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End Game, Gold Investors Will be Destroyed
Market Oracle ^ | June 15, 2010 | Shelby H. Moore

Posted on 06/15/2010 5:08:26 PM PDT by Errant

"...there is a group of elite (the leaders of the banksters wolfpack) who control the majority of the world's gold, and they are above the law and do not pay taxes, because they print our money and they make our laws. They were adding to their enormous historical gold hoard at the bottom in price, when they ordered the Central Bank to sell and lease it. I am not referring to the people we see on TV, but the untouchables such as Rockefellers and Rothschilds, who are at the highest levels. Note I am not making a specific allegation against any person or family, just using those names since many people associate them with the inner elite circle. Rothschild wrote, "he who owns the gold, makes the rules". I will add to that, "he who owns the most gold, doesn't pay taxes, because he makes the rules"..."

"...I am not arguing that we should not retain some physical gold+silver for small time bartering and for insurance against other possible outcomes and if necessary to physically escape some war of fascist environment. I am arguing that we should not have our entire networth in physical metals and those hoarding metals hoping to become super-rich are in the words of a Treasury official, "going to have their arms burned up to their armpits..."

(Excerpt) Read more at marketoracle.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: collapse; economy; gold; silver
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To: 2aberro

“So you are willing to shoot someone because they are food?”

I know it’s seems extreme, but there have been Documented cases of this in the Past and you would be surprised How Morally Flexible many people will become When the Stores are empty and they run out of food.


51 posted on 06/15/2010 6:04:49 PM PDT by SwedeBoy2
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To: Errant
This article is from the UK. The US physically is in far, far, far, better shape than western European nations. There is enough energy, there is enough arable land, there is plenty coast line and fishery. But again that is physically, not politically.

Canada and Australia likewise are well endowed, even more so than the US.

It is the sinister political agenda that we must deal with. George Soros, or the Rothschilds, couldn't care less if the US is brought to its knees in the global context. We are dealing with a paradigm of global subversion, and some know it, e.g. Sarah Palin.

We could be living in the remaining garden on Earth, but that is NOT the agenda - "those fifty million unconscious illegals, let'em in."

Is this not obvious?

Johnny Suntrade

52 posted on 06/15/2010 6:10:03 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: SwedeBoy2
I know it’s seems extreme, but there have been Documented cases of this in the Past and you would be surprised How Morally Flexible many people will become When the Stores are empty and they run out of food.

which is why I have .22 ammo stored, dried beans and rice stored,,, and a creek near by for water and fishing. I'll be ok.

PS,,,blue jay ain't bad grilled :-)

Pss,,, bigger weapons for bad guys......

53 posted on 06/15/2010 6:11:43 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: UCANSEE2
I'd say the guy must never have been to BARTERTOWN.

Embargo on!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

54 posted on 06/15/2010 6:11:51 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: farmguy
So you are willing to shoot someone to take their food?

Only if their name ends with a (D).

And I wouldn't even necessarily have to be hungry, or even particularly low on supplies.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

55 posted on 06/15/2010 6:13:29 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Errant
The problem with gold is the people that have the most of it think there will be banks to turn it into cash....or barter for food....in which case,,, what would a pound of rice be worth and how do you cut up the gold coin? If its real.

.22 ammo is by far more reliable for trade and is instantly recognizable and testable. Gold ain't!

57 posted on 06/15/2010 6:22:14 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: SteamShovel

Bullets and guns are a better investment. One bullet will grow in value, not go down.


And if I have enough bullets and guns, and I have $100,000 of waelth left to secure, yowhat would you advise I buy (Supposing I have a few years of food stored, and all the fuel I need)?


58 posted on 06/15/2010 6:25:16 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: jnsun
Is this not obvious?

It's obvious to a few, a very few. Most are lost in greed or fear or everyday needs.

I agree America (parts of America), Canada, Australia and several other countries are in better shape to weather a worldwide economic collapse better than others (e.g. UK, Europe, Africa, Middle East, South America).

What's coming IMO will be instigated a by "global cabal" and they will pit the world's religions, economies and societies against one another.

It will be a hell of a fight... I think in the end survivors will see God's will done...

59 posted on 06/15/2010 6:26:15 PM PDT by Errant
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To: 2aberro

Please describe to me the historical incidents where a person in a society where some food was available, and who had an AK47, starved to death


Those would be rare. Bt those who use guns to rob people of their food still end up dead, just more expeditiously than by starvation.


60 posted on 06/15/2010 6:26:43 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: 2aberro
I think they will both be able to be traded to an extent. Just make sure you don’t have to depend upon a barter to survive.
61 posted on 06/15/2010 6:29:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: sfg-18b

Don’t forget the knowledge, experience and skill to provide for your family and properly manage the herd.


62 posted on 06/15/2010 6:31:30 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: Beelzebubba
Those would be rare. Bt those who use guns to rob people of their food still end up dead, just more expeditiously than by starvation

Point of order....those with Ak's, AR's, .22's etc will protect those that have farms, whiskey distilleries, etc. I'll for-go gold for guns thank you...PS....just because we have firepower does not make us thieves...maybe just the opposite.

63 posted on 06/15/2010 6:34:41 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: 2aberro

Agreed. Gold is a bad investment unless you sell it high, which any average joe will surely anticipate. sarc/ The problem with gold is that it can dive to nothing in a few hours. Silver is more stable. Or even diamonds. I think gold is a sucker’s bet. And those of use who are well-armed, will dominate. Thus, lead can be turned into “gold”, when needed.


64 posted on 06/15/2010 6:58:48 PM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: 2aberro

Point of order....those with Ak’s, AR’s, .22’s etc will protect those that have farms, whiskey distilleries, etc. I’ll for-go gold for guns thank you...PS....just because we have firepower does not make us thieves...maybe just the opposite.


So. You have plenty of guns. What do you store your wealth in? More guns?


65 posted on 06/15/2010 7:28:55 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: Errant

Ok,all of you experts:

What do you suppose the new ore discoveries in the Middle East will mean to our gold “market”?

short run?

long run?


66 posted on 06/15/2010 7:30:21 PM PDT by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: Errant

The insiders can set up anyone, and will shake them them down too.

Fact is, if things ever got bad enough, ya could trade hand full of gold for a ham sandwich....


67 posted on 06/15/2010 7:30:48 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
ya could trade hand full of gold for a ham sandwich....

Or a wheelbarrow running over with $100 bills...

68 posted on 06/15/2010 7:37:12 PM PDT by Errant
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To: bannie
short run = IMO negligible...

I'm not sure there will be a long run.

Debt is the four letter word to watch out for, not gold...

69 posted on 06/15/2010 7:42:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Nervous Tick
I’m looking to put my money into dirt.

Ooooh, did I ever rile folks up here who think they're going to buy food with gold. Hate to tell them, if there is no food then no amount of gold will make a loaf of bread appear. You have the right idea with dirt. Dirt will provide that loaf of bread. Just make sure that dirt is protected with some brass.

70 posted on 06/15/2010 7:46:33 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

>> Ooooh, did I ever rile folks up here who think they’re going to buy food with gold.

Folks who own gold take owning gold quite seriously.

Fact is, I don’t KNOW what’s going to happen. Neither do the gold bugs, or you, or anyone else.

All any of us can do is to take our chances on our best educated guess as to what will happen, and plan our affairs accordingly.

Best of luck to you. And your point about “brass” is well taken.


71 posted on 06/15/2010 7:59:06 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Nervous Tick

You don’t need dirt to grow veggies:

http://www.hydroponicvegetablegardening.com/


72 posted on 06/15/2010 10:30:49 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: All; PA Engineer; blam; TigerLikesRooster; Cheap_Hessian; CJinVA; Jet Jaguar; OneLoyalAmerican; ...

Goldbug ping

Mail me to get on or off the Free Republic Goldbug Ping List.


73 posted on 06/15/2010 10:45:59 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: PA Engineer; blam; TigerLikesRooster; Cheap_Hessian; CJinVA; Jet Jaguar; OneLoyalAmerican; ...

“Special” Goldbug ping

Let’s just retire the trophy — what trophy I don’t quite know — on this response.


74 posted on 06/15/2010 10:52:46 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

BTTT!


75 posted on 06/15/2010 10:59:06 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: 2aberro
no,,, but .22 ammo is better than gold. Yes, it can be traded for food........... which I grow and kill.

Whatever you kill will be gone in less than a year. Think of Stalingrad and Leningrad. The people with the pink complexion are the ones that dined on you the previous evening. You are new here. Think about it.
76 posted on 06/15/2010 11:37:04 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: SwedeBoy2
Morally Flexible

I like that. A video game. Heck, I am going to snipe for points. Screw everything else.
77 posted on 06/15/2010 11:44:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: 2aberro
.22 ammo is by far more reliable for trade and is instantly recognizable and testable. Gold ain't!

Ya think newbie? I'll trade 45,9, and specialty 12 for some of that gold. You will be food.
78 posted on 06/15/2010 11:48:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Beelzebubba
So. You have plenty of guns. What do you store your wealth in? More guns?

Check out the born of dates. These are cat food. ;-)
79 posted on 06/15/2010 11:50:43 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: jiggyboy

Thanks for the ping. Many weekend survivalists and plants on this one.


80 posted on 06/15/2010 11:56:29 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Errant

:-) Danke!


81 posted on 06/16/2010 12:48:25 AM PDT by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: PA Engineer
Whatever you kill will be gone in less than a year. Think of Stalingrad and Leningrad. The people with the pink complexion are the ones that dined on you the previous evening. You are new here. Think about it.

You must live in the city,,, I don't. New here? Been here for over six years,, but whose counting...

82 posted on 06/16/2010 2:05:01 AM PDT by 2aberro
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To: bannie; jiggyboy

Bernanke: ‘Things Will Come Apart’ If Entitlements Are Not Reformed and Spending Controlled
Thursday, June 10, 2010
By Matt Cover, Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) – Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke delivered a frank assessment to Congress on the fate of the economy if entitlement programs are not restructured. On Wednesday, Bernanke warned that “things will come apart” if Congress allows the federal entitlement programs and the deficit spending they cause to continue on their unsustainable path.

Speaking at a hearing of the House Budget Committee, Bernanke offered his dire prediction after being asked what would happen if Congress did not take action to head off the impending crisis brought on by unsustainable entitlement spending, led primarily by Medicare.

“The entitlement programs are not self-funded,” Bernanke said, “they are unfunded liabilities. They are the single biggest component of spending going forward.”

Bernanke said that there were several ways Congress could fix these problems, which amount to approximately $53 trillion in unfunded liabilities, but that eventually Congress must address the issue.

“There are various ways you could address this – you can restructure entitlement programs [or] you can cut other things – but at some point you need to address the overall budgetary situation. If you don’t, you’ll get a picture like this one [pointing to a graph showing a steep rise in interest rates and debt] where interest rates are rising and debt outstanding is growing exponentially.


83 posted on 06/16/2010 5:49:16 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 2aberro

From Jim Sinclair:

Dear Extended Family,

You know that I practice what is written. As an example of that, please see the December 2001 career review about me that was carried in Forbes.

I live in a totally rural area of North Western Connecticut. I firmly believe that utilities are not one of your civil rights.

There are 14,000 gallons of buried fuel made up of heating oil, diesel and gasoline. The entire property can be run by my 2x 20,000 KW marine diesel engine electric generators without any need for conservation. There are four drilled wells that feed into an underground holding tanks room in which there are two 4500 gallon tanks with only their face showing on one wall.

The 9000 gallons of fresh water goes from the underground room into a 500 gallon holding tank in the house. I have three distillers that make water as Connecticut water is always hard. There are intruder lights at all entrances to the property. All driveways have metal detectors.

There is a 16 camera 24 hour security system that plays on any computer I use. The security system not only shows the office entry but also scans the property and inside the barns. They can be downloaded onto a hard drive and take recorded pictures, time dated, triggered by motion.

I have a 65 foot indoor pistol range capable of taking .50 caliber rounds into a Detroit bullet trap underground in a field. The range takes 800 cubic feet of air down range and exhausts into a field so you do not die from inhaling your hobby.

We do farm equipment and auto repair, painting, carpentry and masonry (with the exception of chimneys) ourselves.

We have a heavily populated 90,000 gallon fish pond. My root cellar is 16 by 16 by 10. My long dormant hen house is being resuscitated.

We are over ridden by deer and in need would have no problem laying up meat.

The equipment required for all tasks from farming to all kinds of hunting is in over supply. I am trained in all the talents of taking care of myself.

Having spent many years living in developing nations in Asia and Africa, this is simply how I have lived.

Why you ask, in North America? The answer is simple.

It follows directly on Bill’s question today concerning the proverbial but purely semantical argument of inflation vs. deflation. Hyperinflation, a currency event which is certain to occur, will disrupt for economic reasons the distribution of food, bottled water, medicine and utilities.

The currency event will be that of the entire Western world, not simply the dollar. It is not the lack of these items as much as it is the disruption economically of the means of distribution that require us all to think beyond gold.

Vacation homes in rural settings are smashed price wise. Owning such a residence might enhance normal family life, and become an island for those few months when distribution collapses due to hyperinflation.

Don’t laugh, it is going to happen to some degree.

The most fun is my garden pictured below. A garden plus a root cellar means storage over the winter months for important natural food items. Our apple crop, that which is not made into sauce or cider, goes into a walk in frost room for preservation.


84 posted on 06/16/2010 5:50:56 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
(Greek) Hospitals near meltdown - suppliers owed $6.8 billion

An example of a debt crisis that could trigger a chain reaction leading to worldwide economic meltdown. While Greece may not have the critical debt mass necessary, Italy or Spain with trillion dollar deficits or multiple countries defaulting do.

85 posted on 06/16/2010 7:31:11 AM PDT by Errant
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Local Government Bankruptcies May Become Reality

With Michigan cities facing budget crises, many experts say the worst is yet to come, and some believe the state will begin to see municipal bankruptcies. Pressure from both the revenue and spending sides is creating the risky financial situations. Some say it may be the worst since the Great Depression.

86 posted on 06/16/2010 8:24:33 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
Forecasting the Next Crisis

“Estimates say that the average debt in the richest nations will exceed one hundred percent by the year 2011,” he says.

87 posted on 06/16/2010 10:06:14 AM PDT by Errant
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To: dragnet2

Fact is, if things ever got bad enough, ya could trade hand full of gold for a ham sandwich....


Except for an absurd desert island shipwreck scenario (I’m not a sailor) your point is utterly ridiculous, and unsupported by any evidecne in human histiry (other than equally improbabl scenarios).


88 posted on 06/16/2010 11:41:51 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: bgill

Ooooh, did I ever rile folks up here who think they’re going to buy food with gold. Hate to tell them, if there is no food then no amount of gold will make a loaf of bread appear. You have the right idea with dirt. Dirt will provide that loaf of bread. Just make sure that dirt is protected with some brass.


I guess you never heard of “farming.” It’s been pretty popular through all of human history. Basically, it works like this: “Farmers” have “dirt” and they grow “food” in it. By growing more food than they need (otherwise, we’d call them “garderners”) they generate a surplus, which they can exchange for other stuff they need more than excess food. because the guy who needs a bushel of wheat might no have the plow component the farmer needs, they usually use some “medium of exchange” (aka “money”) so the farmer gets something like, say...GOLD (or silver for small purchases, or gold to pay off an accounting of multiple purchases) and he spends the gold with the part supplier.

So as has been the case throughout human history, you CAN in fact make a loaf of bread appear with only a very small amount of gold.

If you still don’t get it, remember that the farmer doesn’t trade the food for gold because he wants gold, he trades it for gold because he wants the stuff gold buys.


89 posted on 06/16/2010 11:47:28 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Folks who own gold take owning gold quite seriously.


That’s also generally true of people who have fire extinguishers, and people who buy fire insurance.


90 posted on 06/16/2010 11:48:31 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: bannie
This is an article that appeared today on the Afganistan deposits.

Analysis: Did the "gray lady" get played?

91 posted on 06/16/2010 2:53:21 PM PDT by Errant
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To: ikka
Is it "Special Olympics" night on FR or something?

You must be new around here. I assume you know that there is no historic collapse where every economy on the planet is dependent on each other for economic survival. You have to rely on the imaginations of writers and futurists to get some insight. Anyway, my post was meant in jest because of the hundreds of Gold threads that I have seen. Usually in every thread you have the "you can't eat Gold," "Gold isn't an investment, its a hedge against inflation," and "one ounce of Gold is always worth about what a good suit will cost," "Gold isn't used for anything in manufacturing so keep Silver," "I keep food, supplies and my favorite metal: Lead instead of Gold," etc.

I don't understand why you would bring up Special Olympics, it is a great organization that helps people in need. I hope you were not denigrating it.

92 posted on 06/16/2010 4:45:49 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ErnBatavia
Fine, if you want to give Achmed down at the 7-Eleven a one ounce Kruggerand for a loaf of bread........cause that’s exactly what would be demanded.

Screw Achmed and the camel he road in on.

Build a cadre of neighbors you can trust, stock up on flour and bake your own bread.

Save the gold or silver for buying off a pharmacist to get the antibiotics you need for your kids if they get sick.

Save it for the important stuff, do without or do it yourself.

93 posted on 06/16/2010 4:51:31 PM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Sawdring

I apologize for mis-interpreting your post, I rarely watch Youtube videos... FWIW you can check the join date of a member by moving the mouse pointer over their name on any of their posts.


94 posted on 06/17/2010 6:59:52 AM PDT by ikka
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Spain's Financial System on the Verge of Collapse or Speculators Are Exaggerating Banks Vulnerability
95 posted on 06/17/2010 9:52:52 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
Exerpt from: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article20363.html

To give you an idea about what a hyperinflation looks like, here are some excerpts from The Nightmare German Inflation:

By 1923, the wildest inflation in history was raging. Often prices doubled in a few hours. A wild stampede developed to buy goods and get rid of money. By late 1923 it took 200 billion marks to buy a loaf of bread….Millions of the hard-working, thrifty German people found that their life's savings would not buy a postage stamp. They were penniless….By mid-1923 workers were being paid as often as three times a day. Their wives would meet them, take the money and rush to the shops to exchange it for goods. However, by this time, more and more often, shops were empty. Storekeepers could not obtain goods or could not do business fast enough to protect their cash receipts. Farmers refused to bring produce into the city in return for worthless paper. Food riots broke out. Parties of workers marched into the countryside to dig up vegetables and to loot the farms. Businesses started to close down and unemployment suddenly soared. The economy was collapsing….Meanwhile, middle-class people who depended on any sort of fixed income found themselves destitute. They sold furniture, clothing, jewelry and works of art to buy food. Little shops became crowded with such merchandise. Hospitals, literary and art societies, charitable and religious institutions closed down as their funds disappeared.

96 posted on 06/17/2010 10:00:39 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

yeow!!!!


97 posted on 06/17/2010 10:01:46 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: dennisw; All
Spain plays high-stakes poker game with Germany as borrowing costs surge

Spain has upped the ante in a high-stakes poker game with Germany, pushing for the release of EU stress test results for major banks in a move that risks precipitiating a dramatic escalation of Europe's financial crisis.

"...Francisco Gonzalez, chairman of BBVA, stunned investors earlier this week by admitting that "the majority of the Spanish companies and financial groups are shut out of the international capital markets". He said the country's external debt had reached €1.5 trillion or 147pc of GDP, much of it on short-term maturities. "This debt has become our most overwhelming problem, since €600bn falls due this year," he said. ..."


Jobseekers line up at an employment office in Madrid, Spain.

98 posted on 06/17/2010 10:15:04 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

INFORMATIVE...but way espensive for me


99 posted on 06/17/2010 10:33:22 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: ikka
you can check the join date of a member by moving the mouse pointer over their name on any of their posts.

I already know when you joined. You are still a newbie to me. I have five months on you. ;)

100 posted on 06/17/2010 5:13:22 PM PDT by Sawdring
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