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The Real Trouble with Twilight. Christian author takes on Twilight and Eclipse
CBS47 ^ | 6-29-10 | cakid1

Posted on 06/29/2010 4:15:20 PM PDT by cakid1

The Real Trouble with Twilight … The Vampire Craze

Stephenie Meyer's Twilight Saga has a very dark side, according to the author of a new book 'The Trouble with Twilight.'

On the eve of the release 'Eclipse' Television producer, occult researcher and bestselling author Steve Wohlberg says

“...The real trouble with Twilight is that real teenagers


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KEYWORDS: twilight; ya; yaliterature; yas; youngadults
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I had never heard of "ethical vampirism.." (drinking blood)
1 posted on 06/29/2010 4:15:26 PM PDT by cakid1
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To: cakid1

impressionable people are sheep.

They see AVATAR and come away hating the military. As if it were real or something.

Sheep are ridiculous.


2 posted on 06/29/2010 4:17:36 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: GeronL

DUmmies can’t tell fantasy from reality.


3 posted on 06/29/2010 4:20:04 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: cakid1
The Real Trouble with Twilight

Other than the fact that it's mental porn for chicks?

4 posted on 06/29/2010 4:20:41 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When fascism came to America, it was wrapped in the Democrat platform and carrying a welfare check.)
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To: darkangel82

yup. especially the younger ones, like under 27. lol.


5 posted on 06/29/2010 4:22:29 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: cakid1

Its pure fantasy and not a very exciting one.


6 posted on 06/29/2010 4:23:48 PM PDT by linn37 ( "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: cakid1

yawn. i’m tired of these bogus “controversies” the media loves to manufacture.

write something better or hush up.


7 posted on 06/29/2010 4:28:40 PM PDT by Hexenhammer (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: cakid1
Yes, he's right. These movies, all of them that involve the occult, are destroying our kids (not that almost 40 years of legalized abortion hasn't drawn them to the blood of the dead already).

St. Michael the Archangel ...
8 posted on 06/29/2010 4:28:45 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: cakid1

It’s a freaking work of fiction! Good grief! If these books pried some kids’ hands away from the computer keyboard and made them crack open a book, it’s nothing but a good thing.


9 posted on 06/29/2010 4:29:53 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: cakid1

lol...last thanksgiving a friends 6 yr old daughter was asked to list what she was most thankful for..she listed being a vampire and having plenty of blood...hehhehe


10 posted on 06/29/2010 4:33:45 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: cakid1

My problem with Twilight is different.

I think a young girl obsessed with Twilight is at risk for an unhealthy romantic relationship.

Edward give emotional whiplash and physical pain to everyone involved with him, yet he is represented as being the only possible love of this girl’s life. She actually throws herself into the sea out of desperation to be near him.

He’s a classic abusive partner.


11 posted on 06/29/2010 4:34:12 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: mlizzy

Please, These movies are too silly to be taken seriously. I asked a young lady (about 17) in a bookstore why she liked twilight, she said it was well writen and romantic. My sister lets my niece read the books, she said there was no sex in them and that she was glad her daughter was reading.

I heard one theory that “Twilight” was mormon propaganda.


12 posted on 06/29/2010 4:34:29 PM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: cakid1

Today, teen girls are obsessed with the Twilight Series....next year they will be obsessed with some new boy band that seems to come along every couple of years while their Twilight paraphernalia gathers dust.


13 posted on 06/29/2010 4:40:33 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: cakid1

Here is some more from around the web:

...The books run the risk of desensitizing a generation of readers to abuse. Bella, the book’s heroine, is subjected to a litany of abuses and not only accepts it, but finds it romantic. Her love interest, Edward, stalks her, watches her sleep and controls every moment of her life...

Here are 20 things women learn from Twilight (from wired.com):

•If a boy is aloof, stand-offish, ignores you or is just plain rude, it is because he is secretly in love with you — and you are the point of his existence.
•Secrets are good — especially life-threatening ones.
•It’s OK for a potential romantic interest to be dimwitted, violent and vengeful — as long as he has great abs.
•If a boy tells you to stay away from him because he is dangerous and may even kill you, he must be the love of your life. You should stay with him since he will keep you safe forever.
•If a boy leaves you, especially suddenly (while telling you he will never see you again), it is because he loves you so much he will suffer just to keep you safe.
•When a boy leaves you, going into shock, losing all your friends and enduring night terrors are completely acceptable occurrences — as long as you keep your grades up.
•It is extremely romantic to put yourself in dangerous situations in order to see your ex-boyfriend again. It’s even more romantic to remember the sound of his voice when he yelled at you.
•Boys who leave you always come back.
•Because they come back, you should hold out, waiting for them for months, even when completely acceptable and less-abusive alternative males present themselves.
•Even though you have no intention of dating an alternative male who expresses interest in you, it is fine to string the young man along for months. Also, you should use him to fix things for you. Maybe he’ll even buy you something.
•You should use said male to fix things because girls are incapable of anything mechanical or technical.
•Lying to your parents is fine. Lying to your parents while you run away to save your suicidal boyfriend is an extremely good idea that shows your strength and maturity. Also, it is what you must do.
•Car theft in the service of love is acceptable.
•If the boy you are in love with causes you (even indirectly) to be so badly beaten you end up in the hospital, you should tell the doctors and your family that you “fell down the steps” because you are such a silly, clumsy girl. That false explanation always works well for abused women.
•Men can be changed for the better if you sacrifice everything you are and devote yourself to their need for change.
•Young women should make no effort to improve their social skills or emotional state. Instead, they should seek out potential mates that share their morose deficiencies and emotional illnesses.
•Girls shouldn’t always read a book series just because everyone else has.
•When writing a book series, it’s acceptable to lift seminal source material and bastardize it with tired, overwrought teenage angst.
•When making or watching a major feature film, you should gleefully embrace the 20 minutes of plot it provides in between extended segments of vacant-eyed silence and self-indulgent, moaning banter.
•Vampires — once among the great villains of literature and motion pictures — are no longer scary. In fact, they’re every bit as whiny, self-absorbed and impotent as any human being.


14 posted on 06/29/2010 4:42:18 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: I still care

hahaha right


15 posted on 06/29/2010 4:42:54 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: I still care

hahaha right


16 posted on 06/29/2010 4:43:04 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: cakid1
What.freaking.ever.

I've seen lots of weird things in my lifetime, but this whole vampire fad has to be the weirdest.

Until the next thing, which I really don't want to know about.

17 posted on 06/29/2010 4:44:00 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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To: Perdogg
According to Father Thomas J. Euteneuer, an exorcist, these films should be taken VERY seriously in regard to them enticing kids to dabble in the occult (the occult, meaning Satan, not a fun or funny guy). So don't take my word for it; listen to one who exorcises demons from the young and old alike.
18 posted on 06/29/2010 4:44:59 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It is simple. It is about teeenage girls and love.

The young girls who enjoy the books are free to explore this through the female characters beause the females have no control or responsibility.


19 posted on 06/29/2010 4:51:44 PM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: cakid1

Edward is constantly stalking and threatening Bella’s life.

I don’t get it either.


20 posted on 06/29/2010 4:53:56 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: bigredkitty1
One word: Trekkies.

Five Words: Lord of the Rings Freaks.

One Acronym: LARP. Do a web search.

People not having a personal grounding in their lives fall prey to all kinds of nonsense, much of it devised by the Enemy who hates them and wants them eternally dead. Goth/Twilight/Gay/Lesbo/Wiccan/Witch/Warlock makes for a really happy lifestyle, don't it?

21 posted on 06/29/2010 4:55:49 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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To: Perdogg
I heard one theory that “Twilight” was mormon propaganda.

However, it was banned from the LDS Church-owned Deseret Books after complaints from Church members about it's heavy content of teen activities that violated Church standards (e.g. Bella and Edward lying in bed together at night, after Edward has snuck in Bella's bedroom window to avoid detection by Bella's father), and a lot of other generally unwholesome stuff that isn't exactly "uplifting".

22 posted on 06/29/2010 4:56:24 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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On bestselling author Steve Wohlberg says “...The real trouble with Twilight is that real teenagers are now being tempted by the alluring call of real vampirism

REAL vampirism??? If Wohlberg thinks there's such a thing as real vampirism, he's a *lot* more unhinged than the silly teenagers who are going through a phase of pretending to be vampires.

23 posted on 06/29/2010 5:00:55 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cakid1

Where is your ‘barf alert’?


24 posted on 06/29/2010 5:02:00 PM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: cakid1

From Steve Wohlberg’s web site:

“I woke up (on that June 2nd) from a very vivid dream. In my dream, two people were having an intense conversation in a meadow in the woods. One of these people was just your average girl. The other person was fantastically beautiful, sparkly, and a vampire. They were discussing the difficulties inherent in the facts that A) they were falling in love with each other while B) the vampire was particularly attracted to the scent of her blood, and was having a difficult time restraining himself from killing her immediately.” —Stephenie Meyer, her first dream that launched the Twilight saga.

“I actually did have a dream after Twilight was finished of Edward coming to visit me — only I had gotten it wrong and he did drink blood like every other vampire and you couldn’t live on animals the way I’d written it. We had this conversation and he was terrifying.” —Stephenie Meyer, her second dream after her first Twilight book was finished.

“Now in this day and age it seems impossible that anyone can believe in this nonsense [real vampirism], but in pop culture vampires are making a comeback in a big way. The blockbuster movie, Twilight is setting box office records on the big screen, while HBO’s True Blood is heating up the small screen… But vampires aren’t just tinsel town moneymakers, there’s actually a vampire subculture that exists in the United States right now and spreads into almost every community in this country.” —Sean Hannity, Fox News Report, Night Neighbors.

“We have clearly defined goals, projects, and activities that we both strive for and follow to completion. In addition to working with an assortment of members from our own community, we also consult with members of the media, law enforcement, clergy, and academia along with paranormalists, metaphysists, and those in related fields of interest to clarify the beliefs and viewpoints held by the majority of those who identify themselves as “real vampires.” —The Atlanta Vampire Alliance, quoted on their website (Mission and FAQ section).

“You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor shall you practice divination or soothsaying” (The Holy Bible, Leviticus 19:26, NKJV, emphasis added)


25 posted on 06/29/2010 5:05:22 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Perdogg

Unfortunately, some here on FR push the Twilight Mormon prop.


26 posted on 06/29/2010 5:07:37 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Othniel; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA

I met a young lady today while getting my car fix, she had a bumper sticker that said “Pagans make better lovers”. I should have offered to test the theory. She also had an 0bama in 08 window banner - barf.


27 posted on 06/29/2010 5:08:47 PM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: cakid1

I am glad that I am not the parent of a teenage girl, if I was my kid would HATE me. Although I found the Twilight series pretty much mindless entertainment, it was pretty tame.
However, this craze that has developed and led to books like one I partially read recently called “Eternal Hunger” by Cynthia Eden. Listed as a ‘Paranormal Romance’ it was really more along the lines of one of those X-rated sex stories that are sent in to Hustler magazine. I am not kidding, VERY explicit and is the first book I have EVER encountered from a public library that should have had an adults only warning label.


28 posted on 06/29/2010 5:15:26 PM PDT by alexandria ("If this be treason, make the most of it!" Patrick Henry)
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To: Othniel
People not having a personal grounding in their lives fall prey to all kinds of nonsense, much of it devised by the Enemy who hates them and wants them eternally dead.

Actually, most of it is very demonstrably devised by for-profit companies who love the fans' money and want them eternally alive and buying the endless stream of obsession-feeding junk that said companies are spewing out to induce the fans to hand over their money.

29 posted on 06/29/2010 5:17:03 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cakid1; mlizzy

Cheers!

30 posted on 06/29/2010 5:23:43 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Perdogg

“Pagans make better lovers” .... probably should have said, bigger lovers......


31 posted on 06/29/2010 5:27:41 PM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

When I was 16, I was obsessed, and I mean OBSESSED, with the Beatles. But I never was inclined to take drugs just because they did, or any other sinful things they talked about in their songs. (Half of the lyrics were over my head anyway.) I grew up very normal and a right-wing conservative who takes her Catholic faith very seriously.


32 posted on 06/29/2010 5:36:44 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: I still care
I think a young girl obsessed with Twilight is at risk for an unhealthy romantic relationship.

Edward give emotional whiplash and physical pain to everyone involved with him, yet he is represented as being the only possible love of this girl’s life. She actually throws herself into the sea out of desperation to be near him.

The girl seemed passive-aggressive and very manipulative. In the spirit of full disclosure, I was forced to watch this movie while enroute to Iraq. In order to prepare us for enemy psyops, they played it about 17 times. Where was Van Helsing when we needed him?

33 posted on 06/29/2010 5:39:00 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: Perdogg

Yes, but the responsible adults should offer guidance.

I remember when my boys were younger, I would let them watch things on TV other parents wouldn’t, but I would sit with them and discuss what was going on from a rational, biblical point of view.

If my daughters wanted to read the books, I would talk to them about it. I would ask questions like, “What do you think about Bella’s judgement, when she is following someone around who’s told her he is dangerous and a bad guy?”


34 posted on 06/29/2010 5:42:28 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: murron

I loved the Beatles also. But I’d hope you had an adult in your life that mentioned that the drug mentality was unhappy, and that running to India searching for gurus was foolish.

I remember actually discussing the Beatles with one son, who loved their music. We spent some time talking about that John Lennon had no decent parents and spent time casting about for something to believe in, but drugs, eastern religions and adultery were emotional dead ends.

This does not negate muscial genius, and we also talked about how people will give such people a “pass”- and how that can lead to destruction.

I always searched for teachable moments in the popular culture. The trick to doing it is to not make it a lecture, but a true moment of sharing.


35 posted on 06/29/2010 5:52:30 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: cakid1
The books are "page turners" and are frothy, lightweight fantasy romance like some of those old fairy tales, Beauty and the Beast, etc. I didn't like the movies much, although the second was better than the first.

Not to mention that the books had a lot of intentional humor in them--and I don't mean the silly plot, but some pretty good gags. Edward is really something of a prude, grumpy, self-righteous and designed to be so. Bella is a terrible clutz. But she drives an old, rusty truck and holds down a part-time job, takes care of her dad, feels horrible guilt when she lies to him...

I think too much is being made of this. The book has many moral dilemmas, so at least the author knows about morals.

36 posted on 06/29/2010 5:56:26 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: cakid1

Hilarious, if rude Twilight parody video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_PY405f40


37 posted on 06/29/2010 6:02:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Tzimisce

I’ve watched the Twilight movies with my 18 year old daughter. She’s constantly grousing about how stupid Bella is to choose Edward over Jacob.

And that’s the extent of it. She’s just as likely to be drawn to vampires as a result of watching these movies as she is to be drawn to Klingons as a result of watching TNG.


38 posted on 06/29/2010 6:58:20 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: Mamzelle
I agree.
I am actually shocked at some of the pointedly ignorant comments made by some of the posters here.

Yes, I have read the books(I really enjoyed them) and watched the movies (they were not nearly as good as the books).

The “morals” to the stories are frankly obvious, and the storyline itself has no direct relation to the “occult”.
Standard good versus evil tale, with good winning in the end.
“Bella” is not being “stalked/abused/manipulated/etc”, just a fictional young woman acting like a typical teenager in love.
Frankly, I prefer my daughter read these type books than most of the crappy “pornography” that the publishing houses push as “romance novels” for teens.
Only a true “religious extremist geek” could read the book series and possibly interpret them as “evil/occult”.

39 posted on 06/29/2010 6:59:54 PM PDT by sarasmom (No incumbent re-elected, at any level of government office.(Period))
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To: Perdogg

Mormon propaganda?

I know you’re just joking but...did you know.

Sex does show up in ‘Breaking Dawn.’

Bella and Edward get married - and have a honeymoon.

Bella becomes pregnant with Edward’s vampire child.

Also a gang rape is alluded to in ‘Eclipse.’

Bella is taken advantage of by her best non-vampire friend, Jacob, who forces a kiss on her.

etc..


40 posted on 06/29/2010 7:08:18 PM PDT by cakid1
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To: I still care
Wow!

Someone was obviously heavily and negatively influenced by reading “The Woman's Room” by Marilyn French.
LOL!
I find it hard to comprehend that anyone could read the book series, and find something to complain about, relating to human morality

41 posted on 06/29/2010 7:09:37 PM PDT by sarasmom (No incumbent re-elected, at any level of government office.(Period))
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I thought the first movie in the series was very good actually. Edward and the other vampires were convicted by a conscience, hence they controlled themselves to only feed on animals. And as much as Edward wanted to have Bella for dinner, he cared for her and loved her...hence no sex. That had a lot of meaning actually as there are many very decent people in society that are similar, they have demons in them but they are still really decent people and would never outwardly express those demons on anyone else if they could possibly help it. Millions of people are like that and there is no escaping those demons in our minds without the help of God and no struggle from us. It is exactly what they want, a mental fight or conversation with them. They are the voices in our heads which masquarade as us!


42 posted on 06/29/2010 7:13:08 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: cakid1

This explains why I’m so goofed up - the only stuff I ever read growing up was Jules Verne and HG Wells.


43 posted on 06/29/2010 7:15:56 PM PDT by stormer
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To: I still care
You obviously did not read the book.
44 posted on 06/29/2010 7:17:05 PM PDT by sarasmom (No incumbent re-elected, at any level of government office.(Period))
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To: sarasmom

Of course I read it. And saw the movie at home. I was over a nieces house one evening with nothing to do, and read it. My son rented the movie and I watched it.

Just read over a page, and look at Edward’s emotions. The list of 20 things I posted, and the paragraph above, was from another source, as I stated. But I am not the only one who feels this way. Just do a search with Twilight and Edward and abuse. You will get alot of results.


45 posted on 06/29/2010 9:37:08 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: cakid1

There was a time George Reeves was being blamed for children hurting themselves trying to fly like Superman, and Larry, Moe, and Curly being blamed for kids slapping each other. “Dangers to society” all.

Same ol same ol.


46 posted on 06/29/2010 10:11:45 PM PDT by tlb
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To: I still care

I didn’t need an adult to tell me this. I already knew that this was crazy. I was, and still am, a devout Catholic and thought that going to gurus was depressing. Maybe because I’m an Anglo-file may have colored my thinking.


47 posted on 06/30/2010 7:58:24 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: GeronL
They see AVATAR and come away hating the military. As if it were real or something.
I just rented avatar the other day, and I vehemently diagree, as I came away from the movie merely wanting to turn my back on my culture and planet while pursuing blue non-human 'tang.

I mean really: Blue non-human 'tang?

48 posted on 06/30/2010 8:20:44 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

lol


49 posted on 06/30/2010 9:57:55 AM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: murron

You are fortunate. Several of my friends were sucked in. In those days, it was quite “hip” to meditate.


50 posted on 06/30/2010 11:04:21 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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