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Rock band (Rush) claims (Rand) Paul violated music copyright
AP via google ^ | June 3, 2010 | no byline

Posted on 06/03/2010 10:33:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise

Edited on 06/03/2010 10:34:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Canadian rock band Rush has sent a letter to Kentucky U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul, saying his campaign is violating copyright laws by playing their music without permission.

The Courier-Journal of Louisville reported that Rush's attorney, Robert Farmer of Toronto, had sent the letter to the Paul campaign. Farmer told the newspaper his objection is not political.


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TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: copyright; copyrightlaw; publishing; randpaul; rush

1 posted on 06/03/2010 10:33:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; Big Guy and Rusty 99; Brian Allen; cgk; ...

And a followup to this article:

David Byrne Sues Florida Gov. Charlie Crist For $1 Million
billboard.com ^ | May 24, 2010 | Gary Graff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2520443/posts

Why David Byrne Sued the Governor of Florida
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/;kw=[36885,163393]
RS: Would you sue a candidate that you supported if they also used your music without permission?
DB: Yes. This is not about politics or about Republicans, Democrats or Independents. This lawsuit is about maintaining control over the use of my identity and my music.


2 posted on 06/03/2010 10:34:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Kinda funny, Rush are known for being somewhat libertarian.


3 posted on 06/03/2010 10:36:56 AM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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To: a fool in paradise

This could be series.


4 posted on 06/03/2010 10:37:46 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: Paradox

As I pointed out with the update quote from David Byrne, some of the artists do this to defend their songs against all infractions.


5 posted on 06/03/2010 10:38:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I didnt see which song?


6 posted on 06/03/2010 10:41:23 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: a fool in paradise; Paradox; All

I actually believe David Byrne regarding his position. As someone who has written songs while a member of a bar band, many years ago and no where in Mr. Byrne’s league, there is an attachment.


7 posted on 06/03/2010 10:44:11 AM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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To: a fool in paradise

They also had YouTube take down video clips of their two new singles.


8 posted on 06/03/2010 10:44:14 AM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Same nonsense that Heart tried to play on Sarah Palin when the McCain Campaign played "Barracuda" at the 2008 GOP convention.

Heart to McCain/Palin: Back off on 'Barracuda'

These "artists" seem to be under the impression that they still own their songs rather than the record companies, which sell packages to radio stations, advertisers, campaigns, etc.

Paul should tell them to pound sand...

9 posted on 06/03/2010 10:44:41 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Thats correct, it sets a legal precedent if you DON'T defend your intellectual property..

10 posted on 06/03/2010 10:44:49 AM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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To: ├čudda├čudd

WSJ June 3, 2010, 1:25 PM ET Rush Plays Modern-Day Warrior, Slams Rand Paul Over Song Use
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/06/03/rush-plays-modern-day-warrior-slams-rand-paul-over-song-use/

In his letter, Farmer cited the Paul campaign’s use of a Rush song, “The Spirit of Radio,” to energize a rally.

According to the Courier-Journal Paul, also has used a line from that song in speeches: “Glittering prizes and endless compromises/shatter the illusion of integrity.” Farmer also cited the use of “Tom Sawyer,” another Rush song, in a fundraising video.


11 posted on 06/03/2010 10:45:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I do think Rush owns their songs.

Speaking of the other Rush, he pays Chrissie Hynde to play “My City was Gone.” Chrissie hates Rush, but she’ll take the money.


12 posted on 06/03/2010 10:46:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: a fool in paradise

“This lawsuit is about maintaining control over the use of my identity and my music.”

I don’t know. If songs can be played willy-nilly on radio stations, in juke boxes, on commercials, in grocery stores, etc., so long as they are duly cleared or purchased or whatever with the controlling publisher, I don’t see why a campaign can’t use it.


13 posted on 06/03/2010 10:50:16 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: dfwgator

Rush blows. Cheezy copy of Yes and early Gabriel Genesis. Rand Paul could do a lot better then Tom Saywer. Geedy Lee’s voice is grating.

Rush said he and Chrissie worked out a deal.


14 posted on 06/03/2010 10:51:10 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I am no expert, but I seem to recall some sort of “time clip” limitation regarding copyright. That is, if you play less than 10 seconds of a song or something like that, you can treat it like public domain.

This is just some distant niggling memory though and I could have gotten it wrong.


15 posted on 06/03/2010 10:52:04 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Tublecane

It is being played in association with a “pitch” for a product, political position, party, or candidate.


16 posted on 06/03/2010 10:52:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"These "artists" seem to be under the impression that they still own their songs rather than the record companies, which sell packages to radio stations, advertisers, campaigns, etc."

It depends entirely on the artist and their contractual agreements with their label. Some do own, outright, they're copyrights. Others own either a portion, or none at all. Yes, they do sell these distribution packages, but they don't lose they're copyright, just like a movie producer doesn't lose his copyright when a signs with a movie distribution company.

The law is well-settled here. If the copyright owner doesn't want it played someplace (depending on certain circumstances), it won't be played. Many artists have prevailed at trial in precisely these kinds of political campaign suits.

17 posted on 06/03/2010 10:52:21 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: a fool in paradise

Thanks!


18 posted on 06/03/2010 10:53:47 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: RobRoy
"I am no expert, but I seem to recall some sort of “time clip” limitation regarding copyright. That is, if you play less than 10 seconds of a song or something like that, you can treat it like public domain."

It's called fair use, and there are some limitations. As an example, a television show or tv commercial can't play something under 10 seconds, and then claim "fair use". The provision is meant primarily to give news organizations some latitude when reporting or commenting on certain events.

19 posted on 06/03/2010 10:54:15 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Frantzie

>>Rush blows. Cheezy copy of Yes and early Gabriel Genesis.<<

They don’t have Tony Banks’ rich chord progressions either.

A friend of mine gave me a copy of the DVD of Rush in Rio. I had heard of the band but wouldn’t know one of their songs. They seem to be pretty good musicians, especially the drummer, and I REALLY tried to like them, but it just ain’t working for me. Even the drumming, although technically amazing, is like watching high speed machinery. It just gets boring.


20 posted on 06/03/2010 10:55:01 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: a fool in paradise
Rush are heavily Libertarian/Objectivist influenced. This is about business, not politics.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

21 posted on 06/03/2010 11:01:43 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: RobRoy

Rush never worked for me. Geddy Lee’s voice was lame and the lyrics where as bad as U2’s. Neil Peart is a good drummer but Bruford of Yes of Yes is better and Phil Collins was an very good drummer. See his side band Brand X jazz fusion stuff.

Tony Banks is genius particularly with the Mellotron work (choral) which was like an early sampler. Depreche Mode Emu Emulator sampling work was great as were other groups I could name.

My only issue of Gabriel Genesis is the treatment of Hackett. Steve Hackett is one of my favorite guitarists. Gabriel, Banks and Rutherford in real life are rather stuffy blokes who attended one of Englands top public (our private) schools. Hackett never appeared to be a full member of the band.

I guess they treated him better than Roger Waters treated the rest of Pink Floyd.


22 posted on 06/03/2010 11:06:18 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: RobRoy

A lot of black rappers sample or rip parts of older white bands songs and usually have to pay royalties.

One of the weirdest most recent example was Kayne West (gag) ripped or sampled part of 1970s King Crimson 21st Century Schizoid Man. One of the strangest examples I have ever heard of.


23 posted on 06/03/2010 11:08:31 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: The Comedian

They are not my cup of tea but a politicians should ask the publisher (the people who own the song) for permission first.

They have a right because it might hurt the band (any band) because opponents of the candidate might be mad andthey could lose fans. They also have the right because they own the work.


24 posted on 06/03/2010 11:12:19 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Ann and Nancy didn't want the McCain camp using Barracuda because A&N are libs. But Ann and Nancy aren't the only writers of that song. The original guitarist and drummer both came out and supported the use of it, even though they very likely did not vote for McCain. I believe they said something like it's a kick-ass song and we get our royalties, so what's the big deal? My respect for them went way up after that (and I'm a huge fan of Heart's music). LOL!
25 posted on 06/03/2010 11:16:27 AM PDT by ncdrumr (Oooh, SarahCUda!)
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To: Frantzie

Exactly, cheesy has beens from a long past day. I’ve seen ‘em in concert in the early 80’s good stage show but yawn. Francis Farmer will have her revenge.


26 posted on 06/03/2010 11:19:44 AM PDT by enraged
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To: Frantzie

This thread went off track but I don’t mind. The coolest rip/rap I ever heard is Schooly-D’s “Sanctifying Rapper” sampled to Led Zeppelin’s “Kashmir”. It was on the original soundtrack of “Bad Lieutenant” until Led Zep sued. I found a copy of Schooly-D on eBay, shipped from Germany.


27 posted on 06/03/2010 11:22:52 AM PDT by printhead
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To: printhead

Well a little off track but rappers ripping songs are examples of music ownership rights being enforced.

It is Rush’s music and they have the right to say no.


28 posted on 06/03/2010 11:25:56 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: a fool in paradise
Flip this around some. What if Obama used Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the USA" at every campaign rally and on TV commercials without permission or royalties?

This has been stumbled on enough recently that every campaign should know to treat other people's intellectual property very carefully and get permission for everything, even beyond any bare minimum "pay the license fee to ASCAP or BMI and play it everywhere".

29 posted on 06/03/2010 11:26:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I am so immune to satire that I ate three Irish children after reading Swift's "A Modest Proposal")
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To: a fool in paradise

The world is torn asunder into sorry hemispheres.


30 posted on 06/03/2010 11:30:11 AM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Frantzie

My favorite band is old Genesis. Well medium-old too. I remember being in Wherehouse Records when I was first exposed to The Lamb when it came out. I was blown away. I actually own a few documentaries on the band on VHS and DVD.

I’m with you on Hackett. He played here in Seattle at the Triple Door last year and I was sick that I missed that. I’ve actually learned a few concepts, regarding stagecraft, from Gabriel. I bought a bunch of Lava Lamps at Garage sales (I have 9 or 10 now) and pre-heat before the gig and they add a nice look on stage.

Waters- a nutcase regarding Syd. As The Eagles said, “Get Over It”.


31 posted on 06/03/2010 11:39:26 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Except that it appears that the case is a bit different this time.

“Farmer, general counsel for the Anthem Entertainment Group Inc. in Toronto, which is RUSH’s record label, has sent a letter to Paul campaign officials informing them that they have violated copyright laws — and urging them to stop.”

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=141023


32 posted on 06/03/2010 12:00:07 PM PDT by dmz
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To: RobRoy

My friend saw the Selling England and Lamb tours. I saw neither. I saw And Then There Were Three. I got to meet them with others at a record store. After Hackett left there was no guarantee they would survive. There were not many people there. The Lamb is still one of the best albums ever made.

Hackett is a great player and appears to be a very nice guy. I know people raved about Gabriel’s stage prescence but in watching the You Tube videos he appeared to be gooid but not as incredible as people made him out to be. The Lamb stage prescience was top notch. The live muscianship was staggering.

I had some experience in stage craft but prefer to say less in this open forum.


33 posted on 06/03/2010 12:25:40 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Frantzie

I saw them in the very early 80’s at the Paramount in Seattle. I don’t know what the title of the tour was, but I consider it the “seconds out” tour, since I believe that is the tour that resulted in that album.

Regarding Gabriels stagecraft, he is just a great source of ideas. I really like the circular moving stage thing. You can only do so much with it, but it’s cool and makes the concert interesting.

My all time favorite, however, is the Pulse concert DVD by Pink Floyd. I owned it originally on Laserdisc.


34 posted on 06/03/2010 12:36:36 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: a fool in paradise
Notes from a die-hard Rush fan's take on this:

"I'm drinkin' up good vibrations, SunKist orange soda taste sensations..." and the enjoyment of a perfectly good Beach Boys song has been fornicated since I can still remember that commercial from the early 80s more than I remember the original lyrics

The Biden for Senate campaign of the 1990s took Patrick Doyle's Henry V "St. Crispin's Day" soundtrack and trashed it

A Hemmorhoid remedy actually asked Johnny Cash if they could use "Ring of Fire" in a radio spot for their product Thank God he and his record company stopped them cold

Metallica defended their rights against file sharing and as a result a small portion their popularity actually (and IMNSHO unjustifiably)took a hit.

Whether you like their music or not, the members of Rush have a right to defend their intellectual property.
Now, if they were to insult a previous president while engaging in an obscene display of kiss assery as was done by a former Beatle who has apparently forgotten what happened when another former Beatle loudly engaged in political chest pounding, that might be another matter entirely.

35 posted on 06/04/2010 7:14:00 PM PDT by StarfireIV (Atlas Punted)
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