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Toy Gun Sold in U.S. Can Easily be Converted to the Real Thing
FoxNews.com ^ | May 6, 2010 | Diane Macedo

Posted on 05/14/2010 11:18:22 AM PDT by grady

“The airsoft can be converted to an AR-15,” firearms manufacturer Leo Gonnuscio told FoxNews.com after testing the make and model of airsoft guns seized by the ATF.

Having concluded that several other airsoft guns could not be converted to fire real ammunition, Gonnuscio said he was surprised to find that he was able to to transform this particular gun to the real thing -- and with “minimal work,” because its bottom half, or “receiver,” is so similar to an AR-15's.

To make the airsoft receiver function just like an AR-15’s, Gonnuscio said, “All you have to do is drill one hole.”

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Len Savage seems to think this is true also. Perhaps ATF was right on this particular model?
1 posted on 05/14/2010 11:18:23 AM PDT by grady
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To: grady

LOL.

and Obama can be converted to Southern Baptist.


2 posted on 05/14/2010 11:19:46 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: grady
To make the airsoft receiver function just like an AR-15’s, Gonnuscio said, “All you have to do is drill one hole.”

Allow me to be the first to call BS.

You might, and I do stress might, be able to get it to fire a single round, once. But it would be a plastic hand grenade.

3 posted on 05/14/2010 11:19:52 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Yep...never would get that second round off....it would blow up in your face. F’in moron.....
4 posted on 05/14/2010 11:21:01 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: grady

I would like to see this demonstrated live. I call pure BS.


5 posted on 05/14/2010 11:22:39 AM PDT by doodad
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To: Lurker

So the Airsoft gun has a rifled barrel (.223) and a chamber that will tolerate the pressure? I don’t think so.


6 posted on 05/14/2010 11:22:46 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: grady

I say: show me.
I want to see them perform the operation and put multiple live rounds through it... while properly aiming.


7 posted on 05/14/2010 11:23:29 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: grady

This same story caused a ruckus in Japan about 15 years ago. Old news.


8 posted on 05/14/2010 11:23:32 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: grady

Thanks for the info Fox, I’ll get right on it..........Perhaps I’ll get my obnoxious neighbor to test it for me...............


9 posted on 05/14/2010 11:24:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: grady

Yeah.
I see a business opportunity here for producing $20.00 ARs.

Of course, all the customers would get blown up but what the hell.


10 posted on 05/14/2010 11:24:30 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: grady

11 posted on 05/14/2010 11:24:33 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: humblegunner

Kinda low on the repeat sales, though.............


12 posted on 05/14/2010 11:25:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: grady
Let him convert one, load it with standard milspec ball ammunition.... and he an pull the trigger... will I watch and roll tape from a safe distance.

What he is probably trying to say is that the AR-15 upper receiver, which is not serial numbered or regulated, can be attached to the air soft lower receiver.

13 posted on 05/14/2010 11:25:36 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: Lurker

The lower receivers cannot be matched to an AR upper. I read an article about this recently and talked to my machinist about it. This is one of those “all it takes is one drilled hole” whacko leftist tirades that is impossible to prove. And even if Gonnuscio could make it work, would he be the one firing the first shot?

Idiot!

OTOH, some AK variants with stamped receivers could be drilled to accept another body bolt, but you would have to purchase a conversion kit, something controlled by ATF, to make it full auto. This is probably where this r-tard got his idea.

SOSDD... re-treading old Brady lies.


14 posted on 05/14/2010 11:25:37 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: grady

Isn’t the airsoft pellet smaller than the 5.56mm bullet?
I’m not familiar with airsoft, yet...


15 posted on 05/14/2010 11:25:59 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: grady

And rubber bands can be converted into granade launchers! Keep them away from the chillin’!


16 posted on 05/14/2010 11:26:37 AM PDT by albie
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To: Spok

What is is probably trying to do is put a real upper receiver on an air soft lower receiver.


17 posted on 05/14/2010 11:26:59 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: humblegunner

OK with me if we sell the plastic guns to all the gangbangers around here. You’d make lotsa money and solve our gang problems at the same time.....not a bad deal!


18 posted on 05/14/2010 11:27:00 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The Initial Point in Politics: Our Constitution initialpoints.net)
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To: grady

I want to see Leo Gonnuscio perform this surprisingly simple conversion and then fire the weapon with a standard NATO ball round while maintaining a good cheek weld to the rifle.


19 posted on 05/14/2010 11:28:22 AM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Spok
Read the article.

The LOWER receiver on the airsoft gun can be modified to take the UPPER receiver of an AR.

Toy LOWER receiver.

REAL UPPER receiver.

All the bang happens in the upper reciever. Plastic lower receivers are already made in the U.S. GLOCK’s have plastic lower recievers/frames.

20 posted on 05/14/2010 11:29:06 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: grady

“You’ll shoot your eye out, kid.”


21 posted on 05/14/2010 11:29:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: grady

Any attempt to convert it will result in a lethal weapon...to the one pulling the trigger.


22 posted on 05/14/2010 11:30:32 AM PDT by kik5150
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
I googled 'Leo Gonnuscio' and found this. Kind Mountain Gun Works? Never heard of it.

If what this guy is describing is just taking the lower receiver, or stripped lower, as FOX shows in the article, and substitutes all the other parts (something the AR-pattern allows), then this may be doable, but the phrasing is disingenuous.

But if so, I can see why the ATF would be having kittens, since that's also the serialized part that their own regs considers the "firearm".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

23 posted on 05/14/2010 11:30:42 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: grady


They should put up or shutup. Prove it with evidence or just go away.
24 posted on 05/14/2010 11:30:57 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: grady
A piece of galvanized pipe with a cap drilled to receive a nail and a rubberband driving the nail will get at least one 12 gauge slug down range. Cost.....about $10 depending on how fancy you want to make it.
25 posted on 05/14/2010 11:33:04 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: grady
To make the airsoft receiver function just like an AR-15’s, Gonnuscio said, “All you have to do is drill one hole.”

And once that's out of the way, the rest is even easier. The AR-15 receiver is the only part of the semi-automatic rifle that is given a serial number, and is the only part that is regulated. All the remaining parts of the real thing can be purchased by anyone – any kid, criminal or terrorist.

The cost of buying the Taiwan-made airsoft gun and all the parts needed to convert it to an AR-15 comes to roughly $1,100 -- more than the cost of some real AR-15s. But someone who can’t clear a background check or has been refused a gun for any other reason could use this method to make his own lethal weapon, Gonnuscio said.

That could be a legitimate beef.

26 posted on 05/14/2010 11:34:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: grady

There are several toy guns which can have one or another .22lr receiver and barrel dropped into them with only a little dremel work. There are youtube examples of toy bullpups, etc. being ‘adapted’ to shoot .22lr. Upping the caliber is not all that difficult ...


27 posted on 05/14/2010 11:34:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: grady

Clearly bad information based on gross ignorance on the stress points, tolerances and operation of the internal parts of the AR-15 lower receiver. I can’t wait to see the YouTube tests.


28 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:13 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: grady

I think the story is almost on the level. The toy in question can be made into a fully operational gun by just adding a proper barrel, stock, trigger and firing mechanism. The excess plastic will have to be removed when that happens, of course.


29 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:19 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: fireforeffect

So all this really means is that today’s criminals can spend MORE money to create an unsafe, unreliable weapon versus one they can buy today on the black market, for less.

BY, the way, a commenter at the FOX site wrote this ...

“illrowland
I noticed they didn’t mention that if this supposed conversion actually fires 5.56 nato ammunition. I doubt the veracity of this so called expert. So they are saying this toy has a direct impingment gas system a .223 barrel, and can withstand 50k cup without blowing up in the shooters face? B.S”

He didn’t read the article either ;-)


30 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:19 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: OneWingedShark

Exactly.

If they can fire a whole magazine through this thing without it blowing up in their face,

we’ll listen to them about possibly restricting it. Possibly.

But it has to be the loudmouth that is stating this that does the firing.


31 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: grady
Almost a quarter of a century ago, SAAMI recognized potential problems with shooters assuming that the 5.56mm cartridge was identical to the commercially available .223 Remington round. Here is their 31 January 1979 release, with some minor errors corrected:

“With the appearance of full metal jacket military 5.56 ammunition on the commercial Market, it has come to the attention of the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) that the use of military 5.56mm ammunition in sporting rifles chambered for Caliber .223 Remington cartridges can lead to higher-than-normal chamber pressures and possible hazards for the firearm, its user and bystanders.

Tests have confirmed that chamber pressures in a sporting rifle may be significantly higher in the same gun when using military 5.56mm ammunition rather than commercially loaded Caliber .223 Remington cartridges, according to SAAMI.

SAAMI points out that chambers for military rifles have a different throat configuration than chambers for sporting firearms which, together with the full metal jacket of the military projectile, may account for the higher pressures which result when military ammunition is fired in a sporting chamber.

SAAMI recommends that a firearm be fired only with the cartridge for which it is specifically chambered by the manufacturer.”

Additionally, SAAMI's Unsafe Arms and Ammunition Combinations Technical Data Sheet page states:

The .223 Remington is rated for a maximum of 50,000 CUP while the 5.56mm is rated for 60,000 CUP. That extra 10,000 CUP is likely sufficient to cause a failure in a chamber that's only rated for the "sporting" .223 Remington.

The .223 Remington and the 5.56mm NATO, when checked with a chamber ream from a reliable manufacturer of each, also have discernable differences in the areas of freebore diameter, freebore length (leade) and angle of the throat.

(Ironically, given the nature of the on-line confusion exhibited by .30 caliber shooters, no similar SAAMI advisory is given concerning 7.62 NATO beyond the fact that those who have rifles chambered in "308 Winchester" shouldn't attempt to shoot cartridges marked "7.62x39" or "300 Savage." Well, duh!)

However, the estimable Clint McKee of Fulton Armory, has thoughtfully provided a brief monograph, The difference between 5.56mm and .223 Remington chambers in the AR-15®-type rifle, which explains this issue in greater (but quite readable) detail.

Olin's Winchester Ammunition site, in 2001, addressed this matter as well, in a concise monograph by Paul Nowak, and Randall Rausch has a number of excellent technical documents, with graphics displaying the differences between the two cartridges, available at AR15barrels.com. Of particular interest are headspace and reamer dimensions.

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http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

This article deals with "Real" guns and ammo. Not some toy. I'd like to see the actual claim tested. (from a safe distance.)

32 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:59 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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I thought this was already debunked. This is an old article, isn’t it, older than May 6th?


33 posted on 05/14/2010 11:37:08 AM PDT by jackibutterfly ( Palin is so under obama's skin, he hears 'Hail to the Chief' when he sees her.)
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To: grady

And Estes model rockets can be converted to carry tactical nukes...


34 posted on 05/14/2010 11:37:08 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: MindBender26

“What he is probably trying to say is that the AR-15 upper receiver, which is not serial numbered or regulated, can be attached to the air soft lower receiver.”

This is correct. The article is saying a standard AR15 upper receiver group (which would contain the pressure and can be bought without background check) would be attached to an airsoft lower.

In theory I understand the concern. In reality, drilling that “one little hole” and getting the geometry correct so that the gun is functional is quite difficult.


35 posted on 05/14/2010 11:37:15 AM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: grady

This is tard sophistry in action.

This is such an emotional tard argument and misdirection; why waste time on this to start with, so may others ways to accomplish the task. Sounds more like a construct to promote another issue in line with other phony issues/charges.


36 posted on 05/14/2010 11:37:26 AM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Yo-Yo

That could be a legitimate beef.

Only if owning an AR-15 were illegal.

And, it’s not...


37 posted on 05/14/2010 11:37:53 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: Lurker

That’s all the ATF cares about: it can fire ONCE.


38 posted on 05/14/2010 11:40:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: albie
And rubber bands can be converted into granade launchers! Keep them away from the chillin’!

The Jr Hi I went to way back when classified rubber bands as lethal weapons. I wish I was kidding.

39 posted on 05/14/2010 11:40:31 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 477 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: grady
In related news, "Tickle me Elmo"

can be converted into an aircraft carrier

by attaching 101,000 tons of steel and drilling a couple holes. Even before that modification, the similarities are striking!

40 posted on 05/14/2010 11:40:35 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Lurker; grady
Getting a "receiver to function" and getting a device to complete a full firing cycle more than once on a single trigger pull are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

A gun works well because it has a multiplicity of processes melded together for that purpose. A single process doesn't turn a chunk of plastic into a machinegun.

41 posted on 05/14/2010 11:42:50 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: grady
I've heard of people making a bomb out of a roll of toilet paper and a stick of dynamite.
42 posted on 05/14/2010 11:45:26 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
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To: Niteranger68

McGyver could make a bomb out of a paper clip and a chewing gum wrapper.


43 posted on 05/14/2010 11:47:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: chuckles
ZIP Guns are real.

BTW, you can stick together a bunch of shotgun shells and make them go off like a bomb ~ one almost got me years back ~ idiot mailed it to his wife's boyfriend ~ and it "went off" kinda'.

These deals aren't perfect.

I wouldn't use a shotgun shell ZIP Gun because of the inherent unreliability of getting a good ignition outside of the cleverly designed shotgun systems currently available on the open market.

44 posted on 05/14/2010 11:49:06 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: humblegunner

Make sure you only take cash and credit cards...


45 posted on 05/14/2010 11:50:48 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: grady

It may be possible to attach a REAL AR15 upper to this toy trigger group and make it fire, but I wouldn’t want to be the crash-test dummy who fires it. The barrel and bolt are contained by the (real) upper receiver, and the lower receiver (the toy part) has only the trigger assembly and magazine holder. I haven’t seen an Airsoft AR15, but if this story is true, it was pretty stupid of the manufacturer to make parts that would fit on a real gun.

The real problem is that the M16/AR15 receiver (the part that the ATF considers the actual “gun”) is a 2 part assembly, top and bottom, and the top part doesn’t have a serial number and can be purchased by anybody because it’s not considered the “gun”.


46 posted on 05/14/2010 11:55:34 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: WOBBLY BOB

All you have to do is drill one hole


47 posted on 05/14/2010 11:57:56 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: DTogo
And Estes model rockets can be converted to carry tactical nukes...

Good to know if I ever get locked up in a HobbyTown.
48 posted on 05/14/2010 11:59:41 AM PDT by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: MarkeyD

happened to me once. I built a JDAM from some D engines and some RC plane parts and blew the door down.

You would have thought a Janet Reno dance party started.


49 posted on 05/14/2010 12:08:54 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: Doomonyou
There is a difference between .308 and 7.62x51 NATO. I learned that the hard way in my Remington bolt action "Police" rifle. The throat is narrower in that rifle. .308 only. The NATO round slam fired. Fortunately, I had the muzzle pointed downrange when I was closing the bolt. Lots of gas in my face and unanticipated recoil. The good deal I got on the NATO ammo wasn't so good after all. I paid too much for the rifle to risk damaging it or being injured by the wrong ammo. C'est la vie.

I only shoot commercial .223 in my Savage bolt actions as well. The real AR15 is fine with NATO or .223.

50 posted on 05/14/2010 12:14:16 PM PDT by Myrddin
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