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**Obama Bombshell** Blue Hawaii: Health Department falsified Obama's birth records!
Youtube FRAUD IN THE USA: The greatest birth certificate fraud in history ^ | 06/25/2010 | Dr. Ron Polland

Posted on 06/25/2010 9:43:42 AM PDT by Polarik

Sometime between October 31, 2008, and July 27, 2009, the dates of Health Director Chiyome Fukino's two press releases, Hawaii amended Obama's birth record. A brand-new Certificate of Live Birth (not Certification of Live Birth) was issued to him.

The DOH Director decides what goes in or gets taken out of birth records. She went on record as saying that "President Obama posted a copy of his certificate on his campaign website" even though she has refused to authenticate it for the past two years. This created a conundrum that could only be resolved by changing Obama's birth records to match what is in that online copy - which is a stone-cold forgery, and Fukino knows it!

That forged COLB also has its origin within the DOH: watch the video to find out the shocking truth as to whose COLB was used for the forgery.

You'll also realize that you've been staring at a forgery this whole time and not realizing that the most obvious sign of it was right there under your noses.

Not only did Obama get a new birth certificate, the certificate itself was designed with him in mind as Rev. 10/08 - coincidentally, the date of Fukino's first press release (10/31/08). Hawaii ditched the old Certification of Live Birth and switched to a hybrid form called a “Certificate of Live Birth” - formerly the name of the long-form birth certificate.

Say, "Aloha" to Obama's new COLB (Certificate of Live Birth):

Click on the thumbnail for a full-size copy


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To: cynwoody; rxsid

Finally, someone is asking me the right questions.

The new 2009 COLB is one of several, genuine paper COLBs I have. I wanted to show everyone what it looked like - up close and personal - but instead of redacting the private information on it, I replaced it with Obama’s information in the same, exact way that Obama’s forger created the fabricated COLB used in Factcheck’s phony photo shoot.

It is a layered composite, created totally in Photoshop, and everyone who has watched video 1-4 or video 2-1 would know that. In fact, if they watched video 2-2, they would know how to make it themselves.

So, while it’s a genuine 2009 form, the information on it originally came from Bambi’s “2007 COLB.” It is this information that I have posited as now being a part of his actual birth records (if “actual” can be used with Bambi).

Now, you see, FReepers are not going to understand how this fits with everything else that has transpired in the past two years to hide Obama’s birth records (and every other record of interest) without watching all four videos from Chapter One (followed or preceded by “It’s the conspiracy, stupid”).

This is the only way to really understand how Factcheck, Politifact, Hawaii Health Dept., and the Obama Campaign/Administration have corrodinated this fraud.


201 posted on 06/25/2010 1:12:27 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Polarik

Just wish that was clear on the original post.


202 posted on 06/25/2010 1:15:22 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: PA-RIVER
None of this that you produced and posted is real?

The extended information on that gray Certificate of Live Birth, once called a "certification" is a demonstration to reflect the Hawaiian DoH changes in the last two years to cover for Obama fraudulent COLB.

203 posted on 06/25/2010 1:16:18 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: jellybean; Admin Moderator; Polarik; LucyT; Fred Nerks; BP2; null and void; little jeremiah

I’m a ‘proud birther’ but this stinks to high heaven!!! Like you said — WTH is going on here? I’ve never seen such ridiculousness as is on this particular thread...

Admin Mod - any chance someone hacked Polarik’s account(s)?

Polarik - Are you doing this on purpose? Have you been threatened, and therefore are trashing your OWN credibility for some reason here? And, if not... You need to answer the questions posed. I have supported your efforts to expose the fraud that was the original on Fact Check.

I support those trying to prove Obama’s ineligibility (even though place of birth doesn’t even MATTER in his case). HOWEVER, what you have done on this thread - with ‘fixing’ what you originally claimed was a *new* certificate FROM Obama is outrageous.

The “O-bots” and trolls may think we birthers are all idiots, but it seems to me that YOU have bought into that too for some reason. My question is WHY did you post this thread. WHY have you created the image on Photobucket, that you admit you now “FIXED”??? I’ll tell you right now, I don’t like being “played”. It’s bad enough that Obama and the Dems are doing what they’re doing, but I do NOT understand your behavior AT ALL.

I don’t HOPE that you’ve been threatened, but I do HOPE that is the reason you’re doing this - that you’re purposely trying to take yourself out of the game. Otherwise???


204 posted on 06/25/2010 1:19:46 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Read my comments to Cynwoody in #201.

The action is not on here, but on my Youtube channel, where there are 90 minutes of videos I made to explain what has happened in the past two years since Obozo’s COLB first appeared on Kos and FTS.

What I’d like for folks to do is to bookmark FR first, then go watch the videos.

I think I’ve covered everything

Later.


205 posted on 06/25/2010 1:20:20 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Polarik; All
When did that NEW “Certificate of Live Birth” make its public debut? I, for one have never seen it before.
206 posted on 06/25/2010 1:21:51 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’m confused as well... This whole thread stinks of SOMETHING. I wanted to ping you on the post I just put up, but forgot to add you to the TO: part. I’ll just say this - I’m NOT liking the feeling I’m getting reading through this thread. I feel like we’re being totally played. I only hope Polarik is trying to do this on purpose due to a threat or something, because that’s the ONLY way I could understand his actions here... Either that, or he REALLY didn’t think this through. It deeply saddens me, frankly.


207 posted on 06/25/2010 1:23:40 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Natural Born 54
Drudge is as close to mainstream as I get when checking the news. Only go to Fox when it is linked from another site. That’s why they need the kill switch.

Yep. They need the Kill Switch to shut down opposition information channels and our ability to organize.

They need to figure out a way to legalize 30 million illegal aliens for their votes.

They need to exploit the Gulf oil spill to maximum effect in order to pass their Cap & Trade abomination.

And on and on and on..... they're basically trying break us.

208 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Yosemitest
Best summary of the evidence yet -- Outstanding!

Thank you!!!

209 posted on 06/25/2010 1:24:38 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Welcome to the Second American Revolution)
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To: justiceseeker93
When did that NEW “Certificate of Live Birth” make its public debut? I, for one have never seen it before.

It's a demonstration. Read 201 that explains it.

210 posted on 06/25/2010 1:25:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: dinap

Where have you been the last two years???


211 posted on 06/25/2010 1:25:28 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Polarik

OK, I’ll gladly take a look through the thread again (and your comment to Cynwoody), and I will go and view the whole video. In the meantime, I’ll shut up. :)


212 posted on 06/25/2010 1:26:15 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: curiosity; Polarik

One word: F I N O !!!


213 posted on 06/25/2010 1:29:10 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: LibertyRocks
I agree with you and read your post above....he should have been upfront on what he wanted to demonstrate.

I'm getting the feeling he also wanted to discredit the Kenyan BC and now it looks like he wants to drive hits to his YT channel.

Not to mention the ammo he's given to the trolls here...very disappointing.

214 posted on 06/25/2010 1:29:54 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: curiosity; pissant
Nope. I've looked at it, and it's all bunk.

That includes you, a bunk aka a F I N O !!!

215 posted on 06/25/2010 1:41:45 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: pissant

Maybe Wiegel meant curiosity instead of Drudge


216 posted on 06/25/2010 1:43:30 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Polarik
If this was about George Bush's eligiblity, would take the Texas Health Department at their word?

I wouldn't. But that's because Bush claimed to have been born in Connecticut, not Texas.

Waitasec...are you saying Bush lied about where he was born? That he wasn't born in Connecticut? Maybe he wasn't born in the US at all! Maybe he was born in Mexico, like George Romney. After all, we simply trusted that he was born in Connecticut, and that he was the natural child of George and Barbara. We never saw a birth certificate to confirm ANY of that. No vital records produced in the ten years since his election? He *must* be hiding something.

Or just maybe, his mother took a secret trip to Africa, gave birth to him there, and then snuck him back into the US, and the whole family covered it up for 50 years, until some random person on the internet made up a rumor about it that turned out to be true.

I mean, that's plausible, right?

217 posted on 06/25/2010 1:46:25 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: musicman; Polarik; All

The question is, where does it originate from, or is it a forgery too, and how many islands comprises Hawaii???


218 posted on 06/25/2010 1:47:14 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It is obvious that the 2 years of intransigence from Obama and his supporters that he has no long form birth certificate. So there is no record of him being born in a hospital or having a birth doctor. Obama’s online COLB is a forgery.

It is inconceivable that Obama was born at home in Honolulu not when Hawaiian hospitals were down the street, and if Obama’s grandmother gave a statement that Obama was born at home, that would go against Obama’s official story that he was born in hospital. I doubt if that would pass any legitimate scrutiny. So that leaves where was Obama born? If not in Hawaii then where? The whole country of Kenya thinks he was born in their own country; that seems to be likely since Obama refuses to prove that he was born in Hawaii.


219 posted on 06/25/2010 1:48:17 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; Polarik
However, The Smith's Obama Kenyan BC has stood up to scrutiny so far where the critics have come up lacking.

Red,

You're entirely missing Polarik's point about the provenance of Smith's Kenyan BC.

provenance (noun)
1: origin, source
2: the history of ownership of a valued object or work of art or literature

Polarik: "But, Birthers kept looking at images of Kenyan birth certificates and thinking they must be real, without ever questioning their provenance. As long as they continue do that, they will be easily fooled."
Until Smith provides indisputable proof of his physical trip to Kenya, the provenance of his Kenyan BC cannot begin to be established. Listen to Polarik on this point. "Don't believe everything you see." Examining/Verifying the data on Smith's Kenyan BC doesn't establish the provenance of the document itself.

Tex

220 posted on 06/25/2010 1:49:58 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: rodguy911
oh gee, we hate to see you leave!(Don’t let the door hit you in the As__on the way out.)

What the heck are you talking about? Where did I say I was leaving? Or am I supposed to leave because Polarik has blown his credibility?

221 posted on 06/25/2010 1:51:04 PM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: jellybean

You have to understand the birther mentality. If you question anything about birtherism, you’re labeled a troll and an Obot.

So, even though you’ve been here longer than most others, you are now clearly an Obot troll. /s

Get it?

Tex


222 posted on 06/25/2010 1:58:17 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

And that’s exactly why he spams here all the time


223 posted on 06/25/2010 1:59:13 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Windflier

The states have got to do more. That’s where real resistance is. You folks in Texas have got to get Gov. Good Hair to get the legislature to a special meeting about border security and to enact the AZ illegal immigration law. Militias to the border with guns with ammo and a law that gets as many illegals out as possible asap. If amnesty is passed by some nefarious means, the fewer illegals here, the better. The red state residents should adopt an old slogan from the Reagan days and tell their states to “just say no” to anything that comes out of D.C. and then stick to it. They can only break us if we let them. Time to stop pussy footing around.


224 posted on 06/25/2010 2:00:56 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Post #201 explains the reason for Polarik’s making the NEW certificate and the thead.

Best I can tell ya.....


225 posted on 06/25/2010 2:03:04 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Natural Born 54; The Sons of Liberty

Shouldn’t there be a death certificate available to the public???


226 posted on 06/25/2010 2:03:13 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: fanfan

> “They changed it to Black?” <

I caught too!


227 posted on 06/25/2010 2:03:23 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I didn't miss his point. He has doubts.

Until Smith provides indisputable proof of his physical trip to Kenya, the provenance of his Kenyan BC

However, as I said, his Kenyan BC has withstood the scrutiny or let alone even scratched his birth certificate Your question is on the periphery of his Kenyan Obama birth certificate. He may have good reasons not to give his travel details because of being advised by his legal councel.

Polarik on this point. "Don't believe everything you see." Examining/Verifying the data on Smith's Kenyan BC doesn't establish the provenance of the document itself.

I do not believe everything I see. I gave you 2 examples of Kenyan BCs that I doubt are genuine in my last post to you.

228 posted on 06/25/2010 2:06:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: LorenC
I mean, that's plausible, right?
Yeah like Obama getting his Social Security number from Connecticut....go ahead explain that one!
229 posted on 06/25/2010 2:06:34 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

You haven't seen this?

Or this, Barack H Obama Born in Kenya The REAL Birth Certificate AT LAST!.wmv?
230 posted on 06/25/2010 2:08:40 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Windflier

Boy, you’re gonna have to step over a lot of troll droppings to read my reply. Most of the troops are here. Oh wait, where’s Non Sequitur?


231 posted on 06/25/2010 2:08:50 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Examining/Verifying the data on Smith's Kenyan BC doesn't establish the provenance of the document itself.

It's worth breaking down what data on Smith's BC has and hasn't been verified. Because it falls into rather neat categories.

The first is any information about Obama that was public knowledge before Smith published his document. Family names, dates, birthplaces, occupations. All of this checks out, but then, it was public knowledge, so any competent fake could and would have simply copied the known information. So the fact that that information checks out is hardly evidence in favor of its authenticity.

The second is information about Obama that wasn't public knowledge. Height, weight, width of shoulders, the footprint. This information has NOT been verified. Similarly, there's no birthdate for Obama Senior. (Is it because Senior didn't know his own birthday, or because Senior's birthday wasn't public knowledge when the document was created? If Senior's birthday is reflected on, say, his college records, that would hurt the provenence of Smith's BC.0

The third is hospital data. The certificate number, the doctors' names. The most that's been verified here is that at least a couple of the doctors were real Kenyan doctors. But all that proves is that Smith didn't make the names up; it hardly proves that he didn't seek out the names of real and plausible Kenyan doctors beforehand. Similarly, we don't know if any of the signatures are matches. Thus, none of this data speaks strongly for the provenence of the document.

Also unverified are the seal, the administrator's stamp, and the general form of the document. We don't know if Coast Hospital uses a stamp that looks anything like that, or if they issued birth certificates that look anything like Smith's.

In short, the only data on Smith's BC that has been verified is the same data that Smith could have procured prior to August 2009, when he released it. So you can't trust the data alone to establish the document's authenticity; you have to turn to the credibility or the provider or some other means of authentication.

232 posted on 06/25/2010 2:10:13 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: danamco
And that’s exactly why he spams here all the time

Did you see this whopper at #138;

The state of Hawaii already clarified this months ago. It allows parents to classify their race however they want. Many Africans, especially those of the nationalist variety, like Obama Sr., don't like to be associated with American blacks. It thus makes perfect sense that he would choose to put down "African" rather than "black" on the form.

233 posted on 06/25/2010 2:11:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

The same is true for the alleged Obama COLB at FTS and factlack dot org. Those two forgeries don’t even match each other.


234 posted on 06/25/2010 2:12:56 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Yosemitest

Is that passport stamp a photo of Lucas’ passport? If so, I missed that. (Good thing you keep such good track of things.)


235 posted on 06/25/2010 2:14:07 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Yosemitest; woofie
You haven't seen this?

That's not Smith's passport stamp. woofie, another Freeper, posted that as an encouragement to Smith to show his. If you look carefully, you can see that the dates don't match Smith's story.

236 posted on 06/25/2010 2:15:04 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: Red Steel; BuckeyeTexan
The Smith's Obama Kenyan BC has stood up to scrutiny so far where the critics have come up lacking.

I guess that is only if you ignore WND's investigation of the Smith BC and reported that the Hospital in Kenya denied it was real and the form of the Birth Certificate didn't match any official document within Kenya including birth certificates. There also were some minor clues like date formats, who the doctors were at the time, etc, that while not conclusive, sure do add to the big items to show it was a fake. Someone also pointed out it looked suspiciously like a modified Dominican Republic certificate.

WND isn't exactly a source hostile to the BC movement either. There have been so many fake ones dumped to embarass the movement (such as the 'red background one' or the one with the Dutch watermark that, if translated, mocked 'birthers) that it does well to demand as much, if not more proof of those than we demand the President provide.
Instead, too many are so hoping for change, they latch onto the first thing that they think will bring the promised change (sound familiar).

237 posted on 06/25/2010 2:16:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Jewbacca; Polarik

That jpeg is an admitted photoshop by Polarik. That means Polarik, not the state of Hawaii, not Obama Sr., designated the race as “black.”


238 posted on 06/25/2010 2:19:56 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: The Sons of Liberty
The whole point of 0bamao’s visit to his dying granny was to manufacture a BC. He could’ve cared less about granny.

All the more reason not to bring along MO and the precious grandkids to see their loving grandma one last time. Once upon a time there was a newspaper article online that had the timeline of his trip to Hawaii to be at the bedside of dying typical white granny. IIRC, it stated he was in her apartment building all of 45 minutes. That's just long enough to dig through that closet to find his real bc and vaccination records that he spoke so fondly of in Dreams and tell sis to make sure she keeps her mouth shut.

239 posted on 06/25/2010 2:20:15 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Natural Born 54; Yosemitest; BuckeyeTexan
Is that passport stamp a photo of Lucas’ passport?

No, if you follow the image source, it is a generic image off a travel site.

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&q=site:virtualtourist.com%20passport

240 posted on 06/25/2010 2:20:17 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Red Steel
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that you believed the other two Kenyan birth certificate forgeries.

We'll have to agree to disagree about my questions being a peripheral issue. "How, where, and when" someone obtained a document are important to establish the authenticity of the document itself.

We have only Smith's story to address "how, where, and when." His word is not credible. Even if it were, I'd still want physical proof to corroborate it.

An attorney would advise him to release some physical evidence to establish the fact that he did make a trip to Kenya. The "on the advice of counsel" excuse doesn't fly.

241 posted on 06/25/2010 2:20:22 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: mnehring

The one thing that makes the Smith Kenyan BC at least somewhat credible is that someone felt the need to come up with pre-emptive fake Kenyan BCs to discredit Smith’s before it was made public. IOW, someone wants very badly for you to think Smith’s is fake. Talk about insecure. At best, we have in Smith’s document something that looks more realistic than Obama’s alleged Hawaiian COLB (and not Polarik’s bizarre ‘lesson’ in this thread).


242 posted on 06/25/2010 2:23:43 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

No arguments from me on that. An image of a document does not prove the document is authentic.


243 posted on 06/25/2010 2:24:58 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Yosemitest

That’s not Smith’s passport stamp. The dates don’t even corroborate Smith’s story.


244 posted on 06/25/2010 2:26:54 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: missnry
Someone has been busy with photoshop... this displayed certificate has not been around here.

That is not the same one that's been floated around. The one below shows the form was revised 11/01 and father's race was African while the one at the top of this thread shows 10/08 and the father's race was Black. What's the deal, huh?

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama-birth-certificate1.jpg

245 posted on 06/25/2010 2:27:12 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: servantboy777
Servantboy777, Obama was born of a non-citizen father. Everything he has signed is already invalid. There are too many people whose livings depend upon the deals the regime has imposed, and who are in the legislature, the judicial, and, the military, and the media. We are not a contitutional republic. Whether we can take it back remains to be seen. Now, so many are complicit, every legislator who said nothing, every federal judge who hasn't pointed out the infraction of the Constitution (their oaths require that they report violations of the Constitution, even without a case under their purview). Regardless of where he was born, Obama is ineligible.

The public has been cowed by a familiar technique, ridicule - a cousin of the politics of personal destruction. The regime knows better than to address the facts. Pat Leahy, Michael Chertoff, Clair McCaskill, Barack Obama, all signed a bill to silence the objections to McCain's well-known constitutional eligibility problems - two of them in fact - Sen. Bill 2678 and when that didn't fly, Senate Resolution 511 in 2008. Every senator signed Senate Res. 511. The Leahy McCaskll bill (primary sponsors) only spoke of the half of the Article Section 1, natural born citizen provision stating that a “someone born of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen.” McCain failed the other requirement, having been born on our soil.

Senate Res 511 was cooked up to silence the Republicans, and to take advantage of McCain's well-known feeling of entitlement, for having been shot down in Viet Nam. It may be why Dick Cheney, for whom I previously had enormous respect, failed his legal requirement to the joint session to report the results of the electoral count, to ask every legislator if there were in comments. He appeared to have been interrupted by Nancy Pelosi, but that is not excuse, and she was always part of the conspiracy, having signed at least two forms, for Hawaii and Arizona, attesting to Obama's satisfaction of the natural born citizen requirement (other states did not insist on that clause). That is why Cheney is specifically named in the Kerchner/Apuzzo law suit. That is why the Cheney family will have to explain to his succeeding generations that if their ancestor had done his duty, we would have continued to enjoy the freedoms guranteed citizens by the Constituion while he was in government. If he had spoken up in one of his last acts as President of the Senate, we would not be living in a socialist tyranny (it appears one hand at least was raised when Cheney was supposed to have solicited objections).

The assumption is that if any public person validates the truth of his ineligibility there will be riots. That also probably accounts for the silence of the Levins the Hannities, Hedgecocks, Malkin, Coulter, etc. Perhaps they were directly threatened. Perhaps they, whose livings depend upon their public personna, are afraid for their financial survival? Instead, we will lose our livelihoods, our freedoms, and our ability to defend ourselves for long enough that total government control becomes essential.

Noting that the birth certificate has Barry born on the Island of Hawaii rather than Oahu is interesting, and probably true. But Obama owns the Justice Department. We well never see documents. But documents are a distraction. Learn about our common law definition of natural born citizenship. Very thorough and bright people here on Free Republic have published hundreds of documents by framers explaining clearly why they required that the president be a natural born citizen. The media, who have colluded with the regime by avoiding Obama’s inelibility, keep saying “He doesn't act like he cares about citizens.” He doesn't because he was born an alien, and has the allegiances of an alien.

Read some of the remarkable history by Free Republic writers, patlin, rxsid, bushpilot1 here:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2512143/posts
Read just a few lines from The Venus 12 U.S. 253, at paragraph 289. Chief Justice John Marshal, who studied law at the school whose law school, the first in the U.S. was established at William and Mary by Thomas Jefferson in 1779, and the text was Vattel’s Law of Nations, explains that the president must have been "born on the soil of citizen parents." Read Patlin's quotion from Aristotle's "Politics" to understand that these are concepts distilled from millenia of brillian minds concerned with political leadership. Read framer Dr. David Ramsay's short Dissertation on Becoming a Citizen. The terms which refer to the concept are irrelevant. Ramsay calls natural born citizenship "birthright citizenship." Marshall shows off his French by using the terms used in Vattel's french edition, "Indigene" and Naturales." But they all refer to 'born on the soil of parents (plural, even in English common law, where the King's demand allegiance of everyone, but require jus sanguinis, parents or a father who is a subject. Obama's father was a British subject. So is Obama II.

Some of you are Obots, but some of you have been mislead by propaganda designed to disarm you of the document created by our framers to protect you, The Constitution. The Obots intentionally misdirect you. They point at obscure legal tracts which, if you tried to validate them, would turn into dead ends. They intimidate with legalese which is always designed to redirect you from the truth. John Marshall, Morrison Waite, also a Chief Justice writing in Minor v. Happersett, John Bingham, author of the 14th Amendment, and even Charles Evans Hughes, a chief justice who once tried to evade Article II himself, all confirm the definition. The only true statement is that because a case has never been to the supreme court involving Article II Section 1, the court must confirm the definition. Clarence Thomas had the courage to publicly admit that the court was evading the issue. If they continue to evade it their authority will be further eroded, and Obama will accomplish what FDR attempted, to make the court a tool of the King.

246 posted on 06/25/2010 2:27:59 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: edge919
..someone felt the need to come up with pre-emptive fake Kenyan BCs to discredit Smith’s before it was made public.

I don't think all those fakes were made to preempt Smith's. I posted a link a long time ago to both Something Awful and 4Chan (Anonymous) where they called the Birth Certificate issue the "IRL hacking opportunity of a lifetime" and started treated trolling and dumping fake stuff as a game just like Anonymous did with Scientology. The one with the red background and shilling seal ended up being tracked back to a Something Awful member. Both sites have threads on playing with the BC issue and Something Awful even has a dedicated messing with Free Republic thread. In other words, there were a lot of groups seeing it as a game to play. (I recently learned even Cracked Magazine's forum has a thread on messing with Birthers.)

That's why it is best our level of scepticism on things we 'hope' are real are just as high, if not higher, than we give to what the President releases.

247 posted on 06/25/2010 2:29:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
There also were some minor clues like date formats,

Kenya used his date format as the country has used two different formats.

I guess that is only if you ignore WND's investigation of the Smith BC and reported that the Hospital in Kenya denied it was real and the form of the Birth Certificate

I would expect the hospital would deny it after the fact. Not much credence there since the thug and Kenyan Prime Minister Raul Odinga would put pressure on them not to verify it. Odinga claims to be the cousin of Barack Obama and who Obama campaigned for in Kenya in 2006. Odinga fomented riots after he lost the Kenyan presidency. So Odinga applying a little pressure on a hospital to clam up would not have been a second thought for him.

248 posted on 06/25/2010 2:30:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

1. That’s why I said they were minor clues that weren’t conclusive.

2. The hospital provided and several sources also confirmed what a real Kenyan BC looked like by offering comparisons and they are nothing like what Lucas has shown. Check WND, they have a lot of images of this. At that, the only BC anyone ever found that was even close to the one that Lucas provided was a Dominican Republic BC. This wasn’t just the hospital denying, this was also comparing to known real BCs. (ie, give it the same scruteny we give to BO’s COLB).


249 posted on 06/25/2010 2:33:06 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: curiosity
Many Africans, especially those of the nationalist variety, like Obama Sr., don't like to be associated with American blacks.

Oh really? In the 1961 time frame?

250 posted on 06/25/2010 2:34:47 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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