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Red-light tickets pile up
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | May 30, 2010 | Matt Lakin

Posted on 05/31/2010 7:37:08 AM PDT by don-o

Sherry D. Matthews swears she stops at every red light. The cameras say different.

They've disagreed 41 times since March of last year, according to Knoxville City Court records - sometimes as often as five times in a month. Matthews, who lives in West Knoxville, hadn't paid a single ticket as of last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at knoxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: redlight
The exponential growth of these things just might be feeding increased dissatisfaction with out of control government. Ya think?
1 posted on 05/31/2010 7:37:09 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Wouldn’t red light video straighten this out? It’s not like we don’t have the technology.


2 posted on 05/31/2010 7:39:42 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: don-o

All sorts of battles going on over these “legal theft devices” in Chattanooga, too. A Doctor friend of mine got a ticket for supposedly running a red light in Red Bank, TN, near Chattanooga. They sent him a video clip of the deed. Trouble was the video showed that he was indeed in the intersection when the light turned red. He’s fighting it and now the powers that be are trying to say that the white line painted across the road at the intersection isn’t the demarcation point for being in the intersection, even though that is exactly what TDOT regulations say.....


3 posted on 05/31/2010 7:42:13 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Thermalseeker

Did you see where some of our legislators tried to get the speed cam in Bluff City outlawed? (Between Johnson City and Bristol) It was reported that thing in bringing in $200k a MONTH. That seems hard to believe, but, I’m pretty sure that’s what I read


4 posted on 05/31/2010 7:46:07 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: don-o

In this woman’s case, she has run red lights 41 times. I’d say that she must believe that they don’t apply to her.


5 posted on 05/31/2010 7:46:34 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: don-o

Heard a story (can’t confirm veracity) where some high school kids faked their VP’s license plate on to a similar car then ran a bunch a red lights.


6 posted on 05/31/2010 7:49:44 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: Thermalseeker
They sent him a video clip of the deed. Trouble was the video showed that he was indeed in the intersection when the light turned red.

Here in Texas, he would lose. Being "in the intersection when it turns red" means nothing here. The law would say he sped up on yellow and got caught in the intersection on red and that he should have slowed down on yellow.

7 posted on 05/31/2010 7:55:34 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: centurion316

She probably has and there are a lot of bad drivers out there and I am all for hammering them.

But there are question on the accuracy. I recently saw someone get flashed in an intersection I use every day.

The sequence is green>yellow>quick red then a green right turn arrow, The driver in front of me got flashed (and I assume ticketed) rolling right on the red. Those of us who use that intersection know the sequence and when we see the yellow, we know the right turn green is going to come on. So we just keep rolling. But, we had better be coming to a useless complete stop, wasting gas and backing up traffic, or plan to donate to the fund.


8 posted on 05/31/2010 7:57:36 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: don-o
There was a story here last week about a lawyer who subpoenaed the red light camera to testify against her client. Then asked for a dismissal on the basis that the camera didn't show up. She won the case, though the judge didn't rule on the merits of her argument.
9 posted on 05/31/2010 8:02:20 AM PDT by apillar
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To: don-o

There’s a near war going on in Red Bank over the traffic cams. The citizens are outraged, but, as has become all too typical these days, the city is ruling against the will of the people. They’re writing similar amounts of tickets, but I don’t think they’re actually collecting on the majority of them. People around here are fed up with it and heads are going to roll come November.....


10 posted on 05/31/2010 8:05:31 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: apillar

I still giggle about the story of the guy in CA that got a picture of him running a red light and a fine of $40. So he mailed a picture of $40 to them. He later received a picture of handcuffs, and subsequently sent the real $40.


11 posted on 05/31/2010 8:06:13 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (3V3Ry71N' 084M4 D03z 83N3f17Z MU5l1mz. c01NC1d3nc3?)
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To: apillar
There was a story here last week about a lawyer who subpoenaed the red light camera....

I heard about that. Brilliant defense!

12 posted on 05/31/2010 8:07:36 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Thermalseeker
People around here are fed up with it and heads are going to roll come November.....

A happy thought on this somber day of reflection and memory.

13 posted on 05/31/2010 8:09:09 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: umgud
Check out: Using Speed Cameras To Send Tickets To Your Enemies
14 posted on 05/31/2010 8:15:15 AM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: centurion316

yeah, I don’t think I would like this woman one bit.


15 posted on 05/31/2010 8:17:32 AM PDT by Flightdeck (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Thermalseeker

Correct me if I am wrong, but these devices are owned and maintained by a private entity. It is illegal for that company to send tickets to potential violators

I have been told to just ignore the envelop that is sent, saying that you never received it. It has worked for several people I know that have used it as a defense.


16 posted on 05/31/2010 8:20:41 AM PDT by Dacula (Every good father has a plan for his family.)
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To: BullDog108

Ah Ha, that’s where I saw it.

THX


17 posted on 05/31/2010 8:21:05 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: Dacula
I've heard that, too. Unless they send it via Certified Mail I don't see how they could prove you ever got it.

Your screen name wouldn't have something to do with Dacula, GA, would it? I grew up about halfway between Duluth and Lawrenceville.

18 posted on 05/31/2010 8:24:53 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: don-o

There is not a uniform interval of time alloted for red light cameras, throughout Tennessee. Some use quicker time intervals between yellow and red than others, proving that these are nothing more than income producers for cities.


19 posted on 05/31/2010 8:26:54 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: Thermalseeker

Yep, Dacula, Georgia. I am next to 85 and H. Mill.

I took the name Dacula, because of Buckhead and the famous Kinkos fax incident.


20 posted on 05/31/2010 8:27:48 AM PDT by Dacula (Every good father has a plan for his family.)
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To: apillar

“There was a story here last week about a lawyer who subpoenaed the red light camera to testify against her client.”

A publicity stunt on the part of the lawyer. The fact is that we’ve been photo enforcing toll booths for years. You don’t see people running toll booths do you? I don’t.


21 posted on 05/31/2010 8:31:38 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Sans-Culotte

And if he’d already slowed, and the yellow was short? This ticketing-by-camera stuff is just ridiculous. Stopping on a yellow to avoid crossing an intersection while the light changes would cause more accidents and road-rage than gunning the car at the last minute. The purpose of traffic laws, I thought, is to regulate the volume and speed of vehicles and maximize safety. These new gimmicks lose that notion entirely. They punish for an infraction of the rule rather than for an act that affects traffic-flow or safety.


22 posted on 05/31/2010 9:03:56 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Dacula

Was Buckhead involved in the Dan Rather retirement services?


23 posted on 05/31/2010 9:04:07 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Shakey Jake said, " The hippies will never survive!")
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To: don-o

I slow down a block before the red-light camera, and roll down my window.

Then I accelerate like mad toward the yellow or red light, slam on the brakes, and flash a “V” for Victory sign as the camera takes my picture while I’m fully stopped before the crosswalk.

If they have stupid programmers, I can’t help it!


24 posted on 05/31/2010 9:04:20 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer calls opponents "Teabaggers". So we can call Kagan "Carpet Muncher." Right?)
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To: don-o

The problem I have with the cameras are when they shorten the amber just to make more people get caught, but at the same time there are people like the woman in this story who are just a menace who do need to get ticketed in her case I think some one needs to take a long hard look at her being allowed to drive, before she kills someone.

I just don’t buy that the camera is wrong 41 TIMES! More likely she didn’t notice while putting on her makeup and eating breakfast while catching up on the news from the morning paper all at the same time :P

My dad got busted by one (ya we have em up here in Ontario too) because he was behind an 18 wheeler (doing the limit cause the ticket showed the speed too) and didn’t see that the light had changed since the trailer was blocking the view of the lights, took it to court and they reduced it but wouldn’t quash it completely.

I haven’t noticed them shortening the ambers here at least and all the intersections with cameras have to be marked with signs to notify drivers. Also our cameras don’t focus on the left turn lanes so people caught out in the intersection making the left don’t get flashed either. So its not too bad, not sure they all work like that though.


25 posted on 05/31/2010 9:06:42 AM PDT by battousai (The mainstream media; as honest as the French are clean.)
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To: Thebaddog

Yes, he was the one who discovered that the font could not have been from a typewriter.

Kind of like Obama and his Sestak job offer claim.

How long has it been since you were in this neck of the woods?


26 posted on 05/31/2010 9:32:38 AM PDT by Dacula (Every good father has a plan for his family.)
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To: Dacula
I've been here a while. I remember that a fellow named Buckhead was on a roll with that caper as well.

And I think I really was in this site a lot during the Bush Florida recount. I was a witness to an attempted theft and a successful character assassination back then.

27 posted on 05/31/2010 9:43:04 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Shakey Jake said, " The hippies will never survive!")
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To: Sans-Culotte

I have a friend who got ticketed this way and the snap shot they sent her in the mail shows her car enter the intersection after the light turns red. She may have sped up when it was yellow, but she still was too late.


28 posted on 05/31/2010 9:43:51 AM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Paladin2

Most of the cameras here in CA also take video. You can even reivew it online.


29 posted on 05/31/2010 9:57:29 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Always Independent

That should make the situation pretty clear, yellow light timing not withstanding.


30 posted on 05/31/2010 10:30:03 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bobjam
You don’t see people running toll booths do you?

EZ-Pass

31 posted on 05/31/2010 10:32:58 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: don-o

How is she going to prove her innocence? Put her own camera on the post? This is a perfect shake down scheme for the less than honorable state and local governments.


32 posted on 05/31/2010 1:13:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Paladin2

My son got caught by one, so I decided to review it online. No matter how much he protested being not guilty, the video provided proof. Now it can be said that a cop might of let him slide being he entered the intersection as the light changed, you would lose in court trying to dispute it.


33 posted on 05/31/2010 2:42:39 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: TNdandelion
Yes, that is correct. I was on jury duty for a traffic case last year. It was not a red light camera. The cop stopped the guy, and his camera in his car showed the car getting caught on red while in the intersection. We found the guy guilty. The statute says you are guilty if the light turns red while you are in the intersection. The idea that you are clear if it turns red while you are in the intersection is an urban myth; at least it is here in Texas. When you see the light turn yellow, be prepared to stop. Yellow does not mean "speed up to get through the light".

After that case, I am very cautious with traffic lights. If I get rear ended by somebody who tires to speed through on yellow, that guy is going to be in trouble.

34 posted on 05/31/2010 7:37:53 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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