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Stalin bust has Virginia town red-faced
The Washington Times ^ | June 8, 2010 | Kathryn Watson

Posted on 06/09/2010 11:31:19 PM PDT by Boucheau

The small town of Bedford, Va., is home to 21 men who sacrificed their lives on D-Day, June 6, 1944. It is now also the home of one of the world's few public memorial busts of communist dictator Josef Stalin.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: communism; josefstalin; massmurderer; progressive; stalin; subversion; va; virginia
Where's Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, etc? Don't they get busts in the new Amerika too?

I mean, how many people does one have to kill to get a bust in this formerly sane country, huh?

How many times are Amerikans going to say to themselves: "It's no big deal..." "It won't harm anyone..." "It can't happen here..." "Who cares what they do..." "I won't affect me and mine..."

In my world they would need to guard this damned head with tanks to keep concerned Americans from destroying it on sight.

What the hell is wrong with us?

1 posted on 06/09/2010 11:31:20 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

Disgrace. Virgina, I expect this to be removed by week’s end.


2 posted on 06/09/2010 11:35:48 PM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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To: Boucheau; Bokababe

Stalin was an evil man.


3 posted on 06/09/2010 11:36:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Boucheau

Nikita was right.


4 posted on 06/09/2010 11:36:26 PM PDT by shibumi (Pablo (the Wily One) signed up for the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: Boucheau

Stalin was a Communist?


5 posted on 06/09/2010 11:41:38 PM PDT by rahbert (Our enemy has yet to reveal himself...)
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To: Boucheau

Stalin was quite likely the most prolific mass murderer in all of history.

That is until the abortionists got rolling.


6 posted on 06/09/2010 11:45:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The incredible shrinking alleged president. Wish he would hurry up and reach the vanishing point...)
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To: shibumi


7 posted on 06/10/2010 12:00:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: shibumi
When he said we will Barry you?

Krushchev, bury you


8 posted on 06/10/2010 12:02:22 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Boucheau

If there are any men in Virginia, They will blow it the f—k up.


9 posted on 06/10/2010 12:02:24 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (If the right has TEABAGGERS, then the left has SCUMBAGGERS and DOUCHEBAGGERS!!!)
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To: Boucheau

“The president of the D-Day Memorial Foundation, William McIntosh, did not return three calls from The Washington Times. He has told reporters that the foundation merely sought to mark Stalin’s role in the war.”

I can’t believe anyone would somehow think that this is a good idea.


10 posted on 06/10/2010 12:06:10 AM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Excellent!

I wish I’d thought of that!


11 posted on 06/10/2010 12:10:28 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo (the Wily One) signed up for the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: Boucheau

Well this is pretty darn silly. I would like to get a hold of William McIntosh, who while refusing interviews, said that he was only trying to mark Stalin’s roll in the war.

I find it laughable that a man who is the President of the D-Day Memorial Foundation can show, publicly, that he is that ignorant to what happened in the Second World War at all.

Just to start small I guess we should look at Stalin’s roll in the D-Day invasion since this is after all a D-Day memorial. His only real roll was that of a whining leader who bemoaned the fact that the Western Allies were being too slow in opening a second front on Germany. The only time this attitude of his was ever useful was at Tehran when FDR basically used Stalin to set up Churchill. Churchill and Allan Brooke were still more interested in attacking the “soft underbelly of Europe” and would had readily jumped at a chance to torpedo the Normandy invasion in 1944, pressing it out to at least 1945 of not longer. FDR coaxed Stalin to put Churchill on the spot and asked him if he supported the Overlord plan. Churchill had no real choice but to say yes and the last opposition to Normandy was reluctantly put into line. *Note: This still did not stop Churchill from trying to stop operation DRAGOON for the southern advance on France.

So where does that put Stalin in the annals of the D-Day invasion? Nowhere really, he was a pawn of FDR on the mater at best and really just a desperate leader looking for any relief to his front by the opening of a second (well third really) front on Germany.

That said, there really isn’t any place for Stalin in a D-Day Memorial.

Looking broader at McIntosh’s attempt to mark Stalin’s roll in the war I would have to ask, which roll is he wanting to represent?

Is it the Stalin that signed a pact with Hitler to divide Poland?

Is it the Stalin decided to attempt to reabsorb Finland into Russia at the end of 1939 and beginning of 1940?

Or perhaps the Stalin that took advantage of Germany’s preoccupation with the west to dominate the Baltic nations as well as take part of Rumania.

Maybe the Stalin that whined that he never was getting enough supplies through Lend-Lease even though the initial deliverables were met by the British at the expense of providing those material to the forces in Egypt who desperately needed them.

Or the Stalin that played the end of the war as a land grab that resulted in the division of former Axis territory like Korea and Germany itself setting the stage for a Cold War which would have the next two generations living under the specter of mutual annihilation.

If there is ever any credit that needs to be given to the Eastern Front it should go the the Russian soldier himself, not their leader who issued the directive that any soldier falling back is to be shot. And no mater how to slice it, it still doesn’t have anything to do with the D-Day landings. I think McIntosh needs to at least take a little time to understand the meaning of the organization he is supposed to represent and leave the marking of any one person’s roll to the historians who have actually taken the time to know better.


12 posted on 06/10/2010 12:23:21 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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To: Boucheau

Stalin was one of the “allies” in WWII.
It would be a bit awkward and revisionist to pass over him in a memorial to the leaders of the allied nations.

There is no conflict here with the Americans who died on D-Day and the tribute to Stalin. If we had fought against the Soviets in that war, it would be different.

I would say that it is just unfortunate that our nation under FDR was allied with Stalin in the first place. But we have to keep in mind, without the Soviets, Hitler would have in all likelihood won that war.


13 posted on 06/10/2010 12:23:57 AM PDT by counterpunch (GOP: Government's Other Party)
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To: Boucheau

Lenin already has one in Seattle.


14 posted on 06/10/2010 12:24:06 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: CougarGA7
And what was Fidel's roll now?


15 posted on 06/10/2010 12:30:56 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: counterpunch

So why not just a plaque acknowledging the sacrifices of the Soviet people and do away with the bust of the mass murderer?


16 posted on 06/10/2010 12:36:55 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Revolting cat!

At this point I don’t think he even had had is supposed tryout with the Washington Senators. ;)


17 posted on 06/10/2010 12:39:29 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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To: Boucheau
Send an email National D-Day Memorial Foundation
18 posted on 06/10/2010 12:44:00 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: counterpunch

“...a memorial to the leaders of the allied nations.”

“a bit awkward...revisionist”

Not at all.

When it comes to public memorials, I am very comfortable with passing over a low-life Communist dictator, and the murderer of millions of innocent human beings—no matter what is being memorialized.

Besides, a bust of that monster in the open American air does more for the revisionists (leftists) cause than its absence would.

“There is no conflict here with the Americans who died on D-Day and the tribute to Stalin.”

You’re kidding, right? You’re putting me on here, right?

If we could ask those American soldiers if they had a problem with a “tribute to Stalin”, well, I think you know what the answer would be.

“I would say that it is just unfortunate that our nation under FDR was allied with Stalin...”

I don’t think it was unfortunate. But that depends on your definition of “ally”, doesn’t it?


19 posted on 06/10/2010 12:47:09 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: saganite

It is an uncomfortable truth that Stalin was an ally im WWII. But a plaque for the Soviets and busts for Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill? We may not like Stalin or the Soviets, but should we really single them out and diminish their contribution to the allied war effort? I understand the sentiment, but I also think it is a bit misguided.

You know, honestly, I’d be happy if they just did away with all of the busts at the memorial, and that piece of excriment we have as president now humbly apologized to the British for crudely returning the Churchill bust that Prime Minister Blair gave as a gift to our country, and asked if the American people could honor Churchill’s likeness again in our White House. But I don’t see that happening.


20 posted on 06/10/2010 12:48:08 AM PDT by counterpunch (GOP: Government's Other Party)
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To: saganite

“So why not just a plaque acknowledging the sacrifices of the Soviet people and do away with the bust of the mass murderer?”

Because this has NOTHING to do with the Soviet People.


21 posted on 06/10/2010 12:52:03 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

Well,,,I sure hope those sckroool chuldruns don’t knock

his noze off,,,

Reeealy...;0)


22 posted on 06/10/2010 12:55:30 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Boucheau

Hey, pigeons need toilets too!


23 posted on 06/10/2010 1:04:42 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: CougarGA7

Thank you for that, Cougar. That will go into my knowledgebase.


24 posted on 06/10/2010 1:07:48 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: CougarGA7
"...That said, there really isn’t any place for Stalin in a D-Day Memorial..."

Stalin's paranoid killing-off 30,000 Soviet military officers prior to WWII actually prolonged the war!

25 posted on 06/10/2010 1:11:46 AM PDT by Does so
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To: counterpunch

This isn’t a war memorial. It’s a D-day memorial. Stalin had less to do with the success of D-day than e.g. de Gaulle.

I’m glad Stalin’s bust is there though. Because someone can take a hammer to it and so speak for the millions who suffered because of him.


26 posted on 06/10/2010 1:12:23 AM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: agere_contra

Send Stalin’s bust to the White House. A fitting replacement for Churchill’s bust, which Obama immediately returned to the UK as soon as he took office.


27 posted on 06/10/2010 1:13:46 AM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
When he said we will Barry you?

I assume that's a photoshop of Khrushchev. I've read that there is no photo of him pounding the desk with his shoe.

28 posted on 06/10/2010 1:20:05 AM PDT by TChad
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To: Does so
Stalin's paranoid killing-off 30,000 Soviet military officers prior to WWII actually prolonged the war!

Most certainly, but that also has to be balanced by the fact that without Stalin's ruthless five year plans forcing through industrialisation, the USSR wouldn't have been in any sort of position to equip and maintain an army capable of halting the Germans at the gates of Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad....

29 posted on 06/10/2010 1:22:11 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Boucheau
Lenin? Oh, yeah, here he is in Seattle:


30 posted on 06/10/2010 1:35:27 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Republicans should campaign like Rush Limbaugh. A lot more of them would get elected.)
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To: TChad

Yeah there isn’t. It’s fake but accurate.


31 posted on 06/10/2010 1:45:59 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Fresh Wind

Little kids walk by this figure on their way to get ice cream. I bet they wonder who that man is (who would have starved them and their families to death, if he didn’t walk them out into a frozen field and put a bullet into each of their heads first.)

Makes me proud to be an American.

Yeah, this is what we’re about: monuments to sociopathic mass-murderers. This is who we now immortalize in bronze.

That it is allowed to stand is yet another example of how lost we are.

Don’t fool yourself into thinking that there will not be a hefty price to pay for this. The universe does not care about your “sophisticated” explanation of why this insanity should be permitted/tolerated.


32 posted on 06/10/2010 1:50:07 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: agere_contra

If it’s a D-Day memorial, then why isn’t Candaian Prime Minister Mackenzie King represented? Weren’t Canadian paratroopers involved in the D-Day landing?

And why is there a bust of Truman? He wasn’t even Vice President yet in 1944!
Perhaps most curious, why is there no bust of General Eisenhower?


33 posted on 06/10/2010 1:50:41 AM PDT by counterpunch (GOP: Government's Other Party)
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To: agere_contra

This isn’t a war memorial. It’s a D-day memorial. Stalin had less to do with the success of D-day than e.g. de Gaulle................................. But, there were Russian and French troops on the beaches in Normandy.


34 posted on 06/10/2010 2:06:38 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (THE CANDIDATE THE LEFT SMEARS THE MOST IS THE ONE THEY FEAR THE MOST.)
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To: Boucheau

Nothing a vandal couldn’t take care of with a 10 pound sledgehammer.


35 posted on 06/10/2010 2:33:49 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Rocky
Send Stalin’s bust to the White House.

Yeah - Obambi can hang his 'Chairman Mao' Christmas ornaments from his Stalin bust.

36 posted on 06/10/2010 2:37:53 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

There were 177 Free French Troops who landed on Sword Beach under British Command, and a few more who landed the night before as part of the British Special Air Service (SAS) Brigade. Four French Cruisers also provided naval support.
Many of the other Free French forces (about 400,000 strong) were otherwise engaged fighting in Italy at the time...


37 posted on 06/10/2010 3:08:33 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: counterpunch
"But we have to keep in mind, without the Soviets, Hitler would have in all likelihood won that war."

The Soviets were forced into a war with Hitler because of Operation Barbarosa. Before then, they were his willing allie who carved up Poland and most likely were the ones that committed the atrocities in Katyn forrest. Not to mention attacking Finland after that.

I don't give them much credit for helping win the war against Hitler. We did it to save democracies. They did it to save themselves. And without our help in the Lend/Lease program, they would have lost their war with Hitler.
38 posted on 06/10/2010 4:27:27 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: counterpunch

If Hitler has won that war then the murderous Soviet Union would have been finished. And communism would have suffered a major setback. The outcome was not perfect. However there is the possibility that the two dictatorships would have destroyed one another.


39 posted on 06/10/2010 5:51:27 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Boucheau

Really? None of the Soviet people died defeating Hitler? Hmm, I’ll have to go back and check the history books. I could’ve sworn I read that someplace.


40 posted on 06/10/2010 5:54:04 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Boucheau

41 posted on 06/10/2010 5:58:16 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: Fresh Wind
It's shocking that the leftwing radicals are now so open about their devotion to communism.


42 posted on 06/10/2010 6:05:24 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Captainpaintball
If there are any men in Virginia, They will blow it the f—k up.

If it were in Augusta County, that would have already happened.

43 posted on 06/10/2010 6:07:42 AM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Boucheau

Ya know, I hate encourage crimes like vandalism, but this would be just too good an opportunity for some marksmanship demonstrations...

Need to ball ammo, or, better yet, AP, though.


44 posted on 06/10/2010 6:11:13 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Battle of Normandy web-site records ZERO French military casualties. Not only did the French not help militarily. But that pompous ass De Gaulle wouldn’t even go on the radio and tell French people to cooperate. Ike didn’t even tell him about the invasion until the day before. He was not to be trusted.


45 posted on 06/10/2010 6:51:10 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Does so
Stalin's paranoid killing-off 30,000 Soviet military officers prior to WWII actually prolonged the war!

I would agree with that. He realized very quickly during the Winter War that offing so many of his military leadership was a devastatingly bad mistake. It allowed the Finns to hold off a much larger Soviet force for 4 months in what on paper should have been a very quick and decisive conquest for the Soviets.

46 posted on 06/10/2010 9:38:38 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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To: Boucheau

My pleasure.


47 posted on 06/10/2010 9:38:56 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Without Lend-Lease though he never would have been able to pull that off. The Western Allies provided him with the machine tools needed to get the industry that had to be evacuated over the Urals up and running. Also, Stalin was able to maintain a mostly motorized force without having to use industry to build trucks. The bulk of the Soviet logistical motorization was provided by the United States allowing the Soviets to focus on making the T-34 and more artillery than you can imagine.

During the Cold War the roll of Lend Lease was downplayed by the Soviets for obvious political reasons. Over the last 10 years though more and more old Soviet archive files have revealed just how significant this lifeline was to keeping the Soviets from folding altogether. The first shipments of the First Moscow Protocol sent to the Soviets on the dangerous run from England to Archangel were not large, but just enough to keep the Soviet Union in the war which was of vital importance to Churchill and Roosevelt. Now I do not agree that if the Soviet Union had surrendered that the Allies would have lost the war, but it would have taken significantly longer to win and likely would have resulted in a tactical nuclear war by the Allies in Europe.


48 posted on 06/10/2010 10:00:58 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (In order to dream of the future, we need to remember the past. - Bartov)
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To: saganite

I didn’t mean it that way.


49 posted on 06/11/2010 12:05:07 AM PDT by Boucheau
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