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Tracking the Ancestry of Corn Back 9,000 Years
New York Times ^ | Monday, May 24, 2010 | Sean B. Carroll

Posted on 05/25/2010 6:22:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: gleeaikin

It indicates that there was a widespread agricultural methodology at work in the region. Modifying soil to make it more productive is far more complicated than selective breeding of plants.


51 posted on 05/25/2010 9:24:47 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: GSP.FAN


I hate corn in Europe we fed it to the pigs and no self-respecting person
would eat it....

To each their own (taste).

But somehow corn (zea mays) sustained multiple generations of Native
Americans (despite it being deficient in some essential amino acids;
compensated by eating beans with the corn).


52 posted on 05/25/2010 10:14:26 PM PDT by VOA
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To: JoeProBono

Is post 5 Mexican or Hopi?


53 posted on 05/26/2010 4:13:04 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: GSP.FAN

Grits man.....learn to eat grits. Grits, butter, salt, pepper, yummmm

Add cheddar yumm yumm

Add shrimp yumm yummm yumm


54 posted on 05/26/2010 4:14:52 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: SunkenCiv

You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.

I’m stealing it...


55 posted on 05/26/2010 8:02:06 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 489 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: GSP.FAN
I hate corn in Europe we fed it to the pigs and no self-respecting person would eat it....

Yes. Europe grows field corn, pretty much only suitable for animal feed.

Americans grow sweet corn, a much tastier variety, for human consumption.

56 posted on 05/26/2010 8:05:00 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 489 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
No, thank the indigenous people of Mexico. The modern Mexican is a mixture of (mostly) Spanish and Amindian ancestry, and the more “el Indio” you look the lower your place in their culture and society.
57 posted on 05/26/2010 8:05:06 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The three sisters - corn, beans and squash.


58 posted on 05/26/2010 8:07:55 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 489 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I enjoy corn anytime, but the best way is, grow it, pick it, husk it, cook it, eat it, in order, as quickly as possible. :’)

Yeah. My mom says have the water already boiling before you pick it.

59 posted on 05/26/2010 8:09:54 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 489 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: allmendream
I know who you mean.
They're 5 feet tall and brown and populate the areas from Oaxaca south. They don't generally speak Spanish.
Been there.
60 posted on 05/26/2010 8:31:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Yes, and amid the crushing poverty of the Mexican peasant class, the richest individual in the world is a (Spanish descended) Mexican.

The more Spanish you look, the better looking, professional, educated, smart, wealthy, etc Mexicans assume you are.

A very racist culture.

I remember when my ex tried to talk to our “el Indio” gardener (once every other weekend to mow the lawn and trim the hedges) in Spanish, he looked at her strangely and said “I don't speak Spanish”. He spoke English and his native Amindian language. Had no interest in learning Spanish and didn't much care for Mexico or Mexican culture.

Can't say as how I blame him.

61 posted on 05/26/2010 8:47:17 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
We noticed this many times while traveling in Mexico.
At the Tech in Monterrey, the administrators are tall, light skinned Mexicans, some with red or light hair.
The grunts were almost always a foot shorter and dark.
Then, further south, you can run into African heritage (via the Bahamas.) The Indians won't have anything to do with them.
62 posted on 05/26/2010 9:36:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: GSP.FAN
I hate corn

You haven't tried Olathe Sweet. Slather it with butter and salt and eat with something off the summertime grill. That's good eats.

63 posted on 05/26/2010 12:18:19 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Thanks!


64 posted on 05/26/2010 12:22:58 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: GSP.FAN
You obviously have never had properly prepared sweet corn. Or freshly baked corn bread. [I make it with a little oregano baked in.]

Nothing bland or boring about either--and I am a fan of Indian and Tex-Mex food.
65 posted on 05/26/2010 12:24:59 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: SunkenCiv
The lovely, ordinary potato was once upon a time condemned by the aristocracy as unfit for their own consumption. :’)

I've been reading Macauley, who has, to say the least, strong opinions. One reason he offers for the English being superior to the benighted Irish is they eat bread while the Irish have to eat that tuber.

66 posted on 05/26/2010 12:28:22 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

"Corn is niiiiiice!"

67 posted on 05/26/2010 12:30:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: colorado tanker
I've been reading Macauley, who has, to say the least, strong opinions. One reason he offers for the English being superior to the benighted Irish is they eat bread while the Irish have to eat that tuber.

I recall reading a similar sentiment about oats and Scots...
68 posted on 05/26/2010 12:35:00 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Nepeta
Yep, and don't even get him started on Americans!

The Victorians were a confident bunch, at least the aristocrats. Mack was certain he was a member of the most advanced race, living in the most advanced civilization in the best governed nation in the world. :-))

69 posted on 05/26/2010 12:43:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: allmendream; Eric in the Ozarks
You guys have hit upon one of the biggest fundamental problems with Mexico. The social divisions of Hidalgo/Gachupin (Spanish-born ruling class/Mexican-born of Spanish blood, lower status than Spaniards, but even the lowest/poorest still higher than natives), against the Indio (native born) classes have been fodder for revolt in Mexico for centuries.

Throughout Mexico's history, or at least since about 1700, one faction or another has traditionally gotten fed up and seized power by force of arms, oppressing either the general populace or the wealthy landowners respectively, and just generally plundering the country about every 60-70 years.

Then whichever group was on the outside would revolt, slaughter a bunch of regime supporters, and the whole crazy cycle would start over with a new crew of Kleptocrats, but pretty much always rotating between populist, Mestizo uprisings, and Hidalgos “recapturing the throne”.

Since the last great Mexican Revolution (~1910-1922), an essentially open border with the United States has pretty much served as the “safety valve” for the hardcore, corrupt, and utterly inept Socialist Elite Hidalgo cabal that seized power in the wake of the populist revolt's power vacuum, and which in spite of some back and forth political jockeying, has held on since the twenties.

They know they can plunder the country, and every time conditions get too bad at home, their disaffected Mestizo population just heads North. Mexico City encourages it because it furthers their leftist political goals as well.

They used to go home when things improved a bit. Now, mostly because of the drugs, it never does, and since there's so much more money (legal and illegal) for them here, they just come and stay.

In some ways, I can sort of understand that. If my choices were living under a Socialist/Narco dictatorship, letting my family starve (or worse), getting killed by drug runners, becoming a drug runner, or heading to Canada, I might pack a bag and start walking North too - although I'd probably stay and fight the drug runners, `cause I'm stubborn that way.

Ed Abby said it best when he suggested we meet every one of them at the border with a rifle and a box of bullets, and tell them to go home and fix their own problems. Then we can talk about being good neighbors.

70 posted on 05/26/2010 1:59:02 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: Brugmansian

I haven’t eaten freeze dried corn, but here in the Philippines we have sweet corn pudding and sweet corn flavoured ice cream.


71 posted on 05/26/2010 3:53:54 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: null and void

;’) Here’s your container of slaw.


72 posted on 05/26/2010 6:55:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Erasmus
"Elephants not being overly common in Oklahoma, I wonder how they knew when to harvest it."

Corn that grows "as high as an elephant's eye" is putting a lot of its energy into the stalk. Most corn around here (central PA) is bred to grow shorter, and have more energy for its kernels.

Different breeds of corn have different growing seasons and resistance to drought. So farmers chose the corn they hope will do best for their own particular environments.

When field corn is "finished" the whole stalk turns brown. But farmers are paid for corn by weight, less the moisture content. That's why some let their corn stand long after it's ready for harvest, so that it will somewhat "field dry" and save them the cost of having it mechanically dried.

It doesn't hurt field corn just to stand there weeks or months after it's ready for harvest.

In some years a corn crop fails, due to drought or cold weather, etc., and farmers will give up on producing sale-able corn. At that point they harvest whatever they have while it's still green, chop it up into silage and feed the whole thing to their livestock.

That's the only time I know of when they harvest green field corn. But maybe out west they do things differently?

73 posted on 05/29/2010 6:18:00 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

This day is not a total loss; I learnt something about corn.


74 posted on 05/30/2010 7:15:06 AM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
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