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End of the Culture Wars
NY Post ^ | 062710 | KYLE SMITH

Posted on 06/28/2010 9:56:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand

You know something is changing in American mores when the supposed leader of the culture wars from the right, Sarah Palin, declares that smoking pot is “a minimal problem” and that “if somebody’s gonna smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in.”

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Like many other pointless wars, the culture conflict has mainly resulted in exhaustion. Now the troops are laying down their arms and going home.

More and more Americans, particularly in the youngest generation of adults, are shrugging at drug use, gay relationships, pre-marital cohabitation, single motherhood, interracial marriage (which is now all but universally accepted) and gun ownership. More and more people aren’t bothering to lug their church to the voting booth.

If only people between the ages of 18 to 29 voted, 38 states would support gay marriage, says a study by Jeffrey Lax and Justin Phillips of Columbia University. Will today’s youngsters change their minds about gay marriage as they age? Don’t count on it.

Support for issues such as gays’ ability to adopt and marry appears closely linked to how close you are with gay people. And a CNN/Opinion Research poll last year said 49% report having a family member or close friend who is gay. That’s up eight points from 1998 and up 17 points from 1992. Among those 65 and older, just one in three say that.

About two out of five Americans support legalizing pot — one in five among seniors and three in five among young adults. But the pot question, unlike the gay-marriage question, has been posed for decades. So the demographic trends are clearer: even in the Cheech and Chong-y ’70s, support for legalizing marijuana peaked at 30%. Today’s figures are, um, higher than ever — and the Pew figures are backed by a Gallup survey last fall in which 44% OK’d legalized toking. Medicinal marijuana enjoys 73% support.

Just about the only encouragement for cultural conservatives lately has been an uptick in the popularity of the term “pro-life.” A Gallup poll last fall found 51% calling themselves pro-life (before subsiding to 47% in the most recent survey). But there hasn’t been a surge in calling for the criminalization of abortion, or even for discarding Roe v. Wade (which could be nixed without any state making abortion illegal).

Polls over the years consistently show that about three-quarters think abortion should be legal at least sometimes, and three out of five support Roe. Even on this most fraught issue, morality and legality seem to be parting company. Palin, far from calling for a Constitutional amendment to ban abortion (Ronald Reagan’s official position, though he never did anything about it), simply thinks Roe should be overturned and each state should be free to make its own abortion policy. Her moral view — opposing abortion except to save the life of the mother — is strongly held, but she shows no sign of wanting to impose it on others. Perhaps she will turn out to be a libertarian in disguise: Alaska is the state with the second-highest libertarian presence (after Montana), according to a study by the Free State Project.

Democrats who have traditionally been spooked by social issues, and found themselves trying to change the subject when polls showed voters disagreeing with them on moral questions, must be relieved at the thought that Republicans will shortly no longer be able to broadcast fear over their 3G network — God, guns and gays. But the Democrats shouldn’t be so sure about that.

For starters, a move toward a more libertarian America actually helps the NRA. Pew regularly polls Americans to ask which they find more important: the right to own guns, or gun control? In 2000, the split was 29% on the pistol-packing side and 66% shunning firearms. This spring a Pew poll showed a tie — 46% on each side. Only about half of Americans even support banning assault weapons, down from three-quarters 20 years ago. Moreover, a Rasmussen poll this week found 48% today see government as a threat to individual rights.

It shouldn’t be a surprise that in both New Jersey and Massachusetts, old-guard liberals were recently replaced by Chris Christie and Scott Brown, libertarian-ish Republicans who are socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

Moreover, when we’ve heard the last Southern pol protest that God didn’t launch humanity with Adam & Steve (no, but if he had, the decor in the Garden of Eden would have been amazing), Republicans won’t be able to hide from their economic positions. Either they stake out a clear difference with Democrats on fiscal questions, or they become irrelevant, a party without an argument or a base.

You may have heard a word or two about the Tea Party, which is fiscally focused. But the accompanying demise of Reagan-era groups like the Christian Coalition and the Moral Majority is just as important. The morality armies have failed to inspire their children to join the crusade.

So that's it, then. No need to fight the good fight anymore. It's over. Libertarian is the new Conservative. Conservative is being redefined as something akin to dementia: a disease that old, decaying, useless parasites cling to.

Thoughts?

1 posted on 06/28/2010 9:56:33 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

Times change, people change...wars come and go.


2 posted on 06/28/2010 9:59:05 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I’m Conservo-Libertarian at the point of:

You may do lots of things which are legal but immoral. Just don’t ask me to approve or clean up your mess.


3 posted on 06/28/2010 9:59:57 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer calls opponents "Teabaggers". So we can call Kagan "Carpet Muncher." Right?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

My thoughts are that I better put in another post before your “Post #1” gets deleted ... LOL ...

I thought the reason why certain sources required excerpts was because they demanded it ... :-)


4 posted on 06/28/2010 10:00:21 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Prioritizing law enforcement due to incredible budget cuts that are coming is just common sense.


5 posted on 06/28/2010 10:02:42 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: the invisib1e hand

The middle ground on this issue (which Palin apparently advocates), is the worst possible solution. You increase demand but keep sale and transportation illegal. That increases price and the result is most of the ills of drugs being illegal in the first place with none of the benefits.

If you are going to legalize use, you have to legalize growing, sale and transportation also.


6 posted on 06/28/2010 10:05:58 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
In that case, might as well tax it.

Problem is, stoned people are a annoyance. There's nothing worse than trying to have a conversation with someone who is hopped up and glassy-eyed. After a few minutes you realize you've been wasting your time and ask them to come back some time when they have their wits about them.

7 posted on 06/28/2010 10:14:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: the invisib1e hand
the supposed leader of the culture wars from the right, Sarah Palin

Supposed if you listen to the Pravda Media. The culture war was raging long before Sarah Palin was seen on the national scene.

8 posted on 06/28/2010 10:17:22 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: BenLurkin

You just described 90% of ALL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.


9 posted on 06/28/2010 10:18:31 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: stuartcr

“Moreover, when we’ve heard the last Southern pol protest that God didn’t launch humanity with Adam & Steve (no, but if he had, the decor in the Garden of Eden would have been amazing), Republicans won’t be able to hide from their economic positions. Either they stake out a clear difference with Democrats on fiscal questions, or they become irrelevant, a party without an argument or a base.”

Bingo!!!!!!


10 posted on 06/28/2010 10:22:10 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Lorianne
Prioritizing law enforcement due to incredible budget cuts that are coming is just common sense.

Unfortunately, in practice this means that local police will pursue revenue tickets from middle class drivers rather than pursuing low income (possibly illegal) violent offenders.

No sense in going after someone who will have his defense paid for by the city, and then housed in prison in the city, all paid by taxpayers, when budgets can be balanced with speeding tickets, red light tickets, and selective enforcement of DWI laws (citizens vs illegal suspects of drunk driving).

11 posted on 06/28/2010 10:22:57 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Ask these 18-29 year old voters how many of them want a socialized system of government if it means they will be paying 75% of their income to the State in taxes. Ask them how many support a socialized system of government if it means they will be paying no federal income taxes and may even get a “refund” when they don’t pay taxes.

We need adults, not grown up children like our current president.


12 posted on 06/28/2010 10:25:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“Actually, I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so I do not expect ‘history’ to be anything but a ‘long, slow defeat’ - though it contains (and in a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or glimpses of final victory.”

JRR Tolkien


13 posted on 06/28/2010 11:03:03 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: All
well, i suppose it's only fitting that none of the responses so far matched level of disgust this piece provoked in me -- enough at least to bother posting it.

I say it's fitting because the piece itself is so full of truth-stretching, twisting, and sawing in half that it really can't be taken seriously; a product of bad fantasy, as if, one might say, the writer himself was smoking pot. Neither, then, should it provoke much of anything, anywhere.

14 posted on 06/29/2010 3:59:27 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (barbara walters, celebrity whore.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

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15 posted on 06/29/2010 8:59:56 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
So that's it, then. No need to fight the good fight anymore. It's over. Libertarian is the new Conservative. Conservative is being redefined as something akin to dementia: a disease that old, decaying, useless parasitescling to.
Thoughts?

With young people leaving the Church in droves, godless/moral relativist/it's ALL about money libertarianism is the "in thing".

Palin might have been reaching out to the "populists" who have that mentality. Hopefully they'll all wise up and discover that a house built on a flimsy foundation won't stand for long.

16 posted on 06/30/2010 8:19:48 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: the invisib1e hand

The “social conservatives” set themselves up to lose this one by trying to polarize the debate and make it a “moral absolute”, all-or-nothing proposition.


17 posted on 06/30/2010 8:36:03 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: aSeattleConservative
With young people leaving the Church in droves,

I'm pretty sure exactly the opposite is happening.

18 posted on 06/30/2010 2:00:54 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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To: tacticalogic
set themselves up to lose this one by trying to polarize the debate and make it a “moral absolute”, all-or-nothing proposition.

how can a proposition of "moral absolutes" be anything but all or nothing?

Buried in your objection is a defense of moral relativism, which is THE problem, and I might add, that which excludes one from the class of "conservative" -- as that class is by definition those acknowledging Natural Law (as absolute as it gets) either explicitly or implicitly by acknowledgment of the founding principles and documents as a Supreme Law.

19 posted on 06/30/2010 2:05:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
how can a proposition of "moral absolutes" be anything but all or nothing?

It can't. That means that unless you can make everyone agee to and abide by your moral code, you've failed. If you can't get it all, then by your account you have nothing, and you will never be able to have it all.

20 posted on 06/30/2010 2:15:13 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"With young people leaving the Church in droves,"

I'm pretty sure exactly the opposite is happening.

I thought what I wrote was common knowledge, (although I wish you were right).
Link to 2 out of 3 young people leaving the church

21 posted on 07/01/2010 3:25:30 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: aSeattleConservative
maybe if you hunt around Fr. George Rutler's site you can find his recent citations to the contrary. I'd post it but it requires registration, etc. and I'm too busy to go digging up the citation -- point is, I read it, so I'm OK with it. Anyway, church membership is up worldwide over a decade ago. Up by more than fractional percentage points. JPII generation, World Youth Day, young vocations, etc. etc.

Maybe we're talking about different "churches."

22 posted on 07/01/2010 6:10:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Maybe we're talking about different "churches."

I didn't specify a particular church in my post. In fact, I stated "With YOUNG PEOPLE leaving the Church in droves.."

So according your Fr. Rutler, Catholic membership is up? (And here I thought because of the sex scandal people were leaving the Catholic Church in droves as well).

If you do an internet search "is church membership down?" you'll come up with hits like this:
Link to Catholic Membership Up

and studies that show the contrary

Link to North American Church Attendance

So if church attendance is up, what is the cause behind the moral depravation in our society? (or are you denying that statement as well?).

23 posted on 07/02/2010 7:21:01 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: aSeattleConservative
Yes, if people are leaving or entering "the Church," it is The Church they are doing so about. The Church is the Catholic Church, that's the definition.

Thanks for the citations; Fr. Rutler's sources are going to be implicitly credible. Some google search results? Not so much.

And, yes, people are leaving Protestant denominations in droves. In fact, the same sources indicate that those denominations are disintigrating, and we all knew they must.

Pax.

24 posted on 07/02/2010 10:39:17 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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