Skip to comments.Lost Season 6 Series Finale *LIVE* Thread
Posted on 05/23/2010 5:07:40 PM PDT by Lucky9teen
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What I MEANT to say...:)
Christian Shephard explained it best. There is no time in the eternal ‘now’. Everyone dies at some point, some before and some long after Jack. In spirit, they had agreed to come together to reunite in the closing scene.
They all died...eventually. What happened on the island, the flashbacks, and the flash forwards, REALLY happened. The “sideways” reality, as they called it, was somehow created by their collective consciousness after they all died. (This is my interpretation anyway. Anybody got a better explanation?)
Yes, after 30 minutes of trying to figure it out, I believe that is what happened too
It didn't matter how they got off the island. As Jack's father said we all have to die sometime. And they all ended up in the same place eventually. And in that place there is no "now."
Indeed it was, we’re content, it was a wonderful journey.
I would guess part of a successful television series is perfectly analogous to an athlete’s or rock star’s career...
Quit too early, and you lose revenue and the ability to really make a bigger impact in your field.
Quit too late, and all people remember about you is the pathetic guy who stayed in the game long enough to make people wish he had left, or the rock star playing in dives to people who have no idea who he is.
And at the last scene we see the original crash site, apparently with no survivors.
So none of it really happened?
After investing so much time in the show, I was really hoping for an ending that would wrap it up and explain the meaning of the entire thing.
I should have known better. Hollywood types can't resist the opportunity to give us a "meaningful" ending that few people can make sense of.
On Jimmy Kimmel, the guy who plays Jack is saying the show was about Jack all along, that it was his journey to redemption that mattered, and the people who were with him on that journey.
But Christian said everything happened. So was that supposed to be Oceanic 815 or the plane Lapidus was flying?
The entire flash “sideways” in the show occurs after they are all dead. Some soon; i.e. Boone. Some later -> Jack. Some waayy later -> Hurley (how many hundreds of years later), the new “Jacob” was semi-eternal.
The reference to everything that happened, happened was the dialog between Hurley and Ben “You were a great #1. You were a great #2” means that Hurley and Ben were the replacements for Jacob and Alpert. Even the semi-eternal die eventually.
They all eventually died and that trigger brought them all together in the afterlife. Why? Because of the shared experience on the island and the love that they had for each other. All of them, even Ben.
To answer your question: The plane at the end was Lapidus’ plane carrying Miles, Alpert, Kate, Sawyer, and Claire off the island and to points unknown. Jack dies at that point when the plane flies over.
Did they show alternate endings on Kimmel? I got a text from a friend who said they were actually Kimmel skits????? If thats true then a BIG f u to ABC
They were joke endings. Kinda funny.
joke endings?? When ABC says “watch Jimmy Kimmel for alternate endings” then I expect a freaking real alternate ending. Not a skit from a unfunny comic.
Was it the first level of purgatory, a lower plane of existence, or what? What the heck WAS the smoke monster? The Egyptian crap? The ability of these beings to roam the world, make people not age, etc.? Who were the Others? What was the deal with Electromagnetism? The cave of light? The temple? The giant statue? The questions are endless.
Apparently the answer from the writers was... who cares? It was all purgatory or whatever so anything goes & we don't have to explain ANYTHING. Just get the viewers all weepy with a happy ending, and they'll shut off their brains and ignore the fact that almost nothing ON THE ISLAND was ever explained.
Six Year Show Synopsis: Plane crashes. Everyone (maybe) dies and goes to purgatory, or otherwise some strange unexplained place. Weird stuff happens. Everyone hugs, kisses, flashes back, and then lives happily ever after in heaven, or the highest plane of existence, or whatever.
My opinion.... WORST... SEASON... FINALE.... EVER....
Alert: spoiler and the Gospel being preached (by a woman, no less).
By the fact that we have accepted that there’s no “now” in the church, we have a lot of lee-way for interpretation.
With my very Bible based Christian background with a heavy dollop of science fiction, I find that I can handle a breech in the space-time continuum, with an alternate or parallel history as a result and going on while the other events are in their loop(s).
I can’t accept the purgatory concept and am uncomfortable with everyone just being good enough to go to heaven/move on/ or whatever. I’m a believer that the dead in Christ are asleep in Christ, and will rise to meet him in the air someday. (Although I do believe that Romans 1 and 2 might apply, especially, “The righteous shall live by faith.”)
No, I would say that the alternate history went on, created after Jack’s heroics to restore the “heart of the island”. The church gathering is not in time, as you said, but eventually.
We don’t really know what happened to the pilot Frank Lapidus or to Richard. The ones we don’t see must have experienced another eventual gathering, I guess. Ben deprives himself of this one, at least as far as we experience.
I’m holding on to a parallel universe/alternate history, with each of our characters - those who haven’t already - finding faith and the one Way to their salvation, which comes from Jesus Christ. Eventually, these all find heaven - they go into the light.
Note that we know all along that Richard is a believer and that Lapidus says “Amen” when he achieves take off.
Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
You have to understand, that is PURE television marketing. It’s the same thing as the news teasing a story for 45 minutes, to get you to stay tuned (and watch the commercials) (that’s the only thing they care about).
They paid BIG money for the Kimmel show, the advertisers did, and they wanted as many people as possible tuning in. They showed them at the end, so they had as many eyeballs as possible watching the ads.
The fake endings were amusing, standard Kimmel fare, and to be honest, to be expected from Kimmel, that’s what he does.
They hype? That you can blame entirely on ABC and their advertisers.
That’s why I rarely watch network TV. It’s back to cable for me - Rescue Me starts soon!
I work in Marketing. ABC blatantly told people that there will be alternate LOST endings and having it be skits is bull. Its a great way to piss off loyal viewers who have stuck with this show for the past 6 years
Hold off on condemning it just yet. The more I think about it, the more okay I am with it.
I think they want you to decide for yourself what all the rest was - why the island was there, what the smoke monster was about (They kind of explained that the smoke monster was a mistake on Jacob’s part, by killing his brother, he created it.) (And when Linus was given another chance in the temple, it was the Man In Black giving it to him).
You kind of have to suspend your disbelief with this show, now - just like watching Kink Kong, you have to accept that a giant ape lived on an island with no mates or other apes, with dinosaurs and giant insects, and not knowing how they got there.
I also suspect they may have left themselves a lot of material to go back to, if they ever decide to make another show, or a movie, or even books. The island could be eternal, and they could have endless sequels and prequels with it. Will they ever go back? Who knows?
I work in marketing too - and I’m not disagreeing with you - but that’s how marketing in TV works. They’re the true sleazebags of the marketing world.
It actually is. Have you ever had the news on in the background, and they go to a break with “What everyday household item in your house will KILL you? Tune in later to find out!” - and it turns out to be some thing that could never happen in most people’s lifetimes?
It’s not exactly the same thing, but it’s the same family. It’s hype, and they do it all the time. Maybe not on your news, but here in the NYC metro area, the local news do it every freaking day. They do it to keep you tuned in.
They promised you alternate endings. Well, you got them. They didn’t say anything else, so legally, they were’nt lying. But the bit about only being seen on Kimmel and nowhere else (like on the DVDs, when they come out) should have been a HUGE clue.
Nice stretch. Hope you dont pull a hamstring with that stretch.
the bit about only being seen on Kimmel and nowhere else (like on the DVDs, when they come out) should have been a HUGE clue.
yeah, people totally shouldn't have expected it seeing how the freakin cast was on Kimmel. Instead we should just have expected alternate endings on the weather channel instead. Right? gimmie a break
“Kink Kong” indeed. Face it, the script is an incoherent mish-mosh.
I would expect, if they filmed any extra scenes, or alternate endings, they will be in the box set that will be released this summer. That’s how it works. There’s more money selling that kind of thing, than playing them on Kimmel. Heck, at the very least, they would have bought that last half hour, and showed them as part of the show, a continuation of the wrap up show earlier - they would have gotten enormous ratings and ad revenue for that alone. Or done a show next week, with more interviews with the cast and crew, so the real ending could sink in.
And it was about half the cast. No Kate, no Hurley, no Charlie - even the writers sent in film. If there were real alternate endings, you’d expect the writers to be there to explain them. I’d be mad about that too - they made it sound like everyone would be there.
You can be mad all you want to, but that’s how the TV/film industry operates. They did’nt lie, they had alternate endings. They did’nt say “official”, or “real”, and you and a lot of other people fell for it. Mission accomplished. They get fat bonuses for the ad revenue and ratings Kimmel got tonight (now that I think about it, Kimmel might have failing ratings...). That’s all that matters.
I did’nt invent it, or work in it. Instead of venting at me, vent at ABC, and let them know that because of this stunt, you won’t ever watch their channel, and specifically Jimmy Kimmel, ever again. It would be a lot more productive, and if enough people do that, the slimeballs at ABC might think twice about doing that again.
I agree. I really liked the characters and the finale wrapped up all of the characters’ stories nicely.
But, they completely ignored one of the most important characters, the island. So, I’m only partially satisfied.
All of the time they wasted showing the ALT timeline this season should have been used to answer questions about the island. Some of the ALT timeline was necessary for the ending we got, but what about the island? (Which was so important in seasons 1-3.)
After investing so much time in the show, I was really hoping for an ending that would wrap it up and explain the meaning of the entire thing.I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure if the word "Hollywood" explains the monumental failure of the Lost Finale.
I should have known better. Hollywood types can't resist the opportunity to give us a "meaningful" ending that few people can make sense of.
Hollywood gave us The Terminator series, which was a great depiction of time travel.
I thought Lost was going to be another such great depiction and though it flirted with science for much of its run it finally fell back on the Spiritual. Nothing wrong with that, if that's the kind of fiction you like.
Lost -- unfortunately in my mind -- turned out to be no kind of Science Fiction at all. It was a weird kind of ghost story or "Spirit Dream".
Which would have been fine if they hadn't teased us with SF for 6 long years.
I don't mind watching the show. I had many good conversations out of it with my friends and I believe that we came up with way better theories for what was going on than did the writers of Lost.
I believe what really happened is that they chickened out.
They were afraid, in the end, that the American Public can't handle good SF. They are sadly and stupidly wrong. But, they are also rich. And, like I said, I don't begrudge the time I put into the show.
Off topic but I also think that Avatar chickened out when it came to how much science they put in their story.
Actually, Jimmy said that and Matthew agreed. I would expect him to (that would make him pivotal, wouldn’t it?) and why spoil a very short segment, knowing it was all he was going to get on a short program with lots of guests. So he let it go.
I think the correct answer was upthread and recognizes that the point of life after death is the transcendance of the limitations of time and space under which we labor in life. I think they all died in the crash (I always thought so) and that this was purgatory because they were all extremely flawed at death and were going to need spiritual time to transcend. Many didn’t, it should be noted. Only about 20-25 people were in the church at the end and not all the major stars during the story. Only those who really grew to the stature that was necessary. Some are still on the Island, after all, and some are rattling around elsewhere.
If I had an element I couldn’t fit in, it was how the plane got off and what that means.
IT’s fun to think about.....my daughter thinks that the sideways universe is what happened because they didn’t realize they had died till they all started making contact with ea other and “remembered”
I feel ripped off. It’s the modern day version of Bobby coming out of the shower. Woops, bad dream. Or, woops, we were all dead anyway. Hated it.
ping for later reading, EPIC EPIC EPIC and best on television EVER. Will be interesting to see if the ratings beat MASH. If this thread stays open for awhile for post series discussion I’m in.
You are not understanding what happened.
This is true and everything on the island still happened. Some people aren’t naking this connection.
I stopped watching after the 3rd episode.
Then you are lucky
Yes, everything that happened on the island was real. To me, Oceanic 815 crashed, Wedmore and Linus fought to protect the island (each thinking their way was best), the MIB and Jacob struggled, the time travel, the deaths, the exploding jughead, all of it real.
The alternate time line was the Losties desire to rewrite their histories. But this "rewrite" didn't wipe out the Losties' memories of what happened to them when Desmond failed to push the button on that fateful day.
The long awaited show down between Jack/Locke (though not Locke) finally occured, but it was Kate that did him in...protecting Jack, whom she loved. (And Kate killed to protect the ones she loved).
I love the fact that Hurley took the island. (I always thought it would be Hurley).
I thought it terrific that Ben Linus was redeemed. Wonderful story telling.
And Jack got closure with his father, whom he had been seeking to please for all 6 years.
When Hurley said to Ben, "you were a great #2," I knew they were dead. When they died was irrelevant. The cast had gathered to wait for Jack. (Much like at the end of Titanic, when the cast was waiting for Rose)
The last scenes of Jack returning to the spot where we first saw him, bleeding out, looking overhead as Kate and Sawyer flew way. Then came Vincent, to wait with him while he died.
I feel after reading the thread that I'm in the minority, but I couldn't have a better ending.
To me, what the island was that important. It served only as the backdrop to the development of these characters. Hurley, Jack, Ben, Kate, Sawyer...
I always felt that Lost was Jack's story and to see him find his way, his place, and finally reconcile with his father was great. He died saving the island, sacrificed himself.
Matthew Fox for the Emmy! Even above Terry O’Quinn (I can’t believe I am saying that!)
The “alternate” was a sort of purgatory.
I think Jack’s son David was a way for Jack to resolve his issues with Christian.
It seems Frank, Miles, Richard, Kate, Sawyer and Claire lived a life off island after taking off in the Ajira plane.
Hurley and Ben lived probably for a very long time as protectors of the island. Hurley helped Desmond get off the island with Ben’s help by changing the rules.
Rose and Bernard eventually died on the island.
Is this how everyone else see it? I have trying to digest this since last night.
I have long (since Boon died) been a believer that the island represented some form of purgatory (although it became a little difficult during seasons 3-5) and that people "moved on" after they got their issues sorted out.
So did the wreckage at the end represent the crash (it looked just like the original crash scene) with no survivors...or was that the other plane...or was that simply an opus to the show?
I was a little dissapointed not to see Anna Lucia and Mr Eko. Maybe because they weren't together long enough to form a bond? I can't remember if libby was in the church. And I assume that is why Desmond did not bring Faraday.
Anyway...I hope the writers/producers do a Q&A...much like those of BattleStar Galactica did.
The "alternate" could be called purgatory, but, to me, it's the road the cast wished they had chosen. What intruded on that made-up reality is the love and connection each had with the other cast members. Then that life (real life) was preferred.
I think that Jack worked out alot with his son, but in the end, when he got to work it out with Christian... excellent.
I believe that Frank, Miles, Richard, Kate, Sawyer, and Claire did live a life after taking off in Ajira plane.
You are right about Hurley and Ben.
Rose and Bernard died on the island. As did Vincent. But eventually, they all died. Boone, Shannon, Charlie on the island. Locke at the hand of Ben. Ben and Hurely on the island way in the future. It didn't matter when they died, they were all there, in that church, to be together because (and I really believe this) those 100 days spent together were the best days of their lives.
I loved the ending.
It’s “You, All, Everybody...” ;-)
I think the end of the show was just showing the set. Now, if there were dead bodies scattered around, then perhaps I would have viewed it differently.
Libby was in the church with Hurley.
My 2 cents. Overall a good ending, but far too many commercials breaking up the story flow.
Those fans most interested in the character relationships are very happy with the ending as it gave them happy closure.
Those fans most interested with the mysteries/mythology of the series will be somewhat disappointed as many important questions (the numbers, lack of fertility, MIB and Jacob’s real identities, the Dharma initiative sponsors from MI, etc.) have been left unresolved.
I am in complete agreement with your assessment of Lost. Had the same exact thoughts this morning after I slept on it.
Until you got to the part about the plane. I disagree that it’s the Lapidus plane. IMO, it’s the original Oceanic plane. Because, afterall, the crash did happen and they were on that island. I think the Lapidus crew got off the island and eventually died - maybe of old age.
I also believe that protecting/saving the island meant protecting/saving the world.
It could very well mean that, but I wasn’t caught up in the island’s purpose as much as I thought it was a great backdrop for the development of the characters and “the save the world” motive only added to the character development.
In complete agreement with the commercial. Absolutely interrupted the flow of the story. Wow, a set of commercials every 4 to 5 minutes.
That was always a problem for the show. I actually gave up originally and left it ride for about two years. Then I happened to rent the first DVD, got the story without those hopeless and meaningless interruptions and finally understood what was going on. So, I was hooked from that point. Now, the fifth season was so weird I started to lose interest again (then my wife died and, rating far behind every other consideration, I lost my main LOST partner). So the fun began to go out of it. Then season six was too complex, given I'd not really seen enough of season five. But, the recap show helped a lot and I very much enjoyed the finale.
Good stuff from the guys at Bad Robot (and I liked that there was no audio on the final bug).
I heart Vincent.
Yes...I think you are correct. I need to watch the last 30 minutes again...but now I remember Christian's words to Jack about some dying before and some dying long after...by which I think he means Hurley and Ben.
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