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Philadelphia: Scouts should pay for excluding gays
hosted ^ | Jun 22 | MARYCLAIRE DALE

Posted on 06/22/2010 2:19:41 PM PDT by JoeProBono

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A Boy Scouts chapter in Philadelphia may have ousted just one gay scout in the decade since the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the organization's right to ban gays, but that doesn't mean untold others haven't been shut out, a city lawyer told jurors Tuesday......

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: americanpravda; asspress; boyscouts; bsa; childabuse; cultureofcorruption; fdrq; gay; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; shadowgovernment

1 posted on 06/22/2010 2:19:42 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

And any politician that has his name on the promotion of this idea should pay out monetarily the first time a family has their child molested by a troop leader.


2 posted on 06/22/2010 2:22:45 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Obamanomics :Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses.)
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To: JoeProBono
F off you turd burglars!!

Leave The Boy Scouts the hell alone!

3 posted on 06/22/2010 2:23:05 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: JoeProBono

So much for freedom of association for the BSA...or anyone else these days.


4 posted on 06/22/2010 2:23:57 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: JoeProBono

The cop killing capital of the country sure has its priorities straight.


5 posted on 06/22/2010 2:24:57 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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To: JoeProBono

We have the right to assemble as we see fit. It’s that simple. Don’t need superfluous court cases for such an obvious non-issue.


6 posted on 06/22/2010 2:25:29 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

The BSA has a ban on adult Gays being in the woods with little boys. 12 year old boys shouldn’t even be thinking about being Gay.


7 posted on 06/22/2010 2:28:33 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: JoeProBono

I was not aware the Scouts care about a boy’s sex life (DADT rules...please)- just those of any adult volunteer who wants to be a leader.


8 posted on 06/22/2010 2:29:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: TexasCajun

9 posted on 06/22/2010 2:33:22 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

I live in the Philly ‘burbs-been here 6 years or so. It’s surreal. You hear these Center City hipster wannabe douchebags-they hate Bush, Cheney, etc. The Scouts are “Nazis” because they don’t include gays, etc, the guy who had the “Please speak English” sign outside his cheesesteak stand is the worst person on earth, etc etc but as to Obama, or Islamic terrorism, or the rampant black crime, corruption, and dysfunction destroying the city—all there is is silence


10 posted on 06/22/2010 2:35:03 PM PDT by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: JoeProBono

Years ago, when this issue had assumed a high profile, I remarked to an advocate of letting gay men be Troop leaders, would you allow me to lead a troop of teenage girl scouts?

The answer from the lady was an emphatic NO!

And my reply, but if I was gay you’d let me take charge of a bunch of adolescent boys.

No response.


11 posted on 06/22/2010 2:36:11 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy

BTW, the girl scouts haven’t and won’t go co-ed.

Yet there is constant pressure on the Boy Scouts to go co-ed.

All this pressure only goes one way.


12 posted on 06/22/2010 2:38:18 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: JoeProBono

The exclusion of gays from axis to our children should not only be free, but rewarded!


13 posted on 06/22/2010 2:38:30 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: skr
We have the right to assemble as we see fit. It’s that simple. Don’t need superfluous court cases for such an obvious non-issue.

And Philadelphia can't stop you from doing that. But they can stop you from doing that in a building built on city property without paying rent.

14 posted on 06/22/2010 2:41:17 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: swarthyguy
...would you allow me to lead a troop of teenage girl scouts?

I got to be a Girl Scout leader. It was for a position no women could be found for and was a really long interview.

15 posted on 06/22/2010 2:41:17 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: JoeProBono

The city attorney should simply be required to both name the homosexuals and prove that they are, in fact, homosexuals ~ IN COURT!


16 posted on 06/22/2010 2:41:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: silverleaf
I was not aware the Scouts care about a boy’s sex life (DADT rules...please)- just those of any adult volunteer who wants to be a leader.

If gays are prohibited from being leaders it would stand to reason they'd be prohibited from being members as well.

17 posted on 06/22/2010 2:43:09 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JoeProBono

Note to Philly city government: When they nicknamed it the City of Brotherly Love, I don’t think they envisioned it involving a reacharound.


18 posted on 06/22/2010 2:44:42 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Non-Sequitur
There's a lot of law involved in the property dispute. Apparantly the city gave permission to the Scout's to build a building on city land ~ and required a $1 rent.

End of story.

Now, if that particular contract was invalid, that doesn't mean the city can kick out the Scouts and keep the building for its own purposes. Remember, it's been there a long time, so at some point Pennsylvania's adverse possession laws and standards took over ~ provided the original contract was in error.

It could be the case that the city just simply lost the land ~ and they'll get to pay all court costs for their lawsuit.

19 posted on 06/22/2010 2:45:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
There's a lot of law involved in the property dispute. Apparantly the city gave permission to the Scout's to build a building on city land ~ and required a $1 rent.
End of story.

Not quite. They forgot to get in in writing, and are finding out just how much hand-shake deals with politicians are worth.

Now, if that particular contract was invalid, that doesn't mean the city can kick out the Scouts and keep the building for its own purposes. Remember, it's been there a long time, so at some point Pennsylvania's adverse possession laws and standards took over ~ provided the original contract was in error.

True, and I assume the Scouts can force the city to give them fair market value for the building. I would think that at the very least they can prevent the city from using it in their absence.

It could be the case that the city just simply lost the land ~ and they'll get to pay all court costs for their lawsuit.

A judge will have to decide it. And right now I wouldn't want to predict which way it would go.

20 posted on 06/22/2010 2:51:12 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

adult members- not boys.

different rules.


21 posted on 06/22/2010 2:54:09 PM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: swarthyguy

actually, men can join GS and can lead Girl Scout troops (men only can join GS, boys under age 18 can not be Girl Scouts)

But male GS leaders must have a female co-leader, not related.

And women can be members of Boy Scouts, and can lead Boy Scout troops, many do lead Cub Scout dens...don’t know if they have had any “cougars” take advantage of the boys


22 posted on 06/22/2010 2:58:07 PM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: JoeProBono

I don’t know what point you are trying to make but that picture made me laugh.


23 posted on 06/22/2010 3:00:00 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: silverleaf
different rules

After the Dale decision the Boy Scouts released a statement saying, correctly, that the decision gave them the right to set leadership AND membership standards. If you honestly believe the Scouts don't have a problem with homosexuals as members then I'd like to see where they state that.

24 posted on 06/22/2010 3:05:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Perhaps they should ask the taxpayers about that. Homosexuality is neither a race, a religion nor a creed and has no special constitutional protections.


25 posted on 06/22/2010 3:06:22 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

Want to feel better ?

Look into how the city came to own the building. it was donated by the Boy Scouts.

It’s their building.


26 posted on 06/22/2010 3:06:33 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: dangerdoc

It is good to laugh


27 posted on 06/22/2010 3:07:39 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: skr
Perhaps they should ask the taxpayers about that. Homosexuality is neither a race, a religion nor a creed and has no special constitutional protections.

Apparently they do under the city's anti-discrimination laws.

28 posted on 06/22/2010 3:08:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JoeProBono

Maybe they could work a trade. They could donate a copy of their policy to the church and get one of their many now-empty buildings to use for office space in return.


29 posted on 06/22/2010 3:23:01 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: JoeProBono
Statement: ""The sign on the door scares away ... the gay kids, the gay leaders, the gay employees, before they even apply."

Response: Good!

30 posted on 06/22/2010 3:35:58 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: muir_redwoods

31 posted on 06/22/2010 3:41:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: massgopguy
The BSA has a ban on adult Gays being in the woods with little boys. 12 year old boys shouldn’t even be thinking about being Gay.

That's just part of it. Scouts themselves are prohibited from being homosexual. When you think that Scouts can be members up to 18 years of age, you can see the problems with these "adult" Scouts going camping with pubescent boys in remote areas.

Morally straight means morally straight. Homosexual activists have no morals when it comes to sexuality.

32 posted on 06/22/2010 3:44:04 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: JoeProBono

I hope the plaintiffs (Scouts) are not resting their case on the magnitude of the impact on “gay” scout wannabes, which is completely irrelevant. Even if thousands of openly homosexual boys and adults have been turned away, this shouldn’t have one scintilla of relevancy to the case.


33 posted on 06/22/2010 3:59:53 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Non-Sequitur

The city is discriminating against the scouts in their right of assembly, and the lease is hardly free if the scouts are paying 60-70k per year for buidling maintenance while providing a service to the community. The young man who outed himself apparently prefers to cost the Scouts unnecessary expenditure in order to further his agenda.


34 posted on 06/22/2010 4:50:47 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr
The city is discriminating against the scouts in their right of assembly, and the lease is hardly free if the scouts are paying 60-70k per year for buidling maintenance while providing a service to the community.

Not really, no. The Scouts are free to exclude whomever they want from membership and leadership. The Supreme Court was clear on that. As for the maintenance, it's their building so they should be expected to maintain it. But it's the city's land. And there in lies the rub.

The young man who outed himself apparently prefers to cost the Scouts unnecessary expenditure in order to further his agenda.

I don't know if this is a case of someone outing themselves or a general opposition to the Boy Scout policy and the claim it violates the city's non-discrimination ordinance.

35 posted on 06/22/2010 5:10:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JoeProBono
you can't have gays in the scouts......parents need to feel secure that their children are safe......

Homosexuality is NOT normal. Period.

.....how can I make such a flat statement, easy. Our sex organs are designed for child birth....we only get into trouble because it FEELS GOOD....there is no case that can be made that using the sex organs the way homosexuals do is a NORMAL designed use. PERIOD.
36 posted on 06/22/2010 7:25:42 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Non-Sequitur

” But they can stop you from doing that in a building built on city property without paying rent. “

Built by the scouts, donated to the city by the scouts, maintained by the scouts, and with a permanent right to use granted to the scouts by the deed to the city from the scouts.


37 posted on 06/22/2010 7:28:36 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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38 posted on 06/22/2010 7:30:37 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: skr

The BSA built the building in 1928 and donated it to the city. They have taken care of it ever since.


39 posted on 06/22/2010 7:37:27 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses
Built by the scouts, donated to the city by the scouts, maintained by the scouts, and with a permanent right to use granted to the scouts by the deed to the city from the scouts.

But without title to the land it was built on. Don't forget that part.

40 posted on 06/23/2010 4:03:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

A non sequiter, they have occupied the building they built and that they maintained for generations, under an agreement that gives them perpetual rights to same. The City is breaching that agreement.


41 posted on 06/23/2010 5:46:19 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses
A non sequiter, they have occupied the building they built and that they maintained for generations, under an agreement that gives them perpetual rights to same. The City is breaching that agreement.

Well then produce that written agreement in court and the Scouts win. Problem solved.

42 posted on 06/23/2010 5:50:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

You are not a lawyer, are you? If that agreement was with the KKK and prevented blacks from joining, would the contract be enforceable? That is the tack these pro-queer dirtbags are taking.


43 posted on 06/23/2010 5:52:01 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses
If that agreement was with the KKK and prevented blacks from joining, would the contract be enforceable?

The KKK would have the same problem that the Scouts have with the city's anti-discrimination laws. They just wouldn't have as many supporters.

44 posted on 06/23/2010 5:58:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

So you support the city?


45 posted on 06/23/2010 5:59:16 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses
So you support the city?

I support the Boy Scout's right to exclude anyone they want from membership and leadership positions. I recognize that that right comes with a price. Those who disagree with their position who may have supported them in the past may not do so in the future. So the Scouts can either compromise their position, which I don't think they should do, or give up that support that comes with strings attached. They should stick to their principles and either give up the property in Philadelphia then sue the city for the value of the improvements that they made to the property, i.e. the building, or pay the rent.

46 posted on 06/23/2010 6:39:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
They should stick to their principles and either give up the property in Philadelphia then sue the city for the value of the improvements that they made to the property, i.e. the building, or pay the rent.
Clueless. BTW, a jury says you are wrong.
47 posted on 06/23/2010 11:28:07 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses
Clueless. BTW, a jury says you are wrong.

I know a jury ruled for the Scouts. I don't have a problem with that.

48 posted on 06/24/2010 4:00:29 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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