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How would you "arm" a college student?
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Posted on 06/12/2010 8:34:14 AM PDT by bgill

Several of us are sending our children off to college in the fall and are concerned about their safety. Since most campuses have a no carry policy, what are some suggestions on how to "arm" them?

be aware of your surroundings

walk with friends - power in numbers

pepper spray

kubotan

don't accept drinks from friends or strangers without watching it being poured.


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1 posted on 06/12/2010 8:34:14 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

A snub .38 and keep his or her mouth absolutely shut.


2 posted on 06/12/2010 8:35:18 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: bgill

Sykes-Fairbairn. Nobody’s a tough guy with a sucking chest wound.


3 posted on 06/12/2010 8:35:38 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: bgill

Pepper spray, taser, kubotan, etc are useless if: A)everyone on campus knows that you have them, and; B) you have no training in how to use them effectively.


4 posted on 06/12/2010 8:36:38 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist with no rational argument.)
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To: bgill

Taekwondo lessons, with emphasis on safety!


5 posted on 06/12/2010 8:36:50 AM PDT by pillut48 ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: bgill

Condoms?


6 posted on 06/12/2010 8:38:29 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: bgill

Get a Glock with a the right to carry a concealed weapon.


7 posted on 06/12/2010 8:38:29 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: bgill

Send them to a college that posts signs saying that at least 50 percent of all students must be armed every other day. Do you feel lucky today?


8 posted on 06/12/2010 8:41:43 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I’m with you on this. Carry a compact, lightweight snubnose revolver in at least .38 or one of the many small semi-autos in at least .380. Don’t show it off or mention it to anyone. What the fools that run these places don’t know won’t hurt them or you. And if you need to use the weapon - if life is at risk and there is no place to escape to - then use it and don’t hesitate to do so. If your choice is between being raped, maimed or murdered or getting kicked out of school and facing charges for illegal carry I would say that is no choice at all.


9 posted on 06/12/2010 8:41:54 AM PDT by scory
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To: bgill

.380 pocket pistol. Keep your mouth shut.

ruger LCP
Ruger LCR
new .380s from Sig

Small 9mm.

Keep your mouth shut.


10 posted on 06/12/2010 8:41:57 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: bgill

You give different advice to young men and young women.


11 posted on 06/12/2010 8:42:00 AM PDT by devere
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To: nmh
Get a Glock with a the right to carry a concealed weapon.

One would assume they are not 21 yet.

12 posted on 06/12/2010 8:42:16 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: bgill

Never leave a friend behind at a party, on or off campus.

Always use safe rides if available on campus. Try to use the library with friends who are also on your hall or dorm.

Try to set the rules as to boyfriends or girlfriends staying overnight in the room.

Keep your dorm room locked at all times.


13 posted on 06/12/2010 8:42:18 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: bgill

for about $500 or so, you can get them a taser that projects the probes via connect wires. Each pack can be removed and then the hand unit sports two probes that can be used close-in....I got one for my daugher.


14 posted on 06/12/2010 8:42:45 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Malsua

Do all states require you to be 21?

I really don’t know.


15 posted on 06/12/2010 8:43:01 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: bgill

Stun gun, tazer, mace


16 posted on 06/12/2010 8:43:17 AM PDT by edcoil (Kingdoms have never survived. Don't let any new ones be formed.)
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To: bgill

Also, if she regrets it in the morning, it could turn into a rape charge.


17 posted on 06/12/2010 8:43:54 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: bgill

The process must start well before the week they head off to college. My daughter who is some years away from college has an advanced belt in a martial arts discipline that teaches such things as disarming an attacker with a knife or gun. She is also an experienced shooter who can actually hit a target with the training to match. Sometimes the worst thing one can do is give someone a firearm and assume they can protect themselves.


18 posted on 06/12/2010 8:44:08 AM PDT by scottteng ( IMPEACH OBAMA and elect Snitker as Florida Senator)
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To: bgill

Find a college that endorses concealed carry full time.


19 posted on 06/12/2010 8:45:20 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
A snub .38 and keep his or her mouth absolutely shut.

Ditto. Never mention it or show it to anyone.

20 posted on 06/12/2010 8:45:27 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: bgill

The best “weapon” a young man or woman can have is the ability to resist peer pressure confidently. This will allow them to evaluate their environment and their actions or inactions objectively and will also make them effective leaders. It would be great if you could just “buy” that a local store, but dang.........

If they don’t have that ability, then a weapon such as a gun, pepper spray, taser, baseball bat, whatever, may get them in even more trouble.


21 posted on 06/12/2010 8:45:34 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (In the White House the mighty White House the Liar sleeps tonight.............)
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To: nmh
Do all states require you to be 21?

To buy a gun from an FFL, you need to be 21. Can be a private transfer at 18.

I think most or all CCW requires 21.

22 posted on 06/12/2010 8:46:00 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: bgill

Do a cost-benefit analysis and determine if college really makes sense.

Don’t go into debt to finance college.

Get a degree in something useful, such as engineering, or forget it and get a job.


23 posted on 06/12/2010 8:46:37 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Malsua
Can be a private transfer at 18.

In free states that is. NJ is out for sure.

24 posted on 06/12/2010 8:46:56 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: bgill

Two days at Front Sight:
http://www.frontsight.com/courses/empty-hand-self-defense-training.asp


25 posted on 06/12/2010 8:47:19 AM PDT by Klaatu Barada Nikto
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To: bgill

Yikes.

Not sure where you are sending your child; if it’s somewhere like Temple or Johns Hopkins, I’d say ignore the carry laws. If it’s a more suburban/rural campus, I’d just say always know your surroundings, and tell them (her?) to try not to walk alone at night. Most campuses have services that will escort people home who feel uncomfortable walking at night.

One thing I’d add... Lots of kids around that age fear the police—or at least I did. Tell them that if they get into a sticky situation where they aren’t themselves going to get into serious trouble, don’t be afraid to call the campus police, especially if they’re going to a larger school where the campus police are an actual police department. I can’t tell you the number of times the campus police at my undergrad school helped me by giving me a ride when my car broke down, or picking me up when my friend was too drunk to drive and the cabs stopped running, or letting me into my dorm when I lost my keys, etc. The key is to be nice and act like you don’t expect it of them, then they’re putty :P

Also, I’d say even more important than “watch your drink” is “never be alone.” Girls usually get into the most trouble at parties when they’re separated from their friends. And a few stern talks on how to handle alcohol might not go amiss, because it’s bound to be an issue, no matter where she goes.


26 posted on 06/12/2010 8:48:31 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: bgill
For girls, send them to a self defense class, guys too but girls seem to be more vulnerable......

Also, pound into their heads about a sober buddy when you are going out drinking. Someone needs to have a clear head and watch their backs.....We all know that alcohol brings out the stupid in people.....

Girls need to find a guy they trust that can be a safe escort on campus. My sons were frequently called upon to be a body guard.....parents of boys, encourage your young man to be that guy.....

Roofie does not just happen to girls....my 6'5” weight lifting son was roofied, he was with a couple of friends when he passed out and woke in an ER....they thought he was another drunk students but he was well below the legal limit.....

27 posted on 06/12/2010 8:50:10 AM PDT by Kimmers (Waterboarding saves lives)
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To: edcoil

I just checked and noticed there’s a no “chemical dispensing device” and no “club or night stick” ruling along with the no gun. So pepper spray/mace is out. What about a can of bug spray or something equally offensive or would bug spray be a big no-no? Would a kubitan be considered a club or night stick? They do dorm room searches so sneaking anything in would likely be found out or someone would let the word out.


28 posted on 06/12/2010 8:50:33 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

What is kubotan?

Arm with THE TRUTH

and WITH SPIRITUAL WARFARE AND PRAYER

and with whatever . . . mechanisms . . . technologies . . . were legal and wise.


29 posted on 06/12/2010 8:50:52 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bgill

If you’re a woman, don’t get drunk. Seems obvious but the drunkest girl in the room is gonna be a target.
Don’t carry more cash on you than you can afford to lose.
Something I’ve always told my kids is that nothing good happens after midnight. My Son proved it again the other night when he got in an accident with a Cop (cop’s fault) at 2am. There’s no reason to be out at that time of night. Go to a friends or hang out at the coffee shop right around the corner.
My husband always says unless you know for real that you could actually kill someone, there’s no reason to carry a gun. It will most likely get used against you.
Pepper spray is good idea but it has to be hanging around your wrist so you don’t drop it and that’s not a good accessory!
Well that’s all I got!


30 posted on 06/12/2010 8:52:08 AM PDT by happilymarriedmom
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To: bgill

Don’t leave a drink alone,even to go to the rest room. My daughter was drugged that way. She got lucky, when she started to vomit in the assailants auto and he pushed her out.
pepper spray when walking


31 posted on 06/12/2010 8:54:47 AM PDT by captbarney
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To: bgill

I am a university student, and I always carry a can of Sabre mace and a flick knife clipped into my jacket or pocket. Easier and “legaler” than a pocket 9. If you’re quick on your feet/with your hands, I consider it adequate for someone too young to apply for a conceal/carry.


32 posted on 06/12/2010 8:57:33 AM PDT by Quark606
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To: bgill
Try to find a school that is not so ethically challenged. I also recommend a walking stick and some training in basic stick fighting. Most schools don't prohibit walking sticks.

Of course, the long term goal is to change the rules of these schools to allow ethical conduct.

33 posted on 06/12/2010 8:58:53 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: bgill

Civ Taser, next thing to a gun. Use crossbow at night.


34 posted on 06/12/2010 8:59:11 AM PDT by dila813
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To: bgill
An executive letter opener. A razor sharp fiberglass dagger that dont show up on metal detectors or Xrays.
35 posted on 06/12/2010 9:07:13 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: bgill

http://www.unbreakableumbrella.com/


36 posted on 06/12/2010 9:07:51 AM PDT by captain_dave
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To: bgill

Teach them to think logically and critically.


37 posted on 06/12/2010 9:07:57 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: bgill

Sending a sheltered kid off to college and giving them a weapon is a recipe for disaster. If you have not raised them already in the ways of the world and introduced them to hunting and the use of firearms since they were about eight years old, they have no gumption on self defense or the use of weapons.

If you are seriously thinking weapons, then send them first to the NRA sponsored classes on self defense and self defense for women, then send them to a real self defense class such as that run by Gabe Suarez. http://www.suarezinternationalstore.com/

In these classes, run by professional Law Enforcement and Military personnel, they will learn about self defense, weapons, and the mindset to control a situation. These are things that most kids do not have the foggiest notions about right now. Giving them a gun with no training is a recipe that is sure to get them or someone else killed.


38 posted on 06/12/2010 9:11:33 AM PDT by Concho
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To: bgill

Well, it may be simplistic, but I would send them to a college where they didn’t have to be armed.


39 posted on 06/12/2010 9:12:35 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: bgill

don’t go stupid places with stupid people at stupid hours.
(rarely does anything good happen after 1 am.)


40 posted on 06/12/2010 9:13:02 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: TheThirdRuffian
A snub .38 and keep his or her mouth absolutely shut.

Yup.

41 posted on 06/12/2010 9:13:35 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: MichiganConservative

That is the best advice!!!
The idiot degrees will get you no where.
There I was in line doing Christmas shopping at Pier 1, and the homely check out girl was conversing with one of the customers:
“Oh, I have a degree in acting”.
Yea, that will take her very far. Like check out girl at Pier 1!!!!!!


42 posted on 06/12/2010 9:20:25 AM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: bgill

First and foremost you instill in them the knowledge of exercising COMMON SENSE...then however else they chose to arm themselves will serve them well.


43 posted on 06/12/2010 9:21:53 AM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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To: bgill
Choose one of these plastic knives for all-the-time carry. Heck, the price is low, get a pair.

And then for those nights out where you still have to be 100% concealed/careful get one of these. As small as you can find, and 5 rounds of 22 Magnum WILL get your attention; a CCI 40 grain 22 Magnum with FMJ fired from that pistol will penetrate more than 16". You'll get through the bad guy, and having 10 leaking holes (5 in the front, 5 in the back) WILL get anyone's attention.

That pistol is so small you can easily carry/conceal it with anything at any time, and you can keep it in your room in an aspirin bottle so as to avoid the storage concerns.

44 posted on 06/12/2010 9:23:47 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Klaatu Barada Nikto

Two days at Front Sight

... +1, great suggestion and there is an offer out there to take the first course for $100 (instead of $1000+)... complete training, and the four day is even better!

Instead of Mace, buy two Spectracide Wasp/Hornet spray cans for $5 and keep one in the room, one in the car... stream shoots 20+ feet and will disable the attacker while you get away, and looks innocent until needed!!

ymmv


45 posted on 06/12/2010 9:26:37 AM PDT by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe)
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To: JoeGar; TheThirdRuffian
Here's what I always carry.
46 posted on 06/12/2010 9:26:57 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Argue from the Constitution: Initialpoints.net)
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To: bgill

Also never leave your drink anywhere. If you go to the bathroom it goes with you. Pepper spray is good and for places where that is illegal sample size aresole hairspray has the same effect except for a sorter time but you will get the mintute to get away.


47 posted on 06/12/2010 9:28:16 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: bgill

Kevlar lined backpack and/or briefcase

A sock full of rocks makes a good club


48 posted on 06/12/2010 9:32:23 AM PDT by Lexington Green (By any means necessary....)
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To: bgill

1st of all, Proverbs 22:6.
2nd, martial arts.
3rd, remember that anything can be a weapon. You don’t necessarily have to use a gun, which is not always handy. (pencils and pens come to mind)

Other items that may come in handy in a pocket or purse:
Pepper Spray
Personal alarm (think panic button)
Stun gun
Kubaton keychain
Black cat keychain


49 posted on 06/12/2010 9:43:42 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery (The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.)
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To: bgill

Krav Maga!!!


50 posted on 06/12/2010 9:44:25 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself...)
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