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Android: Sprint Evo vs. Verizon "Incredible"
Discipler

Posted on 06/17/2010 4:31:50 AM PDT by discipler

Are you considering an Android phone. A friend who has a Verizon phone came up to me last week and said that the Verizon Incredible is basically the same as the Sprint Evo. Here are some things to consider:

Why Sprint Evo surpasses Verizon Incredible

Evo has 4.3" screen vs. 3.7" screen. Evo has 1Gig Rom vs. 0.75Gig Rom (3/4 the size of Evo). Evo is 4G and Incredible is not! Evo comes with 8Gig Micro SD card, Incredible nothing. Evo has 50% higher Video Recording resolution. Evo has front facing camera, "Incredible" doesn't. Evo uses micro HDMI out cable, "Incredible" uses micro USB for video out. Evo battery is 1500mAh and "Incredible" is 1300mAh. Oh, and the Sprint Evo has Adobe Flash (lite version).

The "Incredible" has the same processor as the Evo, the 1Gig Snapdragon, but the smaller battery, smaller ROM, no forward facing camera, smaller screen, no SD card provided, and lower video recording makes the "Incredible" just one more example of Verizon taking what could be an awesome phone and paring it down to something less than incredible.


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KEYWORDS: telecom
I have the Sprint Evo and really like it. I have had the three Windows Mobile phones, 1 Blackberry (Tour), and none works as smoothly as this phone. Everything just works. If you are looking for a fantastic phone that makes internet very accessible, get on the Sprint network and get the Evo. And no, I don't work for Sprint.
1 posted on 06/17/2010 4:31:50 AM PDT by discipler
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To: discipler

Sorry - wont buy - Sprint......

I do think they have the best commercials though


2 posted on 06/17/2010 4:33:28 AM PDT by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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To: Patrsup

Sprint CEO is a BIG supporter of barry HUSSEIN obama. Since Dear Leader is an anti-capitalist why should any conservative work to enrich any of Barry’s friends?

Yes, verizon probably supports his also.


3 posted on 06/17/2010 4:36:13 AM PDT by Josa
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To: Patrsup

>> Sorry - wont buy - Sprint......

Why?

(Not arguing with you, just curious.)


4 posted on 06/17/2010 4:37:04 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: discipler

I have heard the battery live is abysmal on the Evo. Not as much on the Incredible.


5 posted on 06/17/2010 4:37:19 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: discipler

Sprint’s WiMax is only giving 2 to 4 Mb/s download speeds on their version of the 4g network (EVDO). Verizon 4g is producing 12Mb/s downloads and capable of much higher. Verizon will also be adding the iPhone4 to its arsenal. I would not walk across the street for Sprint, even if it was free.


6 posted on 06/17/2010 4:43:19 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: TommyDale

I’m a VZW guy true and true, but to be fair, Sprint’s 4G tech is WiMAX. EVDO is VZW and Sprint’s 3G. WiMAX is only available in a handful of big cities. VZW and AT&T are going with LTE for 4G.


7 posted on 06/17/2010 4:54:50 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Nervous Tick

While not a professional truck driver - i have a large pickup and spend 3 to 5 days a week on the road all over the country hauling “special items” for people. I have done the rounds of all the major carriers and keep going back to Verizon - I hate their policies but I can’t beat the network.


8 posted on 06/17/2010 4:58:43 AM PDT by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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To: Dan Nunn

You are right. LTE is what Verizon and AT&T are using. The original poster was comparing phones, but left out the differences in the carriers. Verizon is by far the best in my area.


9 posted on 06/17/2010 5:00:42 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Patrsup

Thanks, that’s useful information.

I see a move in my future to a rural area where the best broadband option will probably be cellular. Sprint “coverage map” is good out there, but I know that isn’t the whole story. Verizon is also pretty good, but everyone I know bitches about Verizon.

The only direct experience I have with Sprint is with data modems in machine-to-machine applications. Sprint works great there, but it’s apples and oranges in comparison to internet access.


10 posted on 06/17/2010 5:02:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: discipler

I’ve been a Sprint customer for 15 years. My service is excellent. I wouldn’t leave Sprint to get an iPhone because the AT&T network is terrible. (My family members who have iPhones continually complain of poor service and dropped calls.)

I have a BB Tour which I like. But when I saw the Evo, I had to have it. Everything iPhone doesn’t, Evo does. I get mine on 7/18.


11 posted on 06/17/2010 5:10:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Dan Nunn

It’s not great, but probably on a par with all such phones. My Blackberry and my Windows Mobile phones were similar. The Evo does everything and it’s a lot of ask of such a battery. I ALWAYS get a battery backup. And Sprint gets a bad rap but I don’t get it. I have been a Sprint customer for years and years and love it. And my anything and everything unlimited service is way cheaper than Verizon. I mean that in a year I save hundreds of dollars over what Verizon would cost. Just saying.


12 posted on 06/17/2010 5:12:07 AM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: Patrsup

Thanks, good to consider. If I was driving all the time, I would be streaming my music and my talk all the time. The Sprint network is great for this.


13 posted on 06/17/2010 5:13:05 AM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: Nervous Tick

I like the unlimited roaming I have with Sprint.


14 posted on 06/17/2010 5:13:52 AM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: discipler

>> I like the unlimited roaming I have with Sprint.

Thanks for the input. I wonder if Verizon has something similar? Did you look into other carriers besides Sprint when you made your decision?


15 posted on 06/17/2010 5:15:12 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: discipler
I have a samsung Instinct on the sprint network. I have never hated a phone and company more. This phone rarely gets a signal, has difficulty connecting when it does...randomly calls people...randomly sends gibberish text messages, all while sitting in my pocket...navagation NEVER works.

I called sprint to complain and of course in the middle of the converstaion, the call is dropped. You'd think they'd have the courtesy to call me back. The EVO is a nice looking phone, but I would never go with sprint again.

16 posted on 06/17/2010 5:19:54 AM PDT by Post5203 (Let's make election 2010 EJECTION 2010. Time for a complete do-over.)
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To: Dan Nunn
I’m a VZW guy true and true, but to be fair, Sprint’s 4G tech is WiMAX. EVDO is VZW and Sprint’s 3G. WiMAX is only available in a handful of big cities. VZW and AT&T are going with LTE for 4G.

Huh? Translation?

17 posted on 06/17/2010 5:27:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: discipler
And Sprint gets a bad rap but I don’t get it. I have been a Sprint customer for years and years and love it. And my anything and everything unlimited service is way cheaper than Verizon. I mean that in a year I save hundreds of dollars over what Verizon would cost. Just saying.

I've been eyeing the new 4G Evo ... waiting until my promotional discount becomes vested in October.

I was previously a Verizon customer for 4 years, and I switched to Sprint specifically for the unlimited service. I pay about 1/3 of the cost compared to my former Verizon bills for the exact same plans (data, internet, text, etc - basically everything).

I do have to say that Verizon was better here in Florida, never dropped a call. But in the Hollywood Hills in LA where I used to live, I got dropped calls all the time; so service really does depend on Area.

I drive to work and there's a spot or two near the Everglades where my sprint phone drops signal, and it does not work in parts of my office building.

However, for 1/3 the cost ... I have no complaints :)


18 posted on 06/17/2010 5:27:43 AM PDT by ddk632 (Tagline coming soon)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The WiMAX Forum WiMAX Architecture

There you go. It should all make sense now.

19 posted on 06/17/2010 5:31:05 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Nervous Tick
>>I like the unlimited roaming I have with Sprint.

Thanks for the input. I wonder if Verizon has something similar?

I think Sprint's "unlimited roaming" means that most of the time, they are using Verizon's towers :)

Verizon has service virtually everywhere I go. West Virginia and some parts of Maryland are sketchy, but I'm usually on "Extended Network" there.

20 posted on 06/17/2010 5:32:48 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Nervous Tick

I highly recommend a MiFi, available on both Sprint and Verizon. However, unlike most broadband companies, both Sprint and Verizon have a 5 gig data cap. Meaning, you should be OK on FreeRepublic and watching Youtube movies, but don’t start streaming movies from Netflix or expect to play online video games.


21 posted on 06/17/2010 5:34:38 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: discipler

I’m still a Blackberry fanboy myself, but you’re right - I have a charger at home, in my car, and at work. I guess that’s the cost of modern technology!


22 posted on 06/17/2010 5:36:22 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: discipler

I might as well throw myself into the lion’s den :-) and recommend a long look at the iPhone 4.

No OS version or app compatibility issues, long battery life, the most apps, and incredible hardware including hands-down the best screen of any phone, period.

You do have to live with AT&T for the time being, but in my experience it’s not bad at all - the most overall coverage of any network including Verizon, and a growing 3G footprint.

Like it or not, Apple is producing the flagship smartphones these days.


23 posted on 06/17/2010 5:43:17 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: discipler

Do you know if AT&T will be offering the Evo?


24 posted on 06/17/2010 5:50:25 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: discipler
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25 posted on 06/17/2010 6:00:45 AM PDT by decimon
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To: discipler

“And Sprint gets a bad rap but I don’t get it. I have been a Sprint customer for years and years and love it.”

Sprint is evil.

My wife had to call every month to get random unrequested features and charges removed from the bill.

6 months after buying new phones for their new all digital system, they suddenly stopped working. Sprint had “upgraded” their system again giving users no option other than buying new phones or signing a 2-3 year contract. We left and never looked back.


26 posted on 06/17/2010 6:18:07 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Dan Nunn

>> I highly recommend a MiFi, available on both Sprint and Verizon.

Thanks; I’ll look into it.

>> However, unlike most broadband companies, both Sprint and Verizon have a 5 gig data cap

I don’t stream a lot of stuff so I may be OK. What happens when you exceed the five gig cap? Your service stops working? They take your firstborn child?


27 posted on 06/17/2010 7:06:42 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

>> Like it or not, Apple is producing the flagship smartphones these days.

Can you replace the battery?


28 posted on 06/17/2010 7:09:45 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Nervous Tick
What happens when you exceed the five gig cap? Your service stops working? They take your firstborn child?

Ha nope, they just raid their college fund. From their Mobile Broadband Plans page, Verizon Wireless' footnote is:

* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB and 250 MB overage rate is $0.10/MB

Sprint's is identical:

3G coverage nationwide: 5GB/mo. in total or 300 MB/mo. while off-network roaming. Additional monthly usage over 5GB costs 5¢/MB.

29 posted on 06/17/2010 7:15:26 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Whoa! That adds up pretty quick.

Thanks.


30 posted on 06/17/2010 7:16:20 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Just wait until you are forced into a battery powered car! You will have a trailer with a generator for your electricity! LOL


31 posted on 06/17/2010 7:18:00 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: Dan Nunn

I have the new Sprint EVO. So far so good. I believe there is a $10 charged for unlimited usage. I have the family plan with 5 phones(4 Sprint and 1 Nextel) and the bill is about $230 for unlimited everything.


32 posted on 06/17/2010 7:24:17 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Cell to any company cell unlimited. Cell to landline is 1500 minutes.


33 posted on 06/17/2010 7:26:16 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: Nervous Tick

“Can you replace the battery?”

No, although that’s an engineering trade-off that also allows for more capacity for a single charge.

There is a clever solution though - clip on large capacity rechargables that both allow use of the phone and recharge it at the same time. I’ve never seen the need myself, I just use a car charger with my current 3G.


34 posted on 06/17/2010 7:39:28 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

>> No, although that’s an engineering trade-off that also allows for more capacity for a single charge.

That “engineering trade-off” ALSO forces obsolescence after two years, give or take.

Little known fact: while rechargeable lithium batteries have a number of strengths in portable applications, they have a short lifetime relative to other chemistries, which is essentially guaranteed by the nature of the lithium battery chemistry.

I don’t care for planned obsolescence products myself. Your mileage may vary.


35 posted on 06/17/2010 7:45:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I believe the spec is that the battery is to maintain 80% capacity after 300 charges with a sharper drop off after that. I charge my smart phone every night, I expect I will need to replace my battery sometime this winter which I can do myself. If I had an iPhone, I would need to send it in for service.


36 posted on 06/17/2010 8:37:28 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Nervous Tick

‘That “engineering trade-off” ALSO forces obsolescence after two years, give or take.’

I think two years is quite on the short side of reality myself. You can get Applecare for a reasonable price that covers any eventuality including water damage etc. for three years. There is also a pay-as-you-go battery replacement program. Of course, the clip-on batteries I mentioned would continue to work regardless.

Given the rate of improvement with these phones, a few years of useful life is probably sufficient for the moment. Perhaps the next generation will use the carbon nanotube supercapacitors for batteries which will feature both nearly instant charging and nearly unlimited recharge cycles.


37 posted on 06/17/2010 10:35:08 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: dangerdoc

“I believe the spec is that the battery is to maintain 80% capacity after 300 charges with a sharper drop off after that. I charge my smart phone every night, I expect I will need to replace my battery sometime this winter which I can do myself. If I had an iPhone, I would need to send it in for service.”

You might consider Applecare, which would cover a faulty batter for three years, at no additional charge (so to speak;).

With the iPhone 4, 80% of capacity would still be better than any comparable phone on the market. It will probably take me 3-4 years of use to exceed 300 charge cycles, but I only do it when necessary.


38 posted on 06/17/2010 10:40:01 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

>> Given the rate of improvement with these phones, a few years of useful life is probably sufficient for the moment.

Like I said, your mileage may vary. I realize I am a late adopter, and I typically hold on to a phone until it crumbles into dust.

I chose my most recent phone because it has a really sturdy hinge on the clamshell (remember what “clamshell phone” means? heh heh) and because when I’m dialing, the numbers are big bright orange old-peep numbers that I can read in the sunlight without my bifocals. ;-)


39 posted on 06/17/2010 10:41:13 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: discipler

I’ve got the Moto BackFlip running Android on AT&T.

Superior touch-screen plus real keypad interfaace compared to my old BlackBerry Bold.

Thousands of free games for my kids to play.

Free Google Maps and GPS sensing.

Read all of your home/work PC’s email, downloaded automatically by the cell phone.

Use all Google Aps/software, as desired.


40 posted on 06/17/2010 10:43:14 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Even if you don’t recharge your phone, Li ion batteries don’t last more than a few years anyway. A new battery is about $30. I can change it out in seconds, I don’t need extended care for that.

As far as iPhone 4 battery life, I would not rely entirely on marketing specs.


41 posted on 06/17/2010 11:03:15 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: PreciousLiberty

I just double checked, I can get a replacement battery for my phone for $30, or for the same money, I can get a 2000 mAh (50% more juice) batter with a custom back cover to fit the slightly larger battery.

As it is, I generally have >50% battery life every night. I go ahead and give it a fresh charge because I don’t have to worry about wearing out the battery faster.


42 posted on 06/17/2010 11:15:04 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: ddk632

The number of dead spots I have is very small. For years I have a spot in my daily drive that the signal always drops. It’s been that way for years. There is a building a frequent that the signal is very poor. But nearly everything else is all go. And the Sprint price is way less than Verizon or AT&T. My families four phones have everything unlimited data and we share 3,000 anytime minutes. Including insurance on all phones, we are a over a hundred dollars less a month for what it would costs with Verizon. Verizon just isn’t worth $350 a month for four phones.


43 posted on 06/17/2010 1:08:23 PM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: dangerdoc

“Even if you don’t recharge your phone, Li ion batteries don’t last more than a few years anyway. A new battery is about $30. I can change it out in seconds, I don’t need extended care for that.”

The extended care also covers any defects, as well as accidents and theft...so hardly an apples to apples comparison eh? :-)

“As far as iPhone 4 battery life, I would not rely entirely on marketing specs.”

Apple has been quite good about that lately, for instance the iPad battery life exceeded what was claimed by Apple in third party tests.

We’ll see once third parties have a chance to do comprehensive testing.


44 posted on 06/17/2010 1:16:16 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: dangerdoc

“I just double checked, I can get a replacement battery for my phone for $30, or for the same money, I can get a 2000 mAh (50% more juice) batter with a custom back cover to fit the slightly larger battery.”

Looking at the first thing I ran across, the “iV”, it’s a bit pricey at $79, but is a 3100 mAh battery with a fully functional USB port and a LED light that doubles as a camera flash. It charges off the standard iPhone charger, and was a Laptop Magazine Editor’s Choice. I’m sure there are less expensive, less functional versions.

http://fastmac.com/iv.php

“As it is, I generally have >50% battery life every night. I go ahead and give it a fresh charge because I don’t have to worry about wearing out the battery faster.”

Over three years it sounds like you’ll be shelling out $90, which is more than Applecare. :-)


45 posted on 06/17/2010 1:21:28 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Sprint’s 5gig cap is for their 3G network. 4G will be unlimited. My area goes live w/ 4G in July. My home wireless is now their 3G/4G router.

I currently have a Blackberry Curve but will consider the EVO once 4G goes live.


46 posted on 06/17/2010 1:28:30 PM PDT by ziravan ("Are you better off now than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?")
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To: PreciousLiberty

3 years on a phone, are you nuts :)

By then, I’m getting the phone that not only makes phone calls, it does the talking for me.

I saw some of those iPhone battery extenders, it made be nostalgic for the brick phones from the early 90’s.

It’s kind of funny, for years, the trend was phones getting smaller and smaller, now phones are getting bigger and bigger. I was kind of drooling over the EVO until I saw one, I’d need to wear pants two sizes too big to carry that in a pocket. By the time I’m up for another phone, people are going to be wearing them around their necks like old school rappers.


47 posted on 06/17/2010 1:44:12 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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