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N.C. shipwreck speculated to be ghost of 1609
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | June 4, 2010 | Jeff Hampton

Posted on 06/04/2010 5:30:16 PM PDT by csvset

COROLLA, N.C.

A shipwreck exposed on the beach by winter storms could date to a time of commerce between England and Jamestown in the early 1600s.

Possibly the oldest known wreck on the North Carolina coast, the timbers and construction of the ship are very similar to the Sea Venture, the 1609 flagship of seven vessels that carr ied people and supplies to Jamestown, said Bradley A. Rodgers, a professor of archaeology and conservation in the maritime studies program at East Carolina University.

Remains of the Sea Venture rest off the Bermuda coast after it ran aground there in 1609 during a storm.

The wreck at Corolla grabbed attention after it was exposed following November nor'easters. On April 6, crews from the Wildlife Resources Commission, the Corolla fire department and residents hoisted it from the sand and dragged it on a sled to the lot near the Currituck Beach Lighthouse.

North Carolina underwater archaeologists and maritime history experts as well as students from ECU have since documented, sampled and measured the 12-ton wreck.

Plans are to transport it 90 miles down N.C. 12 to the Graveyard of the Atlantic Maritime Museum in Hatteras for display.

"It has a very unusual design," Rodgers said. "We couldn't believe our eyes when we saw that thing."

Now, an ECU graduate student will take on the historical research as part of his thesis, Rodgers said. D etails might be found in the United Kingdom's Public Record Office, Rodgers said.

"It's going to be a detective story now," Rodgers said. "He's going to have to follow every lead he can."

The ship is relatively large and probably carried valuable cargo.

"It may not be that hard to find something on this," Rodgers said. "It would have been a tough loss for whatever company sponsored it."

If found, records would show the name of the sponsoring company, names of officers, cargo, destination and possibly where and how it wrecked, Rodgers said.

Two months ago, researchers believed this wreck could be the HMS Swift, a British ship about 70 feet long and 16 feet wide that ran aground off Point Comfort in the Chesapeake Bay in 1698. Currents might have carried the ship southward.

A a closer look showed this ship was much larger, possibly 80 to 110 feet long and 30 to 35 feet wide, Rodgers said. Timbers were made from trees cultivated to bend for use in a shipbuilding style known as compass framing. The timbers, curved upward to form the ship's sides.

After 1650, builders used compound framing, connecting shorter sections of straight beams to form the curve of the ship.

The shipwreck is made entirely of wood without iron fasteners, another indicator of earlier origins. Tests on the timbers show the outer frame is made from oak. Other timbers appear to be made of an older wood such as chestnut, Rodgers said.

Residents Roger Harris and Ray Midgett found coins from the early 1600s encrusted on the timbers. Three fleur-de-lis symbols are visible on one side, but the bust of King Louis XIII on the other side is worn away. Midgett found a coin stamped 1603.

In his Manteo office Wednesday, Harris placed a ruler next to the penny-size, copper-colored coin for a measurement. "If you put it on a metric scale, it's right at 19-1/2 millimeters," he said.

According to his research, that is exactly the size this coin is supposed to be. Harris and Midgett found the coins stuck to the exterior of a concretion, a mass of encrusted materials about the size of a basketball.

Harris also found other items near the wreck, including a small metal wax seal stamp with the initials "T.M.," a skeleton key and a star-shaped rowel of a horseback rider's spur.

X-rays showed the concretion also held small cannon grape shot and straight pins, said Nathan Henry, a state underwater archaeologist. The rest of the ship's story will have to come from research by the ECU team, he said.

Jeff Hampton, (252) 338-0159, jeff.hampton@pilotonline.com


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 1609; ecu; godsgravesglyphs; northcarolina; shipwreck

Volunteers and members of the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission use fire hoses, hand shovels and heavy equipment to remove the sand and pull what remains of a shipwreck off the beach in Corolla, N.C. on Tuesday, April 6, 2010. The wreck could be the oldest shipwreck on the Carolina coast. (L. Todd Spencer | The Virginian-Pilot) Image 1 of 5

More pictures at the source link.

1 posted on 06/04/2010 5:30:16 PM PDT by csvset
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To: SunkenCiv

Shipwreck ping


2 posted on 06/04/2010 5:31:39 PM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

I am sure this “graduate student” is due for at least 10 years of government grants to “study” this wreck.


3 posted on 06/04/2010 5:36:41 PM PDT by nesnah
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To: csvset

Looks like the guy is taking a huge pee.


4 posted on 06/04/2010 5:36:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: csvset

Interesting. (Good video at site.)


5 posted on 06/04/2010 5:38:23 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: csvset

Only the most incredibly brave set off in ships for Virginia.


6 posted on 06/04/2010 5:39:53 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: nesnah
"I am sure this “graduate student” is due for at least 10 years of government grants to “study” this wreck."

Preserving our history and heritage is one of the more benign uses of taxpayer dollars.

7 posted on 06/04/2010 5:41:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: csvset
Details might be found in the United Kingdom's Public Record Office, Rodgers said.

He probably won't find much there, a better bet would be the National Maritime Museum, although the pickings are pretty thin for a merchant vessel of this era.

8 posted on 06/04/2010 5:45:12 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Constitution Day

Kakkylakky Del Norte PING


9 posted on 06/04/2010 6:22:53 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: csvset

Wow. How cool.

Get it up and out before the oil slick hits its and reduces any chance of recovery or restoration.


10 posted on 06/04/2010 6:40:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Thanks csvset.
the timbers and construction of the ship are very similar to the Sea Venture, the 1609 flagship of seven vessels that carried people and supplies to Jamestown
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11 posted on 06/04/2010 7:30:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for the Ping!


12 posted on 06/04/2010 9:00:05 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: csvset

BTTT


13 posted on 06/04/2010 9:06:06 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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To: csvset

Wow! I could have had a relative aboard that ship. Family records show that an ancestor came to Virginia on the First Supply in 1607-08. Nobody knows what happened to him, but his daughter came a few years later to claim his estate, married, and founded our line. The bones of that hulk are beautiful.


14 posted on 06/05/2010 4:45:29 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: csvset

Based on the pictures they sure don’t have a lot to start with. Best of luck to these guys working on this.


15 posted on 06/05/2010 4:54:16 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: SunkenCiv; nesnah; Extremely Extreme Extremist; patriot08; Jacquerie; Joe 6-pack; centurion316; ...
Here is a link to the museum mentioned in the article.

The Graveyard of the Atlantic Museum .

16 posted on 06/05/2010 5:31:39 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

Thank you csvset!


17 posted on 06/05/2010 5:34:08 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: csvset

Thanks!


18 posted on 06/05/2010 7:54:21 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: csvset

WOW!

Thanks for posting the picture.

I’ll look at the others.


19 posted on 06/05/2010 8:00:51 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: csvset

Very cool.


20 posted on 06/05/2010 8:43:52 AM PDT by agrace
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To: csvset

Thanks csvset.


21 posted on 06/05/2010 1:33:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: muawiyah

wow.


22 posted on 06/05/2010 1:36:43 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Outlaw Woman

My pleasure. I forgot my usual “shiver me timbers”, but that’s a break for everyone.


23 posted on 06/05/2010 1:55:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: csvset

WOW. Thanks. I love this stuff!


24 posted on 06/05/2010 3:03:54 PM PDT by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: csvset

Back in the late 70s, I spent many an hour 4-wheeling up the coast from Duck to Corolla. Back then, you had to drive on the beach at low tide to even get to Corolla. I remember seeing a few shipwrecks along the way. One in particular was obviously modern, but the were some wooden beams to be seen in a couple of places.


25 posted on 06/06/2010 2:41:07 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Elena Kagan is the man 0bama wishes he could be)
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To: csvset; SunkenCiv

The Sea Venture, which may have been a sister ship.

En route to Virginia the Sea Venture ran into a hurricane. As the ship foundered they spotted Bermuda, got as close as possible and ran aground. All survived. Bermuda produced plenty of food and over the months they built two small ships. They sailed to Virginia, only to stumble in on the end of the Starving Time. They decided to return to England, but as they were departing they encountered the new governor and resupply ships, so they changed their minds. Among them was John Rolfe, who had the precious stolen Spanish tobacco seeds that would lead to the tobacco boom and the success of the Virginia colony.

Those who remained behind in Bermuda lead to that British colony.

26 posted on 06/07/2010 4:27:56 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Thanks for the additional info.


27 posted on 06/08/2010 4:43:11 PM PDT by csvset
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