Posted on 06/13/2010 10:59:12 AM PDT by Moleman
Hello all, Friday I was "downsized" from my position in Sales for an automotive supplier. I have a few leads that I feel I am well qualified for. My concern is a ercent drinking and driving conviction. Was a first time offense but still an offense. It was pleaded down to a four point ticket. What is your opinion of having a drinking convicion on your record when applying for medium level Managment positions?
Thanks
If the job means driving a company vehicle....forget it...
Ping for later
It certainly won’t help your chances. Don’t think you’ll get more than a good old fashioned flaming on this forum.
Hopefully you’ve come to your senses and stopped drinking then getting behind the wheel.
Do you still have a drinking problem have you sought help ?
Yes it can, if the employer conducts a background check.
Agreed. No company will hire you for a job driving a company vehicle with a DUI. Many companies will also disqualify you from hiring period. Need to be upfront about the issue and hope you find a hiring mgr who will fight for you. Good Luck.
It all depends on the job and/or type of job.
“Do you still have a drinking problem have you sought help ?”
I want to know when he stopped beating his wife.
Well yes it will matter. One of my co-workers had this happen to her. The company was notified and she is no longer allowed to drive company vehicles.
...”had this happen to her.”
No, she put herself into that position. She committed an action. She didn’t “have something happen to her.”
If it was pleaded down, does it show on your MVR as a DUI? If it doesn't, simply list no more than the offense you were convicted of, and leave it at that.
Question: Do people applying for mid-level management positions generally have to fill out application forms? I wouldn't think so! And since you are free to omit such information from your resumé (which I hope you'll have a professional editor proofread for you), I don't see this issue ever coming up. Or is that a standard interview question nowadays?
Regards,
Well put.
Shouldn’t be a problem if the HR manager has a drinking problem (and would be sympathetic), which most do. LOL
Since most companies check your credit rating, criminal background, etc.....I’d say it will effect your chances.
Shouldn’t be. Most auto managers I know do far worse that just drinking.
So you were arrested for DUI, pleaded not guilty, had the charges amended to what? You may not have been convicted of the DUI, but something such as lane control, or reckless opp. The latter being almost as serious as DUI.
Whatever you do, do not lie about it on any job application - likewise do not volunteer any "unasked" information to a prospective employer
Might be smart to consult an attorney in your state that specializes in employment law and get advice on ways to minimize negative impacts
It disqualifies you from any position requiring a security clearance.
as someone who hires, if i found out and it seemed you were still in denial about your drinking, i wouldnt hire. if you were up front and talked about how you had stopped drinking, got sober, been to AA or something like that, it would be a plus.
in case you dont know, if you have a DUI, you, be definition, have “a drinking problem”. if you dont know that, then you got some work to do.
just guessing but its probably not the first time you got shmasted and drove. ever think about the fact that you might have killed someone?
I think he could still run for congress and or the presidency
Let them know at the end of the job interview when they ask ‘do you have any other questions’. Go prepared with what to say. Tell them you made a mistake you will never ever repeat and that you are willing to live with its consequences. If you are lucky you can sway a mind or two.
“It disqualifies you from any position requiring a security clearance.”
There’s always politics...
*grin*
I see we still have some conservatives left on FR. Good call on this one.
You actually corrected his post in quote like an editor???
OMG that is too damn funny...
“Was a first time offense but still an offense. It was pleaded down to a four point ticket. What is your opinion of having a drinking convicion on your record when applying for medium level Managment positions? “
It sounds like you have a non-criminal violation or lowest level misdemeanor (4 point ticket, the kind you’d get for speeding or running a stop light) on your record. I am not a lawyer but I don’t think you have to disclose what you were arrested for or even that you were arrested—only what you have been convicted for.
I know from personal experience, back in my wild and crazy college days, I plead no contest to a battery and a destruction of property charge to some college hi-jink that got out of hand and involved a good amount of alcohol. Three years latter I was up for a job that required a federal security clearance. I figured I didn't stand a chance, but was honest on the form, they asked a few general questions about the charges in an interview, then gave me my clearance.
That's not always true. My brother has had two DUIs, one in '96 and again in '02. The last one cost him his job driving a cement mixer and landed him in jail for a month. He regained his CDL and today drives one of those monster-huge dump trucks in a moly mine in Colorado.
Apparently, his qualifications and experience trumped his DUI convictions.
This being said, I believe he was the exception to the rule and I remind him regularly how damn lucky he was to land that job and he'd better not screw it up!
“It disqualifies you from any position requiring a security clearance.”
So does cocaine use but that did not keep a former cokehead from getting his hands on America’s nuclear trigger and countless critical defense secrets.
My employer does background checks and one of the items they look into is the applicant's driving record.
Good luck to you in your job hunt.
If the driving record shows DUI when the company places him on insurance the insurance company will notify the company of the record. That is why you need to be up front about things like this- if the company is willing to deal with the issue they will not want to find out about it from the insurance company after hiring.
Not necessarily. Probably depends on the time frame that passes between the DUI and the job though. There are people with some types of security clearance that have a DUI on their record.
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If it was a DUI conviction, it is not a crime, it is a violation. MV records are not public records. If an employer wants your driving record, they will ask for you to sign a release. Court records are public records and no release is needed.
If the position requires you drive company vehicles, then yes, you will have a problem. On the other hand, companies cannot ask you anything that doesn’t pertain directly to your ability to fill out the job, and can only ask if you have ever been convicted of a felony.
“Question: Do people applying for mid-level management positions generally have to fill out application forms?”
Where I work they do, and at every company I’m aware of in the same industry (insurance) - and my employer runs a background check on every candidate they’re seriously considering, which at minimum includes a search of public records.
Maybe at one time, but not anymore. As I mentioned in my post, I was given a "secret" clearance with two recent misdemeanor convictions. It may be different with the "higher" clearances. I was told the requirements to get a security clearance were really loosened during the Clinton administration and there is not much that automatically disqualifies you anymore as long as you are honest on your SF-76.
If they ask whether you have ever been convicted of a crime on the application then answer honestly and take your chances, if they don’t then do not offer the information. It will come up in a background check and you may or may not ever know why you didn’t get the job or you may be asked to explain the situation and given a chance to redeem yourself.
Good Luck
I think it was a very helpful gesture. Too many people don't know how to write, punctuate, and spell nowadays. Spell-check programs don't catch everything. If this poster makes so many mistakes in a post he might well allow a few mistakes to slip by in his resume too. So just pointing out some common errors could help improve his presentation and get him an interview.
Seems to me they are just as dangerous and irresponsible, and I wouldn't hire any of them either.
Oh I have learned my lesson. Will never do that again. Thank goodness no one was hurt
It shows as OWVI not DUI (still not an admirable thing though)
Do you hire folks who don't know how to capitalize properly?
it seemed you were still in denial about your drinking, i wouldnt hire.
Getting a DUI/DWI has WHAT to do with denial?
if you were up front and talked about how you had stopped drinking, got sober, been to AA or something like that, it would be a plus.
Drinking is legal. AA is gay. The first word of a sentence starts with a capital letter.
in case you dont know, if you have a DUI, you, be definition, have “a drinking problem”. if you dont know that, then you got some work to do.
"Be" definition? Whose definition? Yours? You, who hire people, but write like an eight year old?
If you lie about it, you may be fired the moment they find out. I’ve seen men and women walked out the door months after they started the job because “the report” finally got in. You might consider applying for jobs where this is a resume enhancer. Try the DNC. It will help even more if you havn’t paid your taxes.
This isnt a job interview...and when people start correcting other peoples use of syntax in snide manner that’s a bit over the top IMHO...
It reeks of elitism and is of little use on FR.
He asked about his DUI issue...he didnt ask how to write a resume.
Thank you for the constructive feedback
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