’s banning Flash, iPhone is closed to all 3rd party platforms including Java. But at least the criticism of Flash’s stability was accurate.
Well that too, on top of not working on such devices, if it did, it would yack.
> You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I know as much about the difference between a mac and a pc as anyone needs to.
Which is, obviously, very little. I've been designing, building, and programming computers since the early 70's, which I suspect was before you were born. I use them all, and I know precisely what I'm talking about, thank you.
This thread is about Adobe software crashing on a Nexus One mobile Phone platform running Google's AndroidOS. It has nothing to do with Macs or spinning beachballs. You introduced that topic, for the sole purpose of being a troll.
Now please go find some other thread to crap on, and grow up. You're boring. Good bye.
Well, as long as we're bringing up ancient history, let's look at one of Microsoft's hits.
Well, that explains your love of macs, you like a challenge.
That final ribbing aside, we've run the course on this Ford / Chevy style debate. I'm sure your Mac runs fine and you are happy with it. I personally don't see the need for one or that that it does anything so much better that I should own one.
The Ipad and Iphone are undeniably great advancements and something I definately am considering purchasing.
Sorry for dumping on the discussion so much. I should have known better from past discussions I've had on mac threads. All the best to you.
Yes. OS7, 8, and 9, would occasionally lockup on me, it always an ap crash though. Sometimes pushing Premiere or Photoshop too hard. Macromedia aps would crap out just because they like to.
SInce OSX, I can count maybe 3 or 4.
Overly aggressive, you got me. If I've sounded ignorant, that is either my fault or your love of mac getting in the way.
As a computer user I am very experienced. Programmer I am not even close.
I do very well with what some obviously very intellegent people intended for me to do with these machines that they created and advance. That experience is extensively in graphic design. I first put my hands on a mac when it could output a professional graphic font and the IBM could not.
Anyhow, enjor your mac.
I'm a PC dude. I do have some experience with the mac though, and am getting up to speed with iPhone development. So I am not yet at the "fan boy" level, but am working on it :-)
The reason I suggested you were being ignorant is that your original post actually illustrates what Steve Jobs was talking about. As has been explained already, that is an app going off into the weeds and tying up its message queue (not "crashing the system"). The only time I see that on my mac is when I am at hulu.com watching a flash video in the browser.
In this instance of Flash on mobile devices, at best, Flash is not ready for prime time. There have been multiple instances of Flash devices crashing Android phones during demos. The Adam Ink, which was supposed to be a challenger to the iPad, has been delayed partly because they can't get Flash to work on it.
I'm not sure how much of it shows up on FR, but I'm going to wildly guess that there are a lot of paid operatives on the web posing as consumers, making the case both for and against Flash on mobile devices. There's a lot of money involved here.
First, I am raising the white flag. I should not have jumped into this thread. But definately not a paid operative. I would not put it past companies, though, to do exactly what you suspect.
> Well, that explains your love of macs, you like a challenge.
Macs are okay, but I'm not a Mac partisan. I've used nearly every small computer ever made, and they all have their plusses and minuses. That's why I gave you the link to my profile page; it's all there.
And BTW, the REAL challenges were the homebrew computers I built in the 70's and early 80's. Did everything, hardware, software, BIOS, entirely from scratch.
> That final ribbing aside, we've run the course on this Ford / Chevy style debate. I'm sure your Mac runs fine and you are happy with it. I personally don't see the need for one or that that it does anything so much better that I should own one.
Computers are just tools. First you figure out what you want to do, then you pick the tool that best suits the tasks. Otherwise it's like buying a hammer before you know if you need a hammer or a pair of pliers. People ask me all the time, "What kind of computer should I get?" and my answer is a question, "What do you want to do?"
If what you want to do doesn't require a given type of computer, it would be silly to get one.
> The Ipad and Iphone are undeniably great advancements and something I definately am considering purchasing.
I've got an iPod-Touch (iPhone w/o the cell radio), and it's very handy. I prefer a dumber cell phone, so I've got a low-end LG Verizon cell. Works fine, does what I want a cell to do. Might get an iPad for my teenage daughter if she thinks it'll suit her needs. Maybe when they've matured a little more I'll find I need its features, but I don't see myself getting one in the near future.
> Sorry for dumping on the discussion so much. I should have known better from past discussions I've had on mac threads. All the best to you.
Likewise.
Anyway, I think -all- flame wars are stupid, whether about Mac vs. PC, EMACS vs. vi, SysV vs. BSD, etc. I find fanbois of all persuasions annoying, and my opinion of FReepers who join threads solely to slam other FReepers for their preferences is that they are twits. And it's unfortunate when things sometimes get out of hand.
So Welcome again to FreeRepublic, and enjoy your stay.
BTW, I liked your graphic of the USB beachball in #32. :)
Surely the author remembers the infamous PC crashes of Balmer’s and Gate’s...
I've asked you what you were doing... What software were you using? I worked with publishers in production environments using both the old pre-UNIX Macs and later with the OS X Unix based Macs... and what you describe sounds like what you would experience with the pre-UNIX Macs... not the later Macs. Not ONCE did one of the UNIX based Macs in these production environments, and there were dozens of them, ever have a system crash. I've been using OS X since it's release in 2001... and have had exactly three (3) full blown system crashes... and everyone of them occurred in systems before OS X.2.
And even under the old Mac pre-UNIX systems, the professional publishing software had auto-backup available—if it was turned on—which I made sure was done in every circumstance. So, either your software was not professional, or your IT people were incompetent, or what you are claiming is false.
Why would you mention the hockey puck mouse, a 13 year old design error that was quickly dropped, never to be repeated, in this conversation? What does That abortion of a design have to do with system crashes? Apple users almost universally panned that design... it was horrible to use. Does Apple make mistakes? You bet it does.
Your claim that the systems ran OS10 tells me a lot about your level of expertise... or lack there-of.
Well, back on the topic of Adobe and Flash... something is going very wrong over at Adobe, methinks. In my IT shop we’re hearing more and more complaints about pretty much everything adobe. From Flash to Acrobat. One of the harder parts of doing our XP to 7 upgrades has been getting all the Acrobat updates to work. Real pain in the butt.
Something isn’t right with Adobe. Quality control-wise.
Flash is definitely the number one pain in my *** on my Mac. It kills both Safari on my Mini and Opera on my eMac with alarming regularity.
However, I have to say... I don’t have these flash problems on my Windows box. So we still don’t know which party is truly responsible for Flash’s horrid state on the Mac.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.