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Mel Gibson Uses Racial Slur: Report (This is still shocking news to ABC ???)
ABC News ^ | 07/01/2010 | Bob Tourtellotte

Posted on 07/01/2010 5:07:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Oscar-winning director and actor Mel Gibson, who caused a media storm four years ago over an anti-Semitic statement, is again making headlines for using an apparent racial slur in an argument with his ex-girlfriend.

Celebrity news website Radaronline.com Thursday published excerpts of an audiotape of Gibson telling Oksana Grigorieva, whom "The Passion of the Christ" director is battling in court, that they way she is dressed made her look like a "pig in heat."

"If you get raped by a pack of n***ers, it will be your fault," Radaronline reported Gibson as shouting at Grigorieva during an argument she taped, apparently using an expression that is deeply insulting to African Americans.

Radaronline, which published the excerpt with the three asterisks, claims to have listened to the tape. A representative for the website was not immediately available for further comment.

A spokesman for Gibson declined to comment due to pending litigation between the actor and his ex-girlfriend, and Gibson's lawyer also was unavailable for comment.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


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I've seen LOTS of people use the same slur regularly here in New York City alone. I wonder why ABC considers this to be newsworthy...
1 posted on 07/01/2010 5:07:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Mel used the N word. I guess that entitles her to millions of his $$. [/s]


2 posted on 07/01/2010 5:10:59 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
apparently using an expression that is deeply insulting to African Americans.

Apparently not, since they casually use it on each other all the time.

They'll never forgive this guy for making his movie, will they.

3 posted on 07/01/2010 5:11:19 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Some political books recount Bill/Hillary tirades in which —between the lamps thrown— she’d lambaste him as, “J*w N*gger”.

I...had never heard that slur b4.


4 posted on 07/01/2010 5:11:19 PM PDT by TokuMei
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who has seen his movies shouldn’t be surprised that he’s got anger issues.


5 posted on 07/01/2010 5:11:31 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: SeekAndFind
I wonder why ABC considers this to be newsworthy...

Seems like some kind of warning shot - "remember what we did to Gibson, here's a reminder."

After all, Gore is being destroyed at the moment from the re-opening of a years-old criminal complaint. When Clinton people are tagged, they usually tag back if only to show they still can.

6 posted on 07/01/2010 5:12:26 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
As Jim Caviezel (Passion of the Christ) said once in an interview you can not expect to make a movie about The Passion and not have some of it given back to you.

The demons are going after Gibson bigtime.

7 posted on 07/01/2010 5:15:13 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Talisker

Hey, it’s simply that Gibson is not a full blown Hollywood liberal..


8 posted on 07/01/2010 5:15:19 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: SeekAndFind

“Mel Gibson” rap song by Smooth E.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFHZB2cL6c4


9 posted on 07/01/2010 5:15:24 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

If he was black and had said “cracker” or “honky” or “redneck”.........no one would give a s**t.

So....I don’t give a s**t what he says in a private conversation with this wench. Neither should any of you.


10 posted on 07/01/2010 5:16:17 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: mware

Mind you most of those demons are of his own making.


11 posted on 07/01/2010 5:16:59 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about those Black Panthers in Philly calling the Caucasion-Americans “Cracker” and “Whitey”? Those aren’t terms of endearment.


12 posted on 07/01/2010 5:18:38 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: SeekAndFind

I think everyone should just put duct tape on their mouth and never talk at all. That way no one would ever be insulted. There, problem solved.


13 posted on 07/01/2010 5:20:32 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I find Gibson’s candor refreshing.


14 posted on 07/01/2010 5:33:43 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: SeekAndFind

They will never forgive him for making that movie.


15 posted on 07/01/2010 5:37:47 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: Eyes Unclouded

That’s why I love them!

He has fire in his heart!


16 posted on 07/01/2010 5:39:41 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: grand wazoo

I don’t think Mel is the victim of some sort of persecution for his godliness.

He had an affair with a 20- something, and left his apparently faithful wife and several kids for her.

Also, he apparently drinks to excess and hates several different racial/ethnic religious groups.

None of this is Christlike in the least.


17 posted on 07/01/2010 5:43:36 PM PDT by Persevero (Christian American Patriot)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll get real worked up over this after ABC does a retrospective on the racial diatribes of the “Revs.” Jackson, Sharpton, and Jeremiah Wright.

Not before.


18 posted on 07/01/2010 5:52:36 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Gibson quoted the lyrics from a rap song. Give him a pass.
19 posted on 07/01/2010 5:52:55 PM PDT by Realman30 (If 10% is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be enough for Uncle Sam.)
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To: Persevero
I don’t think Mel is the victim of some sort of persecution for his godliness.

It's for having made a Godly movie. Do you see ABC trumpeting what Jeremiah Wright says about whites and Jews? Nope.

20 posted on 07/01/2010 5:53:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yep...Gibson is Godly, all right. He’s proven that over and over again.


21 posted on 07/01/2010 5:57:55 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

Quote where I said he was Godly?


22 posted on 07/01/2010 6:00:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Persevero
None of this is Christlike in the least.

We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Except you of course!

Mel Gibson is being attacked because he dared to make a movie about the persecution and crucifixion of Jesus Christ that was faithful to the gospels.

I won't accept the word of some bottom feeder at some scandal mag called RadarOnline. I'll withhold judgment and wait for the tapes to be made public before I criticize the man. Did they ever release the tapes from his drunk driving arrest? No, because they didn't back up the narrative.

23 posted on 07/01/2010 6:01:45 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Anyone who has seen his movies shouldn’t be surprised that he’s got anger issues.

That works pretty well on-screen. The last thing I want to see is a metro-sexual William Wallace. ;^)

24 posted on 07/01/2010 6:20:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: grand wazoo
Mel Gibson is being attacked because he dared to make a movie about the persecution and crucifixion of Jesus Christ that was faithful to the gospels.

Just curious, there have been many movies made about the life of Christ -- THE KING OF KINGS, THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, JESUS OF NAZARETH among them. Why are people so worked up over the Passion ?
25 posted on 07/01/2010 6:43:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: All

As a fan of “Passion of the Christ” I have to say I am deeply disappointed in Mel. That he would say that ugly word shows a lot about his character.

I still have Bruce Willis and Tom Selleck to look up to.


26 posted on 07/01/2010 6:47:57 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (President Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents (next to Ronald Reagan))
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To: SeekAndFind
THE KING OF KINGS, THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, JESUS OF NAZARETH

How many of those films had the editorial boards of most major newspapers writing editorial and opinion pieces libeling the film's director?

How many of those films were blacklisted by the distributors?

How many of those films were made in the last 30 years? The American films are nearly 50 years old.

27 posted on 07/01/2010 6:52:07 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

One has an 80% more of a chance of being raped by a murder of crows than a group of cats. Mel’s observations were correct, whats the fuss about?


28 posted on 07/01/2010 7:08:32 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: grand wazoo

“We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Except you of course!”

Just because I don’t view Mel’s continued troubles as persecution for his “Christianity” doesn’t mean I think I am not a sinner. That’s a pretty big leap, there.


29 posted on 07/01/2010 7:58:27 PM PDT by Persevero (“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” George)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I agree that Jeremiah Wright is getting a pass.

Mel doesn’t have to commit adultery, leave his wife and family, get publicly drunk, go off on various people groups, use foul language, and grotesquely insult that mother of his latest child, does he? No matter what Jeremiah Wright has done.

If he hadn’t done the above, there would be nothing to chide him over, would there be?

There are great Christians past and present who have been truly and often hideously persecuted for their faith in Jesus. I would not put Mel Gibson in their company.


30 posted on 07/01/2010 8:01:10 PM PDT by Persevero (“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” George)
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To: Persevero
I don’t think Mel is the victim of some sort of persecution for his godliness.

He had an affair with a 20- something, and left his apparently faithful wife and several kids for her.

Also, he apparently drinks to excess and hates several different racial/ethnic religious groups.

None of this is Christlike in the least.

 Yeeeaah..., I have to go with that.  I've given Mel the benefit of the doubt in the past in assuming that he regretted his "ITS THE JOOS!!!" tirade on the night of his arrest while also pointing out that the .12 BAC he blew didn't remotely approach a level of intoxication to sufficiently explain away such behavior. 

But I'm thinking that we need to acknowledge that this man that made a great movie about Christ, beyond being a very flawed human being as we all are, is indeed a very hateful un-Christlike individual. 

31 posted on 07/01/2010 8:09:48 PM PDT by MichiganMan (Oprah: Commercial Beef Agriculture=Bad, Commercial Chicken Agriculture=Good...Wait, WTF???)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
I still have Bruce Willis and Tom Selleck to look up to.

Better hope they don't make a movie about Jesus Christ.

32 posted on 07/01/2010 8:36:37 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Anyone who has seen his movies shouldn’t be surprised that he’s got anger issues.

Specific example please, or were you referring to the Lethal Weapon movies as a complete project. Gibson is about as F-ed up as your average Hollywood big shot. No more, no less. The difference is that he has some personal views that liberals equate with conservativism.

33 posted on 07/01/2010 9:53:11 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Persevero
Also, he apparently drinks to excess and hates several different racial/ethnic religious groups.

I confess that I have made racially insensitive remarks countless times in my life. I don't think that this makes me a racist.

The real question here is why was this woman taping him, and what purpose did is serve for him to release the tapes. Is he a threat to black people because of it? Is he even a threat to the ex-wife from what you've seen? Doubtful.

I have two friends who are psychiatrists (both are Jewish incidently) and both are conviced that Gibson suffers from untreated Type I Bi-Polar mania. Gibson has even suspected that he was Bi-Polar in interviews. He has been treating the mania with alcohol most of his adult life, but left medically untreated it is going to continue to get worse unless he gets medication. Every time people who have Bi-Polar have these type of manic episodes, they liteally fry brain cells, until they eventually reach a stage that is a lot like alzheimer's. Sometimes at an early are. Obviously they alcohol doesn't help with that, and it doesn't really adress the processes in the brain. It just slows them down and confuses them.

Incidently, racist remarks are a common syptom of mania and hypomania. Gibson has had far too many people in his life who were black, Jewish, or otherwise to assume he "hates" any racial groups.

34 posted on 07/01/2010 10:05:53 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
racist remarks are a symptom of mania and hypomania...

Well, that explains my dementia since Obama has been President. Van Jones, Eric Holder, Sotomayor, Kagan and Obama have been the recipients of some of my epithet filled tirades of late.

35 posted on 07/01/2010 10:32:32 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Persevero
Mel doesn’t have to commit adultery, leave his wife and family, get publicly drunk, go off on various people groups, use foul language, and grotesquely insult that mother of his latest child, does he?

You mean he behaves like most of Hollywood? But they make a point of his sins and not theirs. Hmmmmmm.

36 posted on 07/02/2010 4:39:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Yes, Obama’s legacy will be that the N-word is back and new terms like Halfrican are part of our vocabulary.


37 posted on 07/02/2010 6:16:19 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Celebrity news website Radaronline.com Thursday published excerpts of an audiotape of Gibson telling Oksana Grigorieva, whom “The Passion of the Christ” director is battling in court, that they way she is dressed made her look like a “pig in heat.””
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“Gibson, a staunch Catholic, made headlines worldwide in 2006 for a drunk driving arrest in Malibu during which he launched into an anti-Semitic tirade that shocked Hollywood.”
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Well, I don’t countenance anything Gibson might have done that he is reported to have done here, but you do have to wonder when these two details of Gibson’s career and personal life are invariably included in any news report of his bad behavior. He’s made scads of movies, but they mention only TPOTC. His being “a staunch Catholic” has nothing directly to do with this incident, but they felt it important to point it out (how often do they mention the religion of other celebrity bad boy/girl in these kinds of stories?).
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Maybe it’s just me, but it does sound like some unusual subtle editorializing to take irrelevant digs at Gibson, his religiously inspiring movie and his Catholicism.


38 posted on 07/02/2010 8:25:53 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fidelis
Maybe it’s just me, but it does sound like some unusual subtle editorializing to take irrelevant digs at Gibson, his religiously inspiring movie and his Catholicism.

Unusual? Subtle? Not in the least.

Who runs and funds RadarOnline?

Who runs and funds RadarOnline's parent company American Media, Inc.?

Follow the money.

39 posted on 07/02/2010 1:14:11 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: DJ MacWoW

“But they make a point of his sins and not theirs”

They make a point of his sins because of the hypocrisy.

The other louts are claiming to be Christians.


40 posted on 07/02/2010 5:05:58 PM PDT by Persevero (“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ - G. Wash.)
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To: Persevero

Most of Hollywood and the press are not Christians. They do the same things.


41 posted on 07/02/2010 5:08:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: presidio9

“The real question here is why was this woman taping him,”

Putting myself in her shoes, I’d guess for protection. She has a child. I wouldn’t want a manic person like that stalking me.

Otherwise it’s like, “he said, she said,” and of course everyone says she’s lying because she wants money.

She may well want money, but, his apparently insane rages are not something to ignore.

Your theory about bi-polar/mania is plausible. I don’t necessarily doubt it.

My whole point of posting on this thread was to say that I don’t think he is being persecuted for being a Christian.

Do you think his possible bi-polar mania caused him to leave his wife and family of 27 years?


42 posted on 07/02/2010 5:09:39 PM PDT by Persevero (“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ - G. Wash.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“Most of Hollywood and the press are not Christians. They do the same things.”

I know, but they don’t claim to be Christians, and make movies promoting gospel claims like “The Passion of Christ,” etc. So there is a huge hypocrisy factor here.


43 posted on 07/02/2010 5:10:55 PM PDT by Persevero (“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ - G. Wash.)
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To: Persevero
So there is a huge hypocrisy factor here.

Yes. I agree. But they hate Gibson because he made the movie without them. They even tried to stop it's distribution. He IS them but they target him for making the Passion. That movie is shown at youth groups, churches and Bible studies. It energized Christians. THAT makes him a target.

44 posted on 07/02/2010 5:16:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Persevero
My whole point of posting on this thread was to say that I don’t think he is being persecuted for being a Christian.

Actually, that was sort of my point. Trying to destroy a man over things he supposedly said is in direct contrast to Christ's teachings. I don't know the man, and neither do you, but from what I understand, his relations with members of other races sharply contrast the image the media has presented of him. If the guy hated Jews or black people, he wouldn't have Jewish or black friends. The tapes were taken out of context and used to destroy the man. First, because of his political views, and second because of his attepts to mainstream Christianity.

The incident reported here is a perfect example. Gibson obviously did not present any real threat to his girfriend. Otherwise, there would have been more to the story. I know I've threatened to "kill" a loved one a few times in my life. Doing so here was a mistake that's going to cost him more money in court, but that didn't make it credible.

Meanwhile, Christ instructed us specifically not to judge people, and especially when we don't know the whole story.

Mania can also stir religious fervor, though Gibson was brought up in an "Orthodox Catholic" family, so who knows how much the Bi-Polar effected this. It can certainly cause people to do irrational things like leaving your wife and kids, but the press doesn't seem too hung up on that one. In the more advanced stages, it often produces syptoms thqat are a lot like schizophrenia (hearing voices, seeing things), and I wouldn't be at all suprised is that's where he's headed. I also think that if he were on lithium, he's probably go back to making excellent movies like "The Patriout" and "Braveheart."

45 posted on 07/05/2010 12:20:05 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

Well, the abandonment of his family is a sin. Christ said judge not lest ye be judged; He also said to judge with righteous judgment.

As for threatening to kill people, Christ said we are guilty of murder if we do that. I have a hard time with your attitude about that, as though it is no big deal. No one in my family has ever threatened to kill me. As a matter of fact I can’t remember anyone outside of my family threatening to kill me, either. It is a big deal.

When God tells us that a person who abandons his family is worse than a heathen; or that hating people is the sin of murder; he does not make exception for bi polar disorder.

I appreciate that Mel has, or had, black and Jewish friends. Is he perhaps double minded? Or has he descended more and more into sin as the years go on? I don’t know.

The Bible further tells us to have nothing to do with someone who has left the faith, not even to eat with such a one. That would require judgment. There are many instructions about who to fellowship with and who not to. So, the admonition not to judge must be understood in relation to these many instructions.

I do not condemn Mel to hell. I can’t, and anyway, I don’t want to. I do not declare him unforgiveable. It’s not my lookout, and anyway, he has not committed the unpardonable sin so far as I know. In that sense, I don’t judge him.

However, to put him in there with the believers in detention center 20 in North Korea, or the ten Boom family, or Dietrich Bonhoeffer, or the two Margarets, or William Tyndale, and so forth - fantastic, godly Christian who were indeed persecuted for their faith - is absurd, and insulting to the martyrs of today and yesterday.


46 posted on 07/05/2010 12:30:40 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: presidio9

Here are real Christians being really persecuted for their faith:

T. J. Joseph, a teacher at Thodupuzha New Man College in the Southern most state of Kerala in South India was attacked by Muslim fundamentalists and his hands were cut off.

Kerala claims the highest literacy rate in India and Christians make 19% of the population of state with Islam and Hinduism making 24% and 56 % respectively.

T.J. Joseph is a Malayalam teacher at the NewMan College, Thodupuzha, Kerala State, India. The College was started by Dr. Mathew Pothanamuzhy, the then Bishop of Kothamangalam diocese of Eastern Catholic rite, Syro Malabar Church in one of the most backward district Idukki in Kerala.

The issue started when Muslim fundamentalist organizations accused the question paper of a second year Bachelor of Commerce degree Malayalam course at the Newman College with a reference to Muhammad as “misleading and inflammatory’”. Protests were called by various Muslim organizations which turned violent in April 2010.

The Communist is in power in the Kerala state. The State Education Minister M.A.Baby then instructed Idukki district administration to register a criminal case against the teacher who prepared the question paper. A witch hunt was followed and the teacher later submitted himself to the Police after his son was allegedly taken in Police custody. Since then the teacher and his family was getting frequent threats from Muslim fundamentalist organizations in Kerala state.

The College management and the Mahatma University whose under the College instigated actions against the teacher.

At least three times group of people broke in and searched the house of the teacher including night time. The state police under the communist government did not act on the complaints by family and failed to undertake investigation and provide security to the teacher.

On 4th of July 2010, when the family returned from the Mass at Church, their car was stopped and the family including his aged mother and sister was tortured by a group of eight people who came in a Maruti Omni vehicle. The teacher was taken out of the vehicle and his two hands were cut off. T J Joseph, has sustained multiple injuries in his whole body. The fundamentalist group created fearful atmosphere with fire crackers to carry out this most heinous act. The teacher is admitted now at a specialist hospital in Ernakulam and his condition is said to be very critical.

The state police has confirmed that Popular Front, a Muslim fundamentalist organization is behind the attack. The Police has arrested five people, Jaffer, Ashraf, Hassan, Ali and Abubekrar so far. The Muslim terrorist organization Popular front has blocked the Police station at Perumbavoor in Kerala to free its activist who did this heinous crime.


47 posted on 07/05/2010 12:37:00 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t recall Sandra Bernhardt receiving this much publicity after she said the same thing about Gov. Palin. Maybe someone should ask Kelly McGillis what she thinks of the subject.


48 posted on 07/05/2010 12:43:22 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Persevero
Christ said judge not lest ye be judged; He also said to judge with righteous judgment.

And yet you appear to do so anyway.

As for threatening to kill people, Christ said we are guilty of murder if we do that. I have a hard time with your attitude about that, as though it is no big deal. No one in my family has ever threatened to kill me. As a matter of fact I can’t remember anyone outside of my family threatening to kill me, either. It is a big deal.

Thank God for your plain-vanilla existence, I guess. I have had more people than I can count threaten to "kill" me. And yet here I am. Threats don't mean anything when the person issuing the threat has no intention of carrying it out. The police deemed Gibson's threat invalid. That's why they took no action. I can assure you that people do in fact make bogus threats like this sometimes. You can think it's a big deal if you like. The police did not.

When God tells us that a person who abandons his family is worse than a heathen; or that hating people is the sin of murder; he does not make exception for bi polar disorder.

As a matter of fact, you have no idea what God makes an exception for. The Bible does not mention Bi-Polar disorder anywhere that I have noticed.

You also have no idea whether Mel Gibson has or has not left the faith. That is between him and God.

And you are in fact judging him. And it sounds very much to me that you are enjoying it.

And bear in mind that nowhere did I exhalt the man's faith, or compare it to that of others (with the possible exception of people who write articles like this). I have no idea what the man's relationship with God is, just like I have no idea whether he is really suffering from a mental illness. I have never met him, and neither have you, and yet you judge him anyway, and pretend that you don't.

49 posted on 07/05/2010 12:45:56 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Persevero
Here are real Christians being really persecuted for their faith:

This is not, to my knowledge, a conversation that we have been having. I like hearing about inspirational people, so I will read your post when I get the chance.

In the meantime, this is a classic strawman. Please state your motivation for posting this at this time. I sought only to defend a man from liberal media assasination, not get into a contest about who is more righteous than who.

Feel free to start any threads you like about your personal heros. In the meantime, if you are going to be conversing with me, please try to stay on subject.

50 posted on 07/05/2010 12:52:29 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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