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Constitutional Amendment Idea
Self | 07 Jun 10 | Self

Posted on 06/07/2010 8:50:21 AM PDT by OneWingedShark

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To: OneWingedShark
What I like about your tax and money amendments is this:

You do not utilize easily manipulated concepts like GNP, GDP, "Money supply", or CBO estimates.

The tax problem is easily solved (once people are persuaded).

The fix for "coin money and regulate the value thereof" is much more complicated, which you seem to realize.

Nice start!

21 posted on 06/07/2010 9:15:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question)
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To: Filo

>The details about software (6. D. i. - iv.) appear to be overly specific for this type of document.

About the software details: I’m a programmer so that explains that.. somewhat. Another thing to consider is the current “Software Piracy”/copyright laws are such that legal backups... are questionable.

>I disagree with 8. a. ii.

While you disagree with 8-ii, I believe there is sufficient evidence to conclude that the “embryo” is another discrete human being as it is genetically distinct from its parents at the time of fertilization (biology def); brain-waves have been detected at 6 weeks (current medical def for “vegetative states”); the heart begins beating at 3 weeks.

Furthermore, the USSC disregarded state sovereignty when it unilaterally disallowed legal-bars on abortion and made abortion a “Constitutional right”... to undo that decision needs a Constitutional Amendment.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this point.

>8. a. v. seems a bit harsh.

Ah, but I like the cruelty here: consider it revenge for the legal system ignoring the right to a *SPEEDY* and public trial.

>8. b. overall seems redundant. Why differentiate between forcible rape regardless of when/where/how it was performed? I understand that the interstate part might be “required” for it to elevate to a federal issue, but I don’t think that requirement is sound - especially in light of the example of 8. a.

The interstate issue IS required to make it a Federal issue.

>Punishment for 8. e. (Conspiracy against rights) seems a bit lenient.

By defining what a Dollar is in Gold weight $1 would be worth about $55.

>For 8. f. punishments should be extended to and defined for employers or others who harbor illegals.

That wouldn’t need to be a Constitutional Amendment, I think... besides which, Interstate Fraud may come into play.

>For 8. g. (Perjury) additional punishment should be extended to those in the public trust who perjure themselves (police, politicians, prosecutors, judges, etc.)

I was thinking about that, but I thought that the ‘mirroring’ of whatever punishment was at the perjured trial was a more Just sentence overall. (Besides which, if a policeman were to perjure himself, by say lying about someone shooting him [in self-defense] then the penalty of that assault charge he leveled at that person would come right back at him.)


22 posted on 06/07/2010 9:31:51 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

>>I direct your attention to section 7... as well to your state constitution for its definition of “militia.”
>
>A militia isn’t private.

It’s public — THE Public.

>A militia still carries with it the stench of totalitarian government control.

From my State Constitution:
The militia of this state shall consist of all able-bodied male citizens between the ages of eighteen and forty-five, except such as are exempt by laws of the United States or
of this state.

>I want PRIVATE ARMIES!

I’m pretty sure that Section 7 would allow that.


23 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:21 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jim Noble

>What I like about your tax and money amendments is this:
>
>You do not utilize easily manipulated concepts like GNP, GDP, “Money supply”, or CBO estimates.

I figure that the definitions thereof were too easily manipulated (to our detriment). It is far easier & simpler to use a gold-backed Dollar... well this even destroys that level of indirection: the US Dollar would be that gold weight, not a piece of paper. (Also note that that weight of gold could be put into coinage at a lesser total purity.)

>The tax problem is easily solved (once people are persuaded).

Which problem are you referring to?
Having an Income Tax? Having it be Uniform?

>The fix for “coin money and regulate the value thereof” is much more complicated, which you seem to realize.
>
>Nice start!

Thank you.


24 posted on 06/07/2010 9:44:36 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Interesting, I would think that corruption of public employees and the political Just Us system (besides perjury) would be a huge problem left unaddressed.

Good ideas on economics.

25 posted on 06/07/2010 10:08:43 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You forgot to add “Repeal GCA68”.


26 posted on 06/07/2010 10:09:43 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: OneWingedShark; bamahead

BTTT


27 posted on 06/07/2010 10:11:51 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Red in Blue PA

>You forgot to add “Repeal GCA68”.

Nope. Check out Section 1/the very-first sentence.


28 posted on 06/07/2010 10:12:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
About the software details: I’m a programmer so that explains that.. somewhat. Another thing to consider is the current “Software Piracy”/copyright laws are such that legal backups... are questionable.

I'm in software as well but I don't think this level of detail or control is required at the federal level.

The smaller and less intrusive the federal government is (or any government, really) the better.

While you disagree with 8-ii, I believe there is sufficient evidence to conclude that the “embryo” is another discrete human being as it is genetically distinct from its parents at the time of fertilization (biology def); brain-waves have been detected at 6 weeks (current medical def for “vegetative states”); the heart begins beating at 3 weeks.

No argument there.

Furthermore, the USSC disregarded state sovereignty when it unilaterally disallowed legal-bars on abortion and made abortion a “Constitutional right”... to undo that decision needs a Constitutional Amendment.

Nor there. Roe was a horrible abuse of the judicial system.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this point.

Still true.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor abortion but I don't want the government involved, especially not at the federal level.

There are too many problems, immediate and potential, with allowing that level of intrusion.

You've defined life liberally at an early stage. How much earlier are you willing to go?

Reproductive cells are, after all, alive. Could the government, once satisfied that abortion is outlawed, go after masturbators and women who menstruate? I, for one, wouldn't put it past them.

And how about leaving the reproductive arena altogether? When the government is concerned with life at that intimate a level where do they stop? Can they outlaw smoking, eating fatty foods, failing to exercise? They already think they can to an extent - give them this additional power and who knows where it'll end.

Ah, but I like the cruelty here: consider it revenge for the legal system ignoring the right to a *SPEEDY* and public trial.

Agreed but it ignores the reasons for the slower trials not the least of which is that too much is illegal which is clogging the courts.

The interstate issue IS required to make it a Federal issue.

Then why is the Federal government allowed jurisdiction over murder?

By defining what a Dollar is in Gold weight $1 would be worth about $55.

Yeah, but conspiracy against our rights is tantamount to treason. I don't see why the firing squad shouldn't apply equally to those who sell nuclear secrets to Al Qaeda and those who run the Brady Campaign. . .

That wouldn’t need to be a Constitutional Amendment, I think... besides which, Interstate Fraud may come into play.

Perhaps, but much of this amendment is simply strengthening what's already there. The best way to cut illegal immigration is at the source - why do they come? For jobs. Make it impossible to employ them and they won't come.

I was thinking about that, but I thought that the ‘mirroring’ of whatever punishment was at the perjured trial was a more Just sentence overall. (Besides which, if a policeman were to perjure himself, by say lying about someone shooting him [in self-defense] then the penalty of that assault charge he leveled at that person would come right back at him.)

I still think those in positions of "authority" should pay substantially higher penalties for violating the public trust.
29 posted on 06/07/2010 10:13:01 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: screaming eagle2
why repeal the seventeenth amendment?

The 17th Amendment allowed the destruction of every last vestige and pretense of constituytional federalism left after the Civil War and was a prerequisite for passage and maintenance of the New Deal.
30 posted on 06/07/2010 10:17:33 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: Filo

>>Ah, but I like the cruelty here: consider it revenge for the legal system ignoring the right to a *SPEEDY* and public trial.
>
>Agreed but it ignores the reasons for the slower trials not the least of which is that too much is illegal which is clogging the courts.

That is addressed with Section 1.

>>The interstate issue IS required to make it a Federal issue.
>
>Then why is the Federal government allowed jurisdiction over murder?

Hm, good point.... I’ll have to think about that a bit.
I put Murder in there for the mandatory death penalty.


31 posted on 06/07/2010 10:18:47 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I agree with most of your general points.

But the gold standard just won’t work today because the U.S. and world economy is too large to hang on a single tiny and volatile commodity demand curve.

And the list of crimes is way too far into the weeds for a constitution.


32 posted on 06/07/2010 10:24:25 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: OneWingedShark
Where can it be added that:

No office seeker may take money to help his/her election chances, from ANYONE who is not a resident of the district/area which he/she wishes to represent?

33 posted on 06/07/2010 10:28:25 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo longt A)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I just wanted the death penalty for some of them... the others, like booting a politician from office for tax-evasion, I think are required at this point-in-time because nothing less will “be allowed to stick.”

As an example, I offer to you the case of John Murtha and the Haditha Marines; the judiciary ruled that a federal law protecting federal employees from civil suits “while in execution of office” applied to Murtha and he was therefor immune from all slander suits the marines could bring.


34 posted on 06/07/2010 10:29:32 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: litehaus

Hm, I don’t think that’s particularly needed.
The closing of VIRTUALLY ALL tax loopholes with section 2 pretty much negates corporate interest here. Furthermore, should someone be barred from expressing their opinion [with their wallet] as to who should be elected? Besides, which, what if a private individual were to pay for advertising against someone; for example: John McCain (I live next-door to AZ and I think that they SHOULD publicize John McCain’s less than stellar record on guns, especially considering they just amended their State constitution concerning the matter).


35 posted on 06/07/2010 10:34:53 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Except for the damage inflicted directly on the Constitution in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 22nd, 23rd and 26th Amendments, our main problem since 1876 has been the nullification of it through Supreme Court jurisprudence and many “corrupt bargains” between the two parties.

(The deal that traded Florida’s electoral votes to make Republican Rutherford Hayes president in 1877 in return for the premature end of Reconstruction was called the “Corrupt Bargain” in the North. The seeds of our decline begin there.)


36 posted on 06/07/2010 10:54:45 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

>Except for the damage inflicted directly on the Constitution in the [snip] 26th Amendments [...]

The 26th? Isn’t that [basically] saying that all Citizens who are of the age of majority cannot be barred from voting because of their age?

Amendment XXVI.
Passed by Congress March 23, 1971. Ratified July 1, 1971.
(Note: Amendment 14, Section 2 of the Constitution was
modified by Section 1 of the 26th Amendment.)
SECTION 1.
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen
years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
SECTION 2.
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.


37 posted on 06/07/2010 11:01:31 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

It was a mistake to lower majority from 21.


38 posted on 06/07/2010 11:10:10 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: OneWingedShark; EdReform; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...
Not a bad start. Could use some tweaking!



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39 posted on 06/07/2010 11:26:17 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: OneWingedShark

Latecomer to the thread, but I like it. I’d be willing to live with all of it, except I’d limit copyright to 14 absolute years with no provision for the death of the author. You should be able to tell by the copyright date if something has expired. You shouldn’t have to determine if the author is alive or dead. I’d also eliminate the possibility of software patents.


40 posted on 06/07/2010 12:20:54 PM PDT by zeugma (Waco taught me everything I needed to know about the character of the U.S. Government.)
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