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Taking Back The Schools--What Are The Best Tactics???
FreeRepublic.com ^ | May 14, 2010 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 06/25/2010 11:36:31 AM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

Anyone who has ever tried to sue a school, change a PTA, join a school board, or in any way to manipulate what a public school was doing, please share your experiences and suggestions. To start the discussion, here are a few options:

YAHOO GROUPS: anybody can form a group on Yahoo. I know of a group in Jersey City where parents share notes about teachers, courses, and candidates. This is an easy way to mobilize 100 or 200 people so they’re all on the same page when they deal with the school.

PARENT-TEACHER ASSOCIATION: Martin Gross, in his book “The Conspiracy of Ignorance,” argues that most PTA’s have been corrupted. He recommends that parents regroup in independent local groups called Parent-Teacher Organizations or PTO’s.

SCHOOL BOARD: Martin Gross also offers his opinion that many school boards are controlled by the NEA, and the apparent free discussions you see at meetings are stage-managed. How do we liberate the school boards?

INDIVIDUALIZED EDUCATION PLAN (IEP): Rudolf Flesch in his “Why Johnny’s Still Can’t Read” book, says that if your child is having trouble reading, that child can take advantage of provisions for “special ed” kids. Specifically, Flesch says take a lawyer to the school and demand that the school sign a contract promising your child will be taught phonics, not sight-words. Anyone ever done this?

STATE SUPERINTENDENTS: What if these people were elected officials? My impression is that most superintendents are conduits for orders coming down from the commissars at the top. (Ann Coulter proposed firing all superintendents.) Are these people ever elected? Would that be an improvement?

LOCAL POLITICS: Martin Gross also notes that while the NEA might give money to lots of candidates, the big donations go to liberals who will do what the NEA dictates. If the NEA favors a candidate, that’s a red flag.

PEOPLE TO THE PEOPLE! FIGHT THE SYSTEM! Maybe those old hippies had it right. So the question is, what can parents do to make schools work for the people?

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[Builds on an earlier post called “What Are The Best Ways To Defend Your Child Against Dumbing Down” (see link). I’m lookiing for ANY ideas that empower parents. The results will appear here in August and on my site Improve-Education.org.]


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: education; k12; learning; organize; parents; pta; publicschools; resistance; schools; teaching
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To: Sopater
Homeschooling is great for some but it isn't a realistic means of educating a nation. Private schools are also a fine thing but not all people can afford them.

Doing away with public schools altogether is a foolish destructive thing. We should really drop the derision of "public" schools are recognize the problem as state and federally controlled schools.

My great grandparents went to fine public schools that were one room locally owned and operated schools. Even in the northern Michigan sticks they learned latin, algebra, history and plenty of other things that aren't being taught in the schools these days.

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

George Washington. [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]
21 posted on 06/25/2010 12:31:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: OneWingedShark
Public education became indoctrination a long time ago. It is irredeemably godless and corrupt. Bets thing to so is to starve the monkeys as you have suggested. Galt's Gulch is a state of mind and a plan of action.
22 posted on 06/25/2010 12:52:22 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Windflier

In 1979, when my son turned six, I went down to the local public school to enroll him. As I put my hand on the door to go in, something came over me and I thought, “I CAN’T turn him over to this.” I did an about face. My husband then started a private Christian school that has now grown to 500+ students. All four of our kids went to that school, and now THEIR kids are all in Christian or home school. It’s all about what we are willing to sacrifice and how much work we are willing to expend to fight the indoctrination system. Each generation has its battles. My great-grandparents fought WWI. Grandparents fought and resisted the FDR ideology. My parents fought foreign enemies in WWII and Korea. Our battle is DOMESTIC enemies.


23 posted on 06/25/2010 12:52:33 PM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
PEOPLE TO THE PEOPLE! FIGHT THE SYSTEM! Maybe those old hippies had it right. So the question is, what can parents do to make schools work for the people?

Here's my old hippie advice; drop out and homeschool. Deprive them of children to brainwash and the funding that comes with them. Starve the bureaucracy and unions out.

24 posted on 06/25/2010 12:56:24 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Years and years ago, a my father’s friend, who’d both coached Little League baseball and sat on the local school board said, “If you care anything about your kids, keep their parents outa their sports leagues, and keep the kids outa the government schools.”


25 posted on 06/25/2010 12:59:46 PM PDT by flowerplough (Hey, Hillary, hey, Bammy! On Petraeus, you change your mind like a girl changes clothes.)
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To: 1951Boomer
Each generation has its battles. My great-grandparents fought WWI. Grandparents fought and resisted the FDR ideology. My parents fought foreign enemies in WWII and Korea. Our battle is DOMESTIC enemies.

It does appear that our country has now come full-circle. We now have a regime in place that fully intends to transform America into a leftist, Socialist country on the European model, or something even worse.

We're up against the same sort of oligarchy that our 18th century ancestors fought against in the first American Revolution. Of that, there is no doubt.

Like any American, I would hope that this battle for the heart and soul of the republic can be fought peacefully, but I'm beginning to have my doubts. The Marxists and Socialists who now infest our government from top to bottom are close to achieving the aims of their 70-odd year quest to destroy the Constitution and usher in a new paradigm.

We must not, and cannot let that happen.

26 posted on 06/25/2010 1:02:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Bruce,

Give it up! It is impossible to reform the un-reformable!

Why can't government schools be reformed?

1) Government schools **are** socialism! Simply by attending, children learn that the government has enormous police power to take money from their neighbor to pay for a service that their parents want for tuition-free. **ALL** government schools teach children to be comfortable with socialism! This true regardless of the curriculum, teachers, or whether the district is big or small or has federal control!

2) **ALL** government schools are a freedom of conscience and First Amendment abomination! Why? Answer: It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral education. ALL government schools establish the religious worldview ( at the moment godless) of the most politically powerful and trash the most precious beliefs of the political weak.

4) Since it is IMPOSSIBLE to have agreement on whose religious denomination to establish in the government schools, godless secular humanism is now the default religious worldview in ALL government schools. ALL government schools in this nation teach children to think godlessly!

4) In my county 2/3rds of our property taxes go to funding the government schools. Citizens in this nation no longer OWN anything! We are RENTERS! The government is our landlord. If we fail to pay our sky high property taxes the government sends and armed sheriff to evict us.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal education. Vouchers, tax credits, and charters can help build the private infrastructure. Gradually expect parents to take on more responsibility for educating their own children with tax credits funding the very poorest. Eventually move to complete separation of school and state. AND...GIVE EVERYONE A MASSIVE TAX DEDUCTION!

27 posted on 06/25/2010 1:02:37 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

School boards are elected positions, and their elections have low turnout. Fixing the schools start with running elections to take back the school boards. It is not easy, but it takes hard work and it is a long term solution.

That said, there’s no way in hell I’m sending my kids to public schools. Catholic schools here.


28 posted on 06/25/2010 1:06:01 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I don’t let my kids within 1000 feet of a public school. I vote no on ALL taxpayer funding for schools.


29 posted on 06/25/2010 1:12:56 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: cripplecreek
Please read post #27.

Within one to three generations of citizens learning to be comfortable with socialism in our modern, Horace Mann and John Dewey modeled, government schools ( beginning in the mid-1800s to 1900s) we had the following:

** the IRS
** the federal reserve
** the direct election of senators
** feminism
** unions
** usurpation of large tracts of land ( without compensation) for federal parks
** Woodrow Wilson
** the failed “One World” League of Nations
** A Great Depression
** FDR and his New Deal
** the abominable U.N.
** Johnson's Great Society
** the abolishment of gold standard

And now...Since the turn of the last century our dollar has been eroded by more than 800%. We have thousands of socialist offices programs and regulations, and Obamacare.

Government schools didn't make a Marxist Obama possible. They made him INEVITABLE!

30 posted on 06/25/2010 1:15:18 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: ALPAPilot

The only time my kids have been inside a public school is for my oldest to play a basketball game. We literally live within viewing distance of a public school (out our back door), and I take my kids downtown 180 days out of the year to one of the local Catholic schools. Takes a huge chunk out of the budget, but my kids are too precious to entrust elsewhere. I’ve seen what comes out of the local public schools, which just solidifies my position 110%.


31 posted on 06/25/2010 1:21:02 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: cripplecreek
Not Doing away with public schools altogether is a foolish destructive thing

There, I fixed it for you.

Not only are public schools a danger to the Republic; taking the hard earned money of the less wealthy to send the more wealthy kids to a gold plated schools is immoral and un-american.

My children's grand-mother had to sell her house and move out of the state because she could no longer afford the property taxes that are used to send her neighbors kids to school. 9 out of 10 of the neighbors are far wealthier than she is. They just wanted to take her money because they were too cheap and immoral to pay their own way. They and their ilk are theiving cowards.

32 posted on 06/25/2010 1:23:17 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot
My children's grand-mother had to sell her house and move out of the state because she could no longer afford the property taxes that are used to send her neighbors kids to school. 9 out of 10 of the neighbors are far wealthier than she is. They just wanted to take her money because they were too cheap and immoral to pay their own way. They and their ilk are thieving cowards.

That happens to a lot of elderly people...70% of our town's property taxes go right to the public school. Let the people who use it pay for it...leave the rest of us alone.

33 posted on 06/25/2010 1:27:16 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ALPAPilot
There, I fixed it for you.

And all it cost was any hope of ever having my respect. Too bad your mommy didn't get around to manners. Don't bother responding because I have no use for you.
34 posted on 06/25/2010 1:27:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ALPAPilot

I’ve seen the cars of the parents dropping their kids off at the nearby public school, and many of them drive much nicer cars than my husband and I do (him, a ‘97 Ranger and me a 2000 Windstar—both paid for). For the cost of those car payments, they could send their kids to a private school in this area, where they are more affordable than many parts of the country.

My sister-in-law has two little girls, ages 5 and 8. She would love to send them to Catholic school or homeschool them, but her husband says that if public schools were good enough for him, they are good enough for his girls. Never mind that the public high school he teaches at is a haven for fatherless kids and pregnant teenage girls, many of whom have no desire to learn.


35 posted on 06/25/2010 1:29:29 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: FrankR
Public schools have skewed into propaganda and brainwashing centers to corrupt young minds, and the power over schools should be returned to the local states and counties.
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Since the first modern, Horace Mann and John Dewey created, government schools opened in the mid-1800s to early 1900s, government schools have been, and are, brainwashing centers.

THAT WAS MANN AND DEWEY'S PLAN!!! The goal was, and still is, the creation of a compliant worker class for the fascist state.

36 posted on 06/25/2010 1:31:26 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: cripplecreek
And all it cost was any hope of ever having my respect.

Don't worry, I lost all hope of ever having respect from anyone who supports morally bankrupt public indoctrination when my personal financial contributions went north of $100,000 and I didn't even get a thank-you. All I got was more whining about how I wasn't paying enough. And now complaints that my misgivings are not polite enough.

Those who willingly send their kids to public schools are NOT conservatives.

37 posted on 06/25/2010 1:49:23 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: wintertime

I’m curious as to what you think about US service academies and the military in general. How does the indoctrination in public schools compare to what goes on in the military? Do you support what is taught at our service academies? Do you support ROTC programs in universities across the country?


38 posted on 06/25/2010 2:13:38 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: petitfour
First of all...**ALL** education can be considered indoctrination since it is impossible to have a religiously, politically, and culturally neutral education. That a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral education is impossible is one of the most compelling reasons not to have government owning and running schools on any level (kindergarten through graduate school).

When government owns and runs schools it is absolutely unavoidable that the most politically powerful will impose its NON-neutral religious, cultural, and political worldview on those will less political voice.

Next...The fundamental purpose of government is protect our God given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

A military is absolutely essential to protect us from foreign threats who would destroy our ability to pursue life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Military colleges are part of the military infrastructure and I support them and ROTC.

I suggest that we gradually begin the process of getting government out of the education business.

We can start by instituting vouchers, tax credits, and charters to help build the private infrastructure needed. In California, some teachers have actually voted to turn their government schools into Green Dot charters ( Imagine that!). Gradually expect parents to take up the responsibility of paying for their own children. Eventually moving to the point that only the poorest receive vouchers and tax credits. In an ideal world, charitable foundations would provide private vouchers for the poorest.

And...Yes,...We should even work toward privatizing our government colleges and universities ( except for our military colleges...One only for each branch of the military.).

39 posted on 06/25/2010 2:39:49 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Got a recorded message from Barbara Kesishian (sp) today, head of the NJEA, emploring me to contact my legislators and ask them to vote against a voucher/scholarship bill floating about in the legislature. Apparently, companies would get a tax break if they offer scholarships to poor children in crummy public schools. Apparently, Ms. Kesishian thinks this scholarship money is taking money away from the public schools (I don’t understand her thinking, since it’s not taxpayer money, but whatever), giving it to private schools which do not mandate state tests — so what, it’s schlarship money, not taxpayer money. If the private schools don’t perform, parents will not need scholarship money to send their children there, because they will be smart enough to withdraw their children. Free market and all that.

I have to call my state reps on Monday and ask them to vote for the proposal. Many parents would love to send their kids to private and parochial schools. Doing so would lessen the burden on NJ taxpayers — a win/win situation all around — except for the NJEA.


40 posted on 06/25/2010 4:52:08 PM PDT by goldi (')
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