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STEIN: Obama aims pro-illegal lawsuit at Arizona
The Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, June 30, 2010 | Dan Stein

Posted on 07/01/2010 3:56:26 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo

The Obama administration has announced that it intends to sue Arizona over its new law that will allow the state to assist in the enforcement of federal immigration laws. The stated goal of the lawsuit is to block implementation of the popular Arizona law before it takes effect on July 29. The unstated - but perhaps more important - objective of the administration is to intimidate other states where similar legislation is being considered.

The Obama administration's position on immigration policy is clear. The administration's goal is a sweeping amnesty for millions of illegal aliens and the virtual dismantling of all meaningful immigration-related enforcement. Not only is immigration enforcement not a priority for the current administration, but it is a threat to their overall political strategy that must be attacked aggressively.

A lawsuit brought by the U.S. Department of Justice is no idle threat. This administration is working in concert with amnesty advocates such as the American Civil Liberties Union to try to make Arizona's defense as burdensome and costly as possible. Even if Arizona ultimately prevails - as many legal scholars believe the state will - victory is unlikely to come swiftly or cheaply.

For Arizona, which is saddled with an estimated $2.6 billion a year fiscal burden as a result of the federal government's refusal to enforce immigration laws, the cost of mounting a legal defense may be worth it. The problem of illegal immigration has become so acute in Arizona that residents seem ready to stand behind state leaders even as the costs of a legal defense mount.

In filing suit against Arizona, the administration is delivering an only slightly veiled and deeply troubling message to other states: Enforcing immigration laws locally may be right for your state; it may be popular with the

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: arizona; immigrationreform; lawsuit; obama

1 posted on 07/01/2010 3:56:31 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo
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To: Bad~Rodeo

Messing with the 10th Amendment...

Plus AZ just repeated a Federal immigration law


2 posted on 07/01/2010 3:58:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bad~Rodeo

So why can’t we sue the federal govt for not enforcing the law?


4 posted on 07/01/2010 4:05:18 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Bad~Rodeo
The decision of the Obama administration to bleed the taxpayers of Arizona signals that before Americans can protect themselves against the harmful effects of mass illegal immigration, they will have to fight a very costly battle with their own government.

What a shame.

5 posted on 07/01/2010 4:09:22 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: driftdiver

It will not allow itself to be sued.


6 posted on 07/01/2010 4:09:22 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Bad~Rodeo

Arizona should threaten to secede from this effed-up union if Obummer doesn’t back off.


7 posted on 07/01/2010 4:10:09 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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To: libertylover

“What a shame.”

You are so right, what kind of idiot would come up with a scheme like this and he is the President of OUR country. (I’m sure its not his country) How in the he** did we let this country get into such a mess.


8 posted on 07/01/2010 4:20:43 AM PDT by depenzz (Its what you learn after you know it all that counts.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think immigration is a power delegated to the federal government and so is not a 10th amendment issue.


9 posted on 07/01/2010 4:23:23 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Kimberly GG; TADSLOS; raybbr; stephenjohnbanker; TommyDale
Hey, Ohaha, here's some hot sauce to go with that suck-up.

Just chug-a-lug a quart or so before you press your lips to them mehicano backsides.

10 posted on 07/01/2010 4:25:11 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Bad~Rodeo

The Arizona law should be valued as a law that increases the value of being a citizen of the US with the right to vote no matter what your race

Election laws that require positive identification of a registered voter and otherwise reduce fraud should similarly be valued as a means of increasing the value of being a citizen with the right to vote

Preservation of our rights is a job that must be guarded with alacrity


11 posted on 07/01/2010 4:25:35 AM PDT by Helotes
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Better yet have them try and join up with Mexico...that will cause a great stir....


12 posted on 07/01/2010 4:26:00 AM PDT by databoss
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To: depenzz

Come one depenzz,
obammys election was about righting the wrongs of slavery and racism.
Plus he has a nice smile which won over a lot of ladies.
Be a hell of a long time before we elect another black.


13 posted on 07/01/2010 4:45:51 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: pennboricua

Yeah I know but this situation is crazy. There has to be an angle.


14 posted on 07/01/2010 4:47:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mr. Blonde

“I think immigration is a power delegated to the federal government and so is not a 10th amendment issue.”

AZ is not trying to enforce immigration into the country.

AZ is trying to enforce AZ law, which the Federal govt is seeking to prevent. 10th amendment would apply.


15 posted on 07/01/2010 4:50:28 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Perhaps a Defense Fund could be started in Arizona’s behalf. If everyone who backs Arizona sent $5 or $10 it should help out quite a bit.


16 posted on 07/01/2010 4:56:45 AM PDT by Surrounded_too (Robot machine guns and the Dirty Dozen)
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To: Bad~Rodeo

BamBam, I have a novel idea, fix the darn spill here on the coast and THEN run off into left field where you stay with your other ‘projects’..


17 posted on 07/01/2010 5:03:09 AM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: Surrounded_too

Lincoln said ‘A house divided against itself can not stand.” Here we have a guy who is at best, 1/2 of Lincoln’s people (the white half-from the waist down), tearing down the house of all real Americans.


18 posted on 07/01/2010 5:04:37 AM PDT by Surrounded_too (Robot machine guns and the Dirty Dozen)
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To: driftdiver

An AZ law in regards to immigration.

Not to mention the difficulty in getting the court to buy a 10th amendment argument in general.


19 posted on 07/01/2010 5:05:17 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Do you have a solution?


20 posted on 07/01/2010 5:07:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Surrounded_too

That is a good idea although I thought Brewer already did something similar.


21 posted on 07/01/2010 5:08:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Liz

LOL!


22 posted on 07/01/2010 5:08:58 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Bad~Rodeo

Get the docs, phone records and public video, this is another one for the articles of impeachment.

Also the right should work on abolishment of sanctuary cities.

Let’s see what hey have after that.

Oh, the first state to succede, I’m there to work my *ss off and defend it.


23 posted on 07/01/2010 5:10:47 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray. Stop Barrystroika.)
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To: Mr. Blonde

So as you’re citizens are killed ,kidnapped; drug dealers with the help of Mex army regulars/equipment/weapons and Islamists coming across; while there are heads and limbs right at the border and the oath to protect against enemies foreign and domestic is ignored, what is the recourse of a state?


24 posted on 07/01/2010 5:20:02 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray. Stop Barrystroika.)
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To: driftdiver

For winning this case? I would guess that going the opposite way and instead of arguing for sovereignty arguing that the similarity between the federal and state law and that the end result of finding an illegal immigrant is to turn them over to ICE makes this law in accordance with Federal immigration law.

I haven’t looked at the Federal law, but I would guess it directs local law enforcement to check immigration status. If so, highlighting that makes more sense than trying a 10th amendment case.


25 posted on 07/01/2010 5:40:54 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: AliVeritas

Potentially not much. Immigration is an enumerated power of the Federal government. They don’t even have to sneak it in under general welfare.

My main point is from a pragmatic point of view, arguing this case under the 10th amendment isn’t a good idea. The very few cases that have succeeded under the 10th are exactly the opposite of this. The Federal government telling states to enforce Federal laws.


26 posted on 07/01/2010 5:45:02 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: driftdiver

Getting sued will be the least of this Regimes’ concern,
the civil war that will occur should be their greater worry.


27 posted on 07/01/2010 6:04:30 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Mr. Blonde
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28 posted on 07/01/2010 6:07:18 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (INTEGRATE or VACATE: BoycottMexicoNow.com)
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To: Bad~Rodeo
The Obama administration has announced that it intends to sue Arizona over its new law .... before it takes effect on July 29.

Hmmm?!?
If that's the case then (IMHO) 'The Obama administration' doesn't have 'standing'.

In order to sue in Federal Court you must first show that you HAVE BEEN harmed (past tense) in order to have 'Standing', and then you continue on from there. So if they sue before the law is the law, no harm has been done. (You cannot sue on a hypothetical, 'what if', 'future harm')

This ploy of 'standing' has been Barry's ace in hiding all his documents.
No 'harm', no 'standing'.

29 posted on 07/01/2010 6:07:48 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: pennboricua

“the civil war that will occur should be their greater worry”

I’m convinced that is the agenda.


30 posted on 07/01/2010 6:37:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Smith and Wesson and other arms manufactures have had their best sales period since this Regime came into power, good thing.

Better.... Liberal, Progressive loons are allergic to firearms.


31 posted on 07/01/2010 6:46:49 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Bad~Rodeo; All

MSNBC Survey (still active!!) sent from our friends at NAFBPO

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_question/2010/05/12/4274124-do-you-support-arizonas-tough-new-law-on-illegal-immigration

Do you support Arizona’s tough new law on illegal immigration?

In July, Arizona will begin enforcing a new law that requires law enforcement officers to check someone’s immigration status if they have reason to suspect that he or she is in the country illegally. Do you think this is a good idea?
Question on mexico

* Yes
* No

Results
Total of 1,657,630 votes

95.7%
Yes
1,587,288 votes


32 posted on 07/01/2010 11:45:08 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: databoss

“Better yet have them try and join up with Mexico...that will cause a great stir...”

Yikes! No thank-you. I’d rather see Arizona and Texas join together and from a free country....the Southwest Confederation of America. Invite Oklahoma to join, too.


33 posted on 07/01/2010 1:25:29 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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