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Zheng He's Tomb Found in Nanjing
CRI ^ | 26 June 2010 | CRI

Posted on 06/26/2010 11:45:40 AM PDT by Palter

A recently excavated tomb in Nanjing has been confirmed to be the grave of Zheng He, a eunuch from the early Ming Dynasty who led historic voyages to Southeast Asia and eastern Africa. The tomb was discovered accidentally on June 18th by workers at a construction site near Zutang Mountain that also holds the tombs of many other Ming Dynasty eunuchs, the Yangtse Evening News reported.

The tomb was 8.5 meters long and 4 meters wide and was built with blue bricks, which archaeologists said were only used in structures belonging to dignitaries during the time of Zheng He.

But experts believed his remains were not placed in the tomb because of the long distance between Nanjing and India, where he died during a visit in 1433.

Born in 1371, Zheng He was an excellent navigator and diplomat in the Ming Dynasty. He led the royal fleet to southwest Asia and east Africa on seven occasions from 1405 to 1433, nearly a century before Christopher Columbus discovered the American continent in 1492.

A worker clean soil at the entrance to the tomb.

TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: china; godsgravesglyphs; tomb; zhenghe

1 posted on 06/26/2010 11:45:42 AM PDT by Palter
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To: Palter; SunkenCiv


2 posted on 06/26/2010 11:51:48 AM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to, it rots your teeth!)
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To: Palter

What a bummer if he spent all that time and labor but never got to use it.

3 posted on 06/26/2010 11:53:39 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: GeronL; Palter; SunkenCiv
Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'

4 posted on 06/26/2010 11:55:19 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I’ll keep the tiny ship and my stones, thanks.

5 posted on 06/26/2010 12:02:20 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: blam

I enjoy this type of reading. Interesting.....

6 posted on 06/26/2010 12:03:30 PM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: Palter

Zeng who?

Oh, wait, who’s on first. He’s on second.

7 posted on 06/26/2010 12:03:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Palter

Who He?

8 posted on 06/26/2010 12:18:26 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: blam

but they shrugged and went home and didn’t bother to colonize did they? same with the Vikings or the Polynesians.

9 posted on 06/26/2010 12:30:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to, it rots your teeth!)
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To: Palter
Zheng He's Tomb Found in Nanjing

It should be: Zheng. His Tomb Found in Nanjing.
Third person, possessive... :0)

10 posted on 06/26/2010 12:31:17 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Socialism: Subsidizing Chaff at the expense of Wheat)
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To: skeeter
I’ll keep the tiny ship and my stones, thanks.


11 posted on 06/26/2010 12:35:14 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: blam; SunkenCiv; Palter
He led the royal fleet to southwest Asia and east Africa on seven occasions from 1405 to 1433,

Really? Then there will no doubt be fascinating artifacts in his tomb which will be traced back to the New World.

12 posted on 06/26/2010 12:37:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: beethovenfan

Hu He was his smarter brother...

13 posted on 06/26/2010 12:49:20 PM PDT by mikrofon (Zheng Yu)
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To: beethovenfan
Wan Hoo almost beat Armstrong and Aldrin!

According to one ancient legend, a Chinese official named Wan-Hoo attempted a flight to the moon using a large wicker chair to which were fastened 47 large rockets. Forty seven assistants, each armed with torches, rushed forward to light the fuses. In a moment there was a tremendous roar accompanied by billowing clouds of smoke. When the smoke cleared, the flying chair and Wan-Hu were gone.

14 posted on 06/26/2010 12:49:44 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Actually it should read Cheng Ho's Tomb Found in Nanking.

Just because the Communists like pinyin doesn't mean we have to use it.

15 posted on 06/26/2010 12:58:51 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Palter

Aside from all the jesting and stupid comments -— I find this interesting.

Zheng He is an interesting individual from Chinese history. If the point of Menzies book is true, then the course of this country’s history would be changed.

Who knows where that age of exploration would have led if China hadn’t withdrawn into itself.

16 posted on 06/26/2010 1:37:30 PM PDT by Exit148 (Loose Change Club Founder. Save your pennies for the next Freepathon. A little goes a long way!)
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To: GeronL; blam; BenLurkin; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 240B; ...

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Thanks GeronL, blam, and BenLurkin.

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17 posted on 06/26/2010 2:37:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Exit148

They’d have built the railroads fifty years sooner?

But seriously, Zheng He didn’t make it to America, even though IMHO Columbus was by no means the first to sail over.

18 posted on 06/26/2010 2:42:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: BenLurkin

:’) That will be a good test.

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19 posted on 06/26/2010 8:17:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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The Ming Voyages

“China, the West, and World History in Joseph Needham’s Science and Civilisation in China” by Robert Finlay, in Journal of World History (Fall 2000), Univ. of Hawaii Press, 2840 Kolowalu St., Honolulu, Hawaii 96822.

Thanks to British scholar Joseph Needham’s monumental Science and Civilisation in China (1954-98), westerners have a whole new appreciation of China’s richly inventive past. Especially compelling was his account of 15th-century Chinese expeditions to Southeast Asia and, through the Indian Ocean, to India, Arabia, and Africa. Renowned now as voyages of discovery, they show up in many notable treatments of world history. Needham drew a sharp contrast between those peaceful Ming dynasty expeditions (1405-33) of Zheng He, whom he portrays as China’s answer to Vasco da Gama, and the early-16th-century Portuguese voyages of conquest. But Needham’s portrait of the Ming expeditions is “seriously skewed,” argues Finlay, a historian at the University of Arkansas.

Though Needham (1900-95) acknowledged that the motives behind the seven expeditions by Zheng Heís 300-odd junks were mixed, he claimed that the chief purpose, growing stronger with each expedition, was “proto-scientific” — the scholarly gathering of rare materials and knowledge. Trade, though extensive, was incidental, he maintained, and the peaceful fleet’s 26,000 troops had “primarily ceremonial” duties since they were part of “a navy paying friendly visits to foreign ports.” Far more important than merchants and military men, according to Needham, were the fleet’s astronomers, geomancers, physicians, and naturalists.

The reality was quite different, Finlay argues. The eunuch admiral Zheng He “did not, as Needham asserts, inspire the Ming voyages, and there is no significant sense in which he can be regarded as an explorer. He commanded the maritime expeditions as a military agent of the Yongle emperor, a ruler who had no interest in voyages of discovery. . . . Aggressive and ruthless, Yongle was one of the most militaristic rulers in Chinese history.” He had come to power in a bloody civil war, personally commanded campaigns against the Mongols, and, starting in 1406 — the year after Zheng He’s fleet first sailed to Southeast Asia — sent an army of more than 200,000 men to invade Vietnam. “Yet the emperor does not figure in Needham’s analysis,” Finlay observes.

The 26,000 troops on the Chinese junks were not “a ceremonial cortege for diplomatic occasions” (being much too numerous and expensive for that), Finlay says, but rather “an expeditionary force for executing the emperor’s will, whether that meant militarizing the tribute system, suppressing piracy in Southeast Asia, bringing overseas Chinese ports under control, or even making Siam and Java vassal states of the empire.” And the many “experienced, heavily armed” troops, not the “’calm and pacific’” nature of the Chinese, were the reason that the voyages were generally tranquil. Nor was trade merely incidental, “for Yongle evidently intended to harness the force (and profits) of seaborne commerce to serve the purposes of imperial hegemony in Southeast Asia.”

Needham, a former biochemist who subscribed to an idiosyncratic blend of Marxism and Christianity, was determined, says Finlay, “to present the Ming expeditions as embodying the virtues of China in contrast to the vices of the West.” Science and Civilisation in China is an encyclopedic survey of Chinese accomplishments in science and technology. But, “as with the voyages of Zheng He,” Finlay says, Needham’s account of those accomplishments “ignores social, political, and economic contexts.” Needham’s claims about the impact of Chinese inventions on Europe are also suspect, Finlay thinks. Yet, despite its flaws, he says, the late scholarís masterwork “remains an extraordinary achievement.”

Reprinted from the Spring 2001 Wilson Quarterly

20 posted on 06/26/2010 8:18:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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A lot of these are dead links. :')
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Last year, in a book entitled Origin of the Olmec Civilization, Professor Mike Xu, a Chinese who teaches in the foreign languages department at the University of Central Oklahoma, proposed a hypothesis which aroused a storm of controversy in archeological circles. In Xu's view, the first complex culture in Mesoamerica may have come into existence with the help of a group of Chinese who fled across the seas as refugees at the end of the Shang dynasty. The Olmec civilization arose around 1200 BC, which coincides with the time when King Wu of Zhou attacked and defeated King Zhou, the last Shang ruler, bringing his dynasty to a close.
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The Smithsonian's Meggers says that Chen's analysis of the colors "makes sense. But his reading of the text is the clincher. Writing systems are too arbitrary and complex. They cannot be independently reinvented."
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[W]hen the last Shang king was defeated and killed by rivals in 1122 B.C., his loyalists were forced to flee to the "East Ocean" or Pacific, notes Xu in his new book, Origin of the Olmec Civilization (University of Central Oklahoma Press, 1996)... Numerous notable Chinese scholars have confirmed Xu's readings of the Olmec inscriptions, including Han Ping Chen, a scholar of ancient Chinese from the Historical Research Institute at the China Social Science Academy. After examining 146 characters and symbols from the Olmec culture, Chen reported: "These symbols, if found or excavated in China (except rock art and carving), would certainly be regarded as prehistoric Chinese characters or symbols. Of 146 symbols, many are 100 percent identical to ancient Chinese characters. Some, I am afraid, can be easily recognized by Chinese first graders in elementary schools..." ...William Boltz of the University of Washington and Robert Bagley of Princeton dismissed as "rubbish" the notion that the characters could be Chinese. The criticism infuriates Xu -- and rightly so, we might add. "Most experts in Olmec studies do not have any idea about ancient Chinese writings and Asian cultures or tradition," says Xu, who was educated in both China and the United States. "How on Earth could they comment on top Chinese scholars reading Chinese as 'rubbish'?"
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Carvings believed to be the earliest form of written language in the Americas have been found in Mexico. Symbols dating back to 650BC were found by archaeologists in the San Andreas region of Tabasco state, near the Gulf of Mexico. They were found on chips from a stone plaque and on a cylinder stone used for printing that were unearthed in a dig at the site of an ancient Olmec city near La Venta. The symbols are 350 years older than the oldest previously discovered American writings... The carvings were interpreted to mean "king" and "3 Ajaw", which researchers believe was the name of a ruler. The Olmec's system of carvings for dates and names was adopted by the Mayas, who then developed it into a highly sophisticated language over the next 1,000 years.
'Earliest writing' found in China
by Paul Rincon
Signs carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists... They predate the earliest recorded writings from Mesopotamia - in what is now Iraq - by more than 2,000 years. The archaeologists say they bear similarities to written characters used thousands of years later during the Shang dynasty, which lasted from 1700-1100 BC... The archaeologists have identified 11 separate symbols inscribed on the tortoise shells. The shells were found buried with human remains in 24 Neolithic graves unearthed at Jiahu in Henan province, western China. The site has been radiocarbon dated to between 6,600 and 6,200 BC. The research was carried out by Dr Garman Harbottle, of the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York, US, and a team of archaeologists at the University of Science and Technology of China, in Anhui province... Dr Harbottle points to the persistence of sign use at different sites along the Yellow River throughout the Neolithic and up to the Shang period, when a complex writing system appears. He emphasised that he was not suggesting the Neolithic symbols had the same meanings as Shang characters they resembled... The shells come from graves where, in 1999, the researchers unearthed ancient bone flutes. These flutes are the earliest musical instruments known to date.
Sites of Shang and Zhou Dynasties unearthed at construction site in Jiangxi
People's Daily Online
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Recently, reporters learned from Pengze County, Jiangxi that a construction unit of the Pengze-Hukou Expressway recently unearthed a large number of stoneware including stone axes, stone chisels and net sinkers, and ceramic ware such as kettles, pots, dings, spinning wheels and wrist straps, as well as a few cultural relics in the form of bronze spears while working in Mashan Village in Langxi Town of Pengze County.

To date, archeologists have already excavated over 80 square trial pits each covering an area of 25 square meters, with the total excavation area exceeding 2,000 square meters. According to excavation findings and verification by archeologists, this site was in existence during the late Shang Dynasty and early Zhou Dynasty, and is identified as the "Taimashan Site."

During the excavation, the archeologists discovered for the first time large-sized highland habitation sites of ancient humans, which prove that whole tribes existed around the Pengze basin in the south of the Yangtze River during the Shang and Zhou Dynasties.
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People's Daily Online
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Recently, archeologists from the China Academy of Social Sciences and School of Archaeology and Museology from Peking University and Shandong Province visited and inspected archeological sites of salt-making at the Shuangwangcheng reservoir in Shouguang, Shandong Province. All the experts agree that the relics can be dated back to the Shang and Zhou Dynasties, and preliminarily examinations conclude that these are important ancient ruins connected to the salt industry.

With over 80 sites covering 30 square kilometers the discovery of such densely distributed ancient ruins connected to salt-making is the first of its kind in China's archaeological history.

The ancient ruins found in this archaeological exploration are relatively intact and the cultural relics unearthed have been mainly helmet-shaped potteries, with most of them belonging to the Shang and Zhou Dynasties.

The excavation has provided important information for the study of the ancient salt industry and ancient social life.

21 posted on 06/26/2010 8:20:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: GeronL

Well, accoding to the VERY controversial book 1421, they did, in fact, colonize. Supposedly some tribes in South and North America spoke Chinese.

Of course, this isn’t particularly well documented...

22 posted on 07/01/2010 6:14:20 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

they may own the west coast and hawaii soon anyways.

23 posted on 07/01/2010 8:05:25 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to, it rots your teeth!)
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