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Election official: Id testify Obama not born in Hawaii
American Grand Jury ^ | 6/14/2010 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 06/14/2010 10:26:30 AM PDT by raymcc

The former Honolulu elections clerk who says President Obama was “definitely” not born in Hawaii and has no birth certificate from any hospital in the Aloha State says he’s willing to testify in court to those facts.

“The things I’ve said, I don’t mind testifying in court,” Tim Adams, the senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in the 2008 campaign, told WND in an exclusive interview.

(Excerpt) Read more at americangrandjury.org ...


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KEYWORDS: adams; birth; birthcertificate; certifigate; deadhorse; donquixote; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama; whoishe; whoisobama
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1 posted on 06/14/2010 10:26:31 AM PDT by raymcc
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To: raymcc

Well, if the man’s this certain, where was he two years ago?


2 posted on 06/14/2010 10:28:15 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: raymcc

Well, if the man’s this certain, where was he two years ago?


3 posted on 06/14/2010 10:28:28 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: raymcc

I will testify that Julius Caesar had a third nipple. My proof? No one has ever provided proof that he didn’t.

What is that rule about proving a negative?


4 posted on 06/14/2010 10:29:02 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: raymcc

Watch this guy have an “accident” ala Vince Foster or Ron Brown.


5 posted on 06/14/2010 10:30:42 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mrmeyer

Obama can’t organize a child’s party let alone a hit on someone.


6 posted on 06/14/2010 10:34:13 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Communism has arrived in Washington)
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To: RexBeach

Worth repeating.

;-)


7 posted on 06/14/2010 10:34:32 AM PDT by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: raymcc

Who IS this creature esconced in the Oval Office?


8 posted on 06/14/2010 10:35:06 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU

Not one of us.


9 posted on 06/14/2010 10:36:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: bmwcyle

He doesn’t have to. He has plenty of friends from Chicago he can delegate the task to.


10 posted on 06/14/2010 10:37:34 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: raymcc
Sounds like someone looking for publicity. If he is so sure about 0bama not being born in Hawaii where was he in 2008? And even then, what would be stopping him from doing it now? Why does he have to threaten to do such a thing, why not just do it?

Sorry, I am calling BS on this.

11 posted on 06/14/2010 10:37:58 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: raymcc
Why the time lapse? People are being court martialed over this, and the country is falling apart because of the current leadership, and here is this guy waiting until almost armageddon before he steps forward.

Did he lose his son in a balloon, or his daughter on a sailboat?

Fifteen minutes of fame, here I come.
12 posted on 06/14/2010 10:39:19 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: FrankR

IF ist wasn’t in there, betcha one is in there now.


13 posted on 06/14/2010 10:41:58 AM PDT by gulfcoast6 (God Is!!!)
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To: RexBeach

He signed an NDA, which has now lapsed. Now he is free to speak, whereas before he couldn’t.


14 posted on 06/14/2010 10:47:36 AM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: raymcc

This should be easy to check.

There are two hospitals in question. They should all have logs or records of who was admitted and for what. There can’t have been more than a dozen births at each hospital over a two day period around Obama’s birth.

Match up all the admitted women in labor with actual births and birth certificates.

If the birthers are right then there should be (X) number of births and (X-1) number of admitted women in labor.

QED.


15 posted on 06/14/2010 10:48:14 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (WHO ARE YOU??? WHO ARE YOU??? Bob Etheridge (D-North Carolina))
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To: agere_contra

This should be interesting then.

As for myself, and believe me, I am no fan of Mr. Obama’s,
this birth certificate business seems way out there.


16 posted on 06/14/2010 10:52:58 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Personal Responsibility

Sealed!!! Covered up!


17 posted on 06/14/2010 11:42:31 AM PDT by barb-tex (REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!! Slim as it may be, it is our last hope.)
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To: raymcc

He should put down what he knows in an affidavit — sign it — and put it in the hands of the legal teams with active cases.


18 posted on 06/14/2010 11:49:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Sealed!!! Covered up!


19 posted on 06/14/2010 11:50:09 AM PDT by barb-tex (REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!! Slim as it may be, it is our last hope.)
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To: pnh102; All

“Sounds like someone looking for publicity. If he is so sure about 0bama not being born in Hawaii where was he in 2008? And even then, what would be stopping him from doing it now? Why does he have to threaten to do such a thing, why not just do it?”

Although I wished this was true, I’m inclined to think it is bogus. This fellow really was part of the office that checks things (WND verified that), but if you read the article he only claims his supervisor and other higher ups said President Obama had no BC. His “testimony” is hearsay. I’m pretty sure that “hearsay” carries no weight in a court. Plus, he superiors can just say they never told him any such thing.

Now does this give one some reasonable pause that it may be true. Well yes, depending on your inclinations to believe it. However, is it insufficient evidence to accomplish anything but keepin those alread inclined to believe Mr. Obama was not born in Hawaii to keep believing so? Personnally, I don’t know.

I wished they could prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii or that there is no real documentation that he was (a witnessing physician or midwife). It could just be his mother or grandmother simply requesting a BC to ensure U.S. citizenship and the benefits associated with it. The lack of official documents that he was born in Hawaii does not mean he wasn’t born there....he could have in born at home or in a stable in Wakiki beach! That may well be the situation, if there is a lack of hospital birth record. This would explain his reluctance to release the long form. It may not exist and it would create doubts.

However, the lack of a long form only create doubt...he could still have been born in Hawaii.


20 posted on 06/14/2010 11:55:06 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas; All

The actually record could reflect he was born outside a hospital and that later (days maybe?) his mother sought post partum care for the child and herself. Does this prove he was not born in Hawaii? No, only that he wasn’t born in a Hospital, etc. However, it would create doubt since he has claimed to have been born in a hospital. The way his records are treated, we may never know.


21 posted on 06/14/2010 11:59:13 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Personal Responsibility

You’re right, but it would take a court order to get the records. Because of HIPAA law, hospitals can’t release that information.


22 posted on 06/14/2010 12:05:03 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Personal Responsibility
If the birthers are right then there should be (X) number of births and (X-1) number of admitted women in labor.

Many Birthers believe Obama, if born in Hawaii, was born at home.

That's why his birth registration number is higher than the Nordyke Twins. Grandmother Dunham didn't register the birth for two-three days.

23 posted on 06/14/2010 12:17:12 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: pnh102

If you read the article, he couldn’t say anything while he was still employed with the state. The state has confirmed that he did work there and his title was what he said it was. Only now that he doesn’t have a gov’t job can he say anything.


24 posted on 06/14/2010 12:23:07 PM PDT by raymcc ((How did our country become a bastion of uneducated, ignorant individuals??))
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To: FrankR

He signed a non disclosure agreement that has now lapsed.


25 posted on 06/14/2010 12:26:01 PM PDT by raymcc ((How did our country become a bastion of uneducated, ignorant individuals??))
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To: pnh102
...where was he in 2008?

Supporting Hillary for Prez.

26 posted on 06/14/2010 12:55:36 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: FrankR

“here is this guy waiting until almost armageddon before he steps forward.”

Maybe we can sue him for negligence or aiding and abetting a felony? We could ask for $9 trillion in damages, as that is what the first 2 years of the Obama administration will have cost by the time he leaves office.


27 posted on 06/14/2010 1:31:24 PM PDT by DrC
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To: Beckwith

Where Obama was born is of no importance concerning occupying the office of POTUS.
His father was not a citizen of the US Ever, Period....
Therefore he is not a Natural Born Citizen, so cannot be president per the Constitution.


Take heart friend. When you can’t cut off the head of the snake because he is “Protected” from those at the top. YOU simply do what we have been doing, take out his support,one person at a time. By november, I hope to see Pelosi gone, Reid gone, Murtha (well, he took himself out), one by one, they are resigning, retireing, quitting races, and one by one, his support base is failing. We will remove him from the bottom up.
I repeat my dream, he will, while still in office, see HealthCare repealed. His veto will be overwhelmingly defeated. He will have his programs dismantled, his czars removed, the military will be refunded, Iraq will be on its own, Afganistan, with Osama gone will be abandoned, now that it has found riches in its soil, they no longer need us, capitalism will take hold, as their greed eliminated the need for the Poppy. Our loans will be reduced by repaying unspent monies, companies will survive or fail based on their abilities not our pocketbooks, housing loans will be given to those who can truly afford them. Small business will be allowed to keep its profits, and those that fail will do so because that is what should happen to them based on the market, or their efforts. Chrysler dealers will get their companies back, and those who got sweetheart deals will lose theirs, because they should never have gotten them to begin with. People will get back to work, and Bush tax cuts will become permanent.
Again, just my dreams, but the biggest one is that Obama will show or fail to show us his birth certificate, and we will have a Supreme Court with the cajones to demand that he produce it.

OK that one was over the top...but hey, a guy can dream right?


28 posted on 06/14/2010 2:04:39 PM PDT by etraveler13
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To: raymcc

Is this guy trying to committ Chicagocide?
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29 posted on 06/14/2010 2:52:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: bmwcyle

“Obama can’t organize a child’s party let alone a hit on someone.”

.
But Rham can....


30 posted on 06/14/2010 2:53:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: RexBeach

Mensa member, not!
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31 posted on 06/14/2010 2:56:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Sola Veritas

“I wished they could prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii or that there is no real documentation that he was (a witnessing physician or midwife).”

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It’s his obligation to prove he was.
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32 posted on 06/14/2010 2:58:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: bmwcyle
Obama can’t organize a child’s party let alone a hit on someone.

Ask Donald Young about that.

33 posted on 06/14/2010 3:09:29 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: raymcc

Ooooo...now that is a fact, or are you speculating, or what? I haven’t heard about this.


34 posted on 06/14/2010 3:27:33 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: raymcc
If this is true we have major FRAUDand something should be done about it! BOzo is a usurper and he and Pelosi need to be behind bars now.
35 posted on 06/14/2010 3:35:17 PM PDT by jetson
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To: DrC

I’m sure someone on this board thought that was cute...


36 posted on 06/14/2010 5:20:22 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: editor-surveyor
It’s his obligation to prove he was. .

Sorry, but no court as yet, has found that anyone in the US has standing to even ask the question.

37 posted on 06/14/2010 6:23:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Sola Veritas
If he was born at home we would have heard about that. It would be family folklore.

The more this drags on, I have more doubt that he was born in the US. He is now mocking roughly 50 percent of the population by holding back a BC if he has one.

I have switched camps. I dont think he was born in the USA. A US citizen would show his BC and Order Mr. Lakin to get back to work.

This guy is a total scumbag if he's holding back a US BC.

38 posted on 06/14/2010 8:08:28 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER; Sola Veritas
If he was born at home we would have heard about that. It would be family folklore.

I know of someone who was a "home birth." Right away, within the week, the parents filed the birth with the state's Dept. of Health/Vital Records. This person has a certified short form BC.

There's nothing wrong with being born at home as opposed to being born in a hospital. If BO really had been born at home (in HI or elsewhere in the U.S.) you'd think he'd make a big deal of it, as if he'd been born in a log cabin, or a little grass shack, or something.

Curious, isn't it?

39 posted on 06/14/2010 8:18:42 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: raymcc
To my knowledge, no one has debunked the Kenyan document with the footprint on it.

Maybe we have seen the BC. Maybe that's why he's not showing it.

40 posted on 06/14/2010 8:22:04 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: thecodont
Yes. A home birth is a bragging right in the 21st century. We would know.

The fact that he is allowing the court martial of Mr. Lakin to go forward is very telling. He either cant show a BC to stop it, or If he has a BC and is allowing this to go forward he is despicable and worthy of contempt from all Americans. Im betting he is a foreign born dirtbag.

41 posted on 06/14/2010 8:29:44 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: etraveler13

I don’t think your “dream” is a dream at all. The only real wealth this (or any other nation) has ever really had is in its people’s ability and willingness to produce said wealth, and we still have that in our national character (for the most part).

Everything you said about Obama’s Marxist agenda being dismantled, brick by brick, will come true after November, and in the subsequent two years leading up to the next presidential inauguration.

No, you’re not having a dream at all. You’re seeing the future.


42 posted on 06/15/2010 3:36:21 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

“This should be easy to check.

There are two hospitals in question. They should all have logs or records of who was admitted and for what. There can’t have been more than a dozen births at each hospital over a two day period around Obama’s birth.

Match up all the admitted women in labor with actual births and birth certificates.

If the birthers are right then there should be (X) number of births and (X-1) number of admitted women in labor.

QED.”

Yes, why don’t you get right on this task....easy peasy.=)


43 posted on 06/15/2010 8:57:53 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: raymcc; LucyT; Fred Nerks; rxsid; ExTexasRedhead; 2ndDivisionVet; butterdezillion

Tim Adams is a Fraud!

He is a mouthpiece of the Left, and all you need to do is read what he says to know it.

This is yet another ruse intended to steer us away from the real issue.

He said that he will testify in court that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

"I was told at the time there is no long-form birth record, which would have been the case if President Obama was born in [a] hospital in Honolulu."

Duh! Of course he would say this in court knowing, full well, that it is HEARSAY EVIDENCE and would promptly be thrown out of court.

His other statements are also unsupported and basically, nonsequiturs:

"[Obama] does have a [Certification] of Live Birth, which is given to children of families who are residents of Hawaii when children are born outside the state. So, I assert that he was born outside of Hawaii. Now, we can't tell you where he was born. Some of his family members said that he had been born while his mother was on a trip overseas. "

First of all, Obama does not have a Certification of Live Birth, and that alone outs Adams as an Obamaton. Secondly, COLBs were given to everyone - not just to "children of resident families born outside of Hawaii." Thousands of children were home-birthed - including the children of immigrants (many illegally brought there) working the sugar and pineapple plantations of Hawaii, aka SLAVE LABOR.

BTW, how is it that the Preesident and his libtards never talk about the Chinese, Japanese, and Filipino slaves brought to Hawaii? You know, the people who were still slaves LONG AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation?

Or, do Obama and Holder think that "Coolie" was a term of endearment?

("For someone who says he was born in Hawaii, he sure does not act like one." - the only quote about Obama's birthplace made by Linda Lingle, Governor of Hawaii, prior to December 2008.)

Adams continues:

"When I mentioned this, it got people's attention. They also did not like my conclusions that since President Obama does have a [Certification] of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, that he was born a U.S. citizen. "

So, let me get this straight: Adams says (a) Obama was not born in Hawaii, yet (b) because he has a COLB that says he was born in Hawaii, then (c) he was born a U.S. citizen?

What kind of convoluted logic is that? Answer: liberal logic. Adams has a lot of trouble putting two thoughts together and coming up with a coherent statement. Par for the course.

"And during the initial part of the campaign, when questions about his eligibility to be president came up – including Senator McCain because he was born in Panama – that both these men were vetted by the same process as any other presidential candidate."

McCain and Obama were NOT vetted like any other Presidential candidate in history. Obama was not even vetted like McCain: there was no Senate resolution passed for Obama like there was for McCain. Aside from the resolution not conferring natural-born stratus on McCain, it did prove that the consensus of opinion among all Senators was that a child born to two US citzens on a US Navel Base serving their country overseas SHOULD not be excluded from running for President.

Now, compare McCain's eligibility claim to Obama's.

If what Adams says is true, then Obama is a foreign-born President with a British citizen Father and a Mother unable to automatically pass along her US citizenship to him.

In other words, Obama was not a natural-born citizen or even a native-born citizen. Clearly, Adams is clueless about the Constitution and the laws regarding citizenship

Obama has provided NO proof of where he was born. Obama could have been born in Iran, Afghanistan, or North Korea, for all we know, yet the fact remains that he has continually refused to provide any concrete proof of his birth ANYWHERE.

It means, Mr. Adams, that Obama has not met the Article II requirements of the Constitution and may not be a citizen of any variety.

"So, while we may not agree, some people say that because of Article 2 of the Constitution, President Obama was not eligible to be president. That's not a question that we can answer."

Who's "We?" Sixty million people are "Some people?" Answering the question of "Who is Barack Obama?" is the most important question in history that we MUST answer. Otherwise, we will have a flood of Manchurian candidates seeking the presidency who were born in hostile countries with no allegiance to America.

"The people who are in charge of saying who is eligible to run for president have already vouched that he was indeed an eligible candidate. If we disagree with that, we don't need to go after the man. We need to look at the process by which candidates are vetted for public office."

Total baloney! We disagree with the fact that no vetting was done at all. There is a laundry list of bonafides that Obama has refused to disclose. No, Mr. Adams, we need to go after the man who lied about everything having to do with his biography, and who has also passed off forged government documents to hide keep it hidden.

"A facsimile of it [COLB] has been put online," said Adams.

Of course, he would say this bald-faced lie.

"In my professional opinion, he definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

What "professional opinion?" The only "profession" he is in is being a student. He has no proof to back up what he claims, and he is so not an expert on birth certificates or any other vital records that Obama has.

The question that should have been put to him was, "Do you know what is contained in Obama's birth record?"

His answer would have been, "What is on the Certification of Live Birth."

We are not amused.

44 posted on 06/21/2010 11:29:19 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: RexBeach

RexBeach, the Hawaii DOH has indirectly confirmed, in 2 different ways through official communications, that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. The best they have for him is an amended (and probably also late) BC - which doesn’t qualify as prima facie evidence, which should mean that his EVVE record has a void flag on it, showing that he is undocumented. Any traffic cop who did a check on his status would be able to see this immediately.

That’s probably why Obama’s apparatus (apparently) set up the system so that if a cop checked he wouldn’t get the information and he WOULD get reported as trying to access information he’s not supposed to get. They did the reverse operation for the passport files - they set the system up to IGNORE the 3 instances of unlawful access to Obama’s passport. Just enough times to be able to change out the records to what they wish had been in there originally.

But it also means that there is no way in heck that Nancy Pelosi did even the most rudimentary check of Obama’s eligibility. She absolutely perjured herself when she signed the Hawaii certificate of nomination saying that Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.

On my blog at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/ I document some of the laws that have been broken in order to cover the fact that Obama is not eligible to be POTUS.

What people need to realize is that government, media, and law enforcement at all levels either winked at laws broken or actually participated in breaking the laws. This issue is actually about whether we have the rule of law in this country. All the lawlessness that we’ve seen since Obama took over this nation (and I use those words deliberately) was only possible because people let him and his thugs in positions of power break laws in order to get him elected.


45 posted on 06/21/2010 11:57:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
-- If the birthers are right then there should be (X) number of births and (X-1) number of admitted women in labor. --

Not accounting for multiple births, see, for example, the Nordyke twins.

46 posted on 06/21/2010 12:00:11 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Polarik; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
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Tim Adams is a Fraud!

He is a mouthpiece of the Left, and all you need to do is read what he says to know it.

This is yet another ruse intended to steer us away from the real issue.

He said that he will testify in court that Obama was not born in Hawaii. "I was told at the time there is no long-form birth record, which would have been the case if President Obama was born in [a] hospital in Honolulu."

Duh! Of course he would say this in court knowing, full well, that it is HEARSAY EVIDENCE and would promptly be thrown out of court.

His other statements are also unsupported and basically, nonsequiturs:

More at Post # 44.

[Thanks, Polarik.]

47 posted on 06/21/2010 12:35:31 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Polarik
He is a mixed up and confused liberal. I like to see what he knows and does not know where he should write a detailed affidavit, then it can be determined if everything he knows is hearsay or not.

Hearsay evidence is not always worthless.

Grand Jury - Hearsay Evidence Admissible?

48 posted on 06/21/2010 1:00:58 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Polarik; LucyT
"I was told at the time there is no long-form birth record, which would have been the case if President Obama was born in [a] hospital in Honolulu."

IIRC, in his initial statement, he said his superiors told him this as well as it was common knowledge amongst all involved...has anyone asked him to come up with some names?

Maybe someone would be brave enough to corroborate his statements?

Just askin, maybe this has been addressed but if it has I missed it.

49 posted on 06/21/2010 1:05:12 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: mrmeyer; raymcc

Lt. Harris???


50 posted on 06/22/2010 7:59:29 AM PDT by danamco (")
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