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Posted on 07/03/2010 10:53:04 AM PDT by Duke C.
The first reports of a steep drop in the age of puberty began to emerge from the U.S. just over a decade ago - around the time my son Tony was born - but I didn't take too much notice back then.
If it was a real problem, I reasoned, I would know someone with a child in this situation and back then I did not.
As with so many other health stories, sceptical scientists quickly stepped in to criticise the methods used in the American studies, while others blamed the lifestyle there - too much obesity, too much sitting in front of televisions and computer screens and too much hormone-treated beef.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1287238/Tara-just-seven-puberty-struck--shockingly-cases-like-common--whats-blame.html#ixzz0sduTZhhF
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I have a daughter who is almost 9 who has had some early onset of puberty. She has a twin who doesn’t show the same signs.
I should say that we have had her checked out by the doctor because they were concerned she might have a disease that ages her quicker. Sometimes having a twin is a great asset because you can do direct comparisons with someone who is the exact same age and lives in the same environment.
It’s that aphrodisiac the Muslims said the Jew put in chewing gum.
We really need to be asking some questions about the way we’re feeding and caring for our kids, as this becomes more common. It’s not just an emotional issue or a matter of inconvenience; early onset of puberty is a predictor of reproductive cancer in later life.
Worried with a 5 year old girl. This should have more research dollars than the BS we fund . . . gay hook ups in Soviet Republics and that kind of crap.
Don’t count on it. Only a very small group of people give a **** about kids these days. The overwhelming majority of “people” in western society would sooner kill a child for a better sex orgy.
I would imagine that the pharmaceuticals (hormones) that are ending up in our groundwater and surface water is a contributor. All those years of septage with traces of birth control pills might have an effect.
Everybody should take a deep breath and relax. Biology is no dummy, and so does what is best for reproduction and species survival. At the same time, this means that it is *somewhat* responsive to changes in the environment. Were talking millions of years of evolution, here.
So to start with, what could be causing children to experience puberty earlier? One of the big things is “good nutrition”. They have what it takes to be healthy. So if you want to delay onset of puberty, what do you want to do, starve your children?
Physical stress, and the lack of physical stress, can also affect the onset of puberty. So if you want to work your children to exhaustion, the run them five miles every day, don’t be surprised if they don’t experience puberty until they are 17, even if their bodies are buff.
Parents, too, can affect their children. If you wait until you are 40 before having children, I would not be surprised if they mature faster than normal, because for much of human history, 40 was rare old age. So the kids bodies would “know” that the kid had better learn to fend for him or herself quickly, as their parents will be dying soon.
Conversely, parents with faster metabolisms might find it perfectly normal to have kids at 16, grandkids at 34, great grandkids at 50, shortly before they die. They naturally burn their candle at both ends and have shorter lifespans. So the earlier they *can* have kids, the better.
That’s intriguing!
Soy, soy, soy, it is in everything, it is full of natural estrogens. When we grew up we had natural and easily obtainable saturated fats, now they push soy. Dry products, extended with soy. Health food, full of soy.
I’ve gone back to using lard and bacon grease for things because just anecdotally, I don’t see fewer people with heart disease but only fewer people who die of it and that has to do with good medical care. Back in the day, you could use a good dishwashing detergent to clean the top of the stove but now it takes elbow grease because these new vegetable and soy oils congeal and stick like crazy and I just imagine what it is doing to my insides.
We have calves to butcher soon and I’m going to render some of the fat. I will admit that I have never regularly eaten beef treated with hormones because we raise our own and that could be a reason but I really believe that the soy is a huge problem.
This is real common in countries that allow hormones in beef cattle.
Don’t count on it. Only a very small group of people give a **** about kids these days. The overwhelming majority of “people” in western society would sooner kill a child for a better sex orgy.
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You are VERY out of touch, my friend. Maybe you’re spending too much time hanging out at the free clinic observing what you claim firsthand - but the MAJORITY of American Parents love their children and try to provide the best they can.
It is NOT the fault of parents that there are more and more chemicals/hormones being slipped into the food supply. Most do not have a degree in bio-chemistry to figure out what’s on the labels.
Interesting. We use olive oil and butter, avoid processed foods when we have the cash to do so.
Nowadays you see more and more young girls, 12 years or so, and lately even younger, with developed breasts and defined figures; and also boys with highly defined musculature, etc.
Some years ago, when this stuff was just beginning to happen, I was told by a physician that in both cases; both girls and boys, this is an indication that as infants they were fed a certain brand of formula instead of breast milk. He did not specify WHICH brand of formula, and I did not have the presence of mind, or the chutzpah, to ask him.
A study made in Jamaica about twenty years ago placed a lot of blame on the eating of chicken that had been fed hormones. Also milk from cows that had been fed the same way. Speed up food production,with spiked feed, end up with these results.
If soy then wouldn’t the asian cultures have earlier onset of puberty?
Anyone worried about their kids can take some steps to prevent this and other symptoms of environmental neurotoxins:
Don’t buy cheap chicken and beef. Organic grassfed beef and organic free range outdoors chickens. Spend more and get actual FOOD grade meat. Go see where they are raised and you’ll get a clue.
Don’t cook or serve food in plastic. Don’t store food in plastic. Don’t buy much packaged food at all, and if you do buy packaged food, make sure it’s dry items without fat. Try and avoid cans that have BPA in their linings. Most have it.
Learn about vitamins and nutrients that protect against toxins and inflammation. You can do better by your kids.
I was at the pool last weekend and there was this girl about 10 who was already developing breast and hips were already expanding. I am not trying to fix the blame, but women are delaying childbirth, I wonder if that has something to do with it. Only 2000 years ago Roman 12 yo girls were marrying and having children.
Another culprit is better prenatal care.
Asians have soy all the time, and they don’t have any problems with it.
I’d point my suspicion towards three things:
1. Female birth control..
2. Hormones in beef cattle and for extending milk production in milch cattle.
3. Hormones added to plants to produce seedless fruit.
There might be others, such as food additives mimicking hormones, but I’m not sure kids get much of those to cause concern.
Asians have soy all the time, and they don’t have any problems with it.
I’d point my suspicion towards three things:
1. Female birth control..
2. Hormones in beef cattle and for extending milk production in milch cattle.
3. Hormones added to plants to produce seedless fruit.
There might be others, such as food additives mimicking hormones, but I’m not sure kids get much of those to cause concern.
>Physical stress, and the lack of physical stress, can also affect the onset of puberty. So if you want to work your children to exhaustion, the run them five miles every day, don’t be surprised if they don’t experience puberty until they are 17, even if their bodies are buff.
Except that 5mi/day isn’t really that far (though I prefer to walk instead of run)... I’m not sure that that “stress” would be a bad thing either.
Sorry for any child who must endure early onset of puberty, three things come to mind:
1. Lack of physical exercise
2. Dietary habits
3. Overwhelming amount of products/chemicals high in estrogen, namely soy based products
Historically a lower age of puberty coincided with prosperity, due to the lack of conflict or immediate threat to life, enough to eat and less physical labor. In the last 30 maybe 40 or so years many have attributed obesity, early onset of puberty and effeminate attributes to a good life; ignoring contributing factors, empirical data, all the while avoiding societal responsibility.
Soy is making kids ‘gay’: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
The trouble with soy – part 2: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53425
The trouble with soy – part 3: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53507
The trouble with soy – part 4: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53596
The trouble with soy – part 5: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53675
The trouble with soy – part 6: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=39705
Almost all infant formulas contain soy.
Almost all infant formulas contain soy.
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For the health of your baby, breastfeed if you are physically able to. No question about that. We had to switch to formula at about 9 months once with my wife because of a medical problem and hospital stay. She dried up I guess. So no guilt, you can only do what you can do, but definitely breastfeed if you can. Scientists making formula are smart, but not as smart as God.
I just found out the other day from freeper muawiyah that asians have over 500 different genes for the digestion & assimilation of RICE. I was astounded, as I've always read that rice is SO safe, that "nobody" is allergic to rice, that Asians don't get fat on rice, so change your diet to a rice/STARCH based one, BLAH/Blah/blah.
There is LOTS of nutritional misinformation out there, and everybody keeps requoting it.
I would bet gentics has a lot to do with it. Most of the females in my family on my Mom’s side all had puberty early one as young as 8 and others no later than 11.I was one of the later ones at 11.
BTW this was anywhere from 20 yeatrs ago to over 30years ago so most of the things from food and plastics were not as prevelent then.
You have hit the nail on the head.
It is chicken. I have worked in the feed related industry 25 years and have seen first hand what chemicals are used to speed up the growth of chicken and develop certain parts of the chicken faster. (legs and breasts)
35 days from egg to pan? You betcha!
Young girls on average eat nothing but cereal and chicken tenders. Hormone laden chicken has been marketed everywhere since the early 1990’s.
Thanks Bo, and Tyson’s and all the other chicken producers for what is happening to the youth.
Add to that the inability to get a job, and it kinda sucks to be a teen nowadays....
What does rice have to do with soy? No one has made a connection with rice and hormonal issues, only with soy.
Really complicated.
I think it is a combination of factors but that soy is a key player. I read a book called “The Whole Soy Story” (http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Story-Americas-Favorite/dp/0967089751/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278186549&sr=8-1) that, while it was an advocacy (anti-soy) piece, really did a great job of documenting assertions with medical studies. There was an infant formula that was around 100% soy several years ago, until medical studies revealed the devastating effects that soy had on babies.
On the Amazon website link that I provided, you can read comments by pro and anti soy readers. Even the readers who are pro soy generally say “true, soy contains cytotoxins but only if you eat too much of it.” One reader said the cytotoxin claim made sense to hear once she read it because she always wondered why the interior of her mouth would go numb when she ate it. Others talked about negative effects, most of which were hormone based.
The book has a chapter on the use of soy in Asian societies and documents that it’s consumption is more recent historically than the impression we receive, that it is fermented in the traditional Asian process (unlike modern soy production), and that the Asians traditionally ate small amounts of it as a condiment.
Once I was done reading the book, I wanted to avoid soy as much as possible. At this point I discovered that soy is now in everything as it is now being touted as a health food (!) Soy bean oil has displaced other oils in the production of mayonnaise and salad dressings. Soy proteins are used to fortify many foods. Carageenan in ice cream used to be derived from sources like kelp but now are obtained from soy. Most of the protein shakes used by body builders or health enthusiasts contain soy either exclusively or in part. And as it is sold as a health agent, people can take soy supplements (soy is a common binder in many other unrelated supplements) and in particular, women are encouraged to take soy as a hormone replacement therapy because soy contains phytoestrogens (plant based hormones). So if women can take it for hormone replacement therapy, then it has the potential to effect hormones in humans.
our oldest was 12, the younger two were 11... thank God
In economics, there is a marvelous term known as “opportunity cost”.
Simply put, it means if you choose something, you cannot choose something else, because you can only afford one or the other.
In this case, family ‘A’ decides to busily keep their daughter occupied at sports, when she is not in school. Then she is sent to college, where she earns a professional degree. From there, she becomes a successful businesswoman, eventually she marries and she and her husband live to old age.
Family ‘B’, however, let their daughter do what she wants, so she gets pregnant in high school, marrying her boyfriend, and scraping by while they have three more kids. Their kids do much the same, so that when she is in her 40s, she had a dozen grandchildren. She dies of a heart attack at 60.
Of these two, which family has the better reproductive strategy? The answer is ‘B’, because they reproduced. Family ‘A’ died out.
Many Americans, and the American culture, push people to want to be like the ‘A’ family, because it is a “better” way to live. Teen pregnancy is “bad”. Not getting a higher education is “bad”. For women to not have professional careers is “bad”. And always there is the emphasis on having children later and later in life, because there will be better provision for the children.
Importantly, the attraction is not just materialism; but increased “productivity”, which is a worthless thing indeed, as a national goal; and so that couples can pay more taxes, instead of just from one, male breadwinner.
But, as the expression goes, “Every hundred years—all new people”, so by then those who pushed for these things will be gone, and leaving no offspring, they and their ideas, and ideals, will be forgotten.
and chicken and milk.. what will those hormones do to boys? Will they be more feminine ? notice how many men and boys now have breast buds
Perhaps, but rice has been consumed in this country at various times since its founding and I have heard of no ill effects for caucasians or blacks in eating rice. Eating soy products to excess certainly does!
Rice and beans supply a complete protein complex for those who don’t like to eat meat, without which vegans would almost assuredly perish(not that I’m vegan). It’s the only vegetable combination that will supply the total protein complex needed by humans...other veggie combo’s won’t cut it(unless a piece of meat or fish or an egg is consumed occaisionally).
I agree 100%
studies have been done to show that milk from rsBT cows had no more hormones in the non-rsBT cows.
http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/09/hormones-in-milk/
“As we investigated this story, I found that most of the peer-reviewed science out there does not support a link between hormones in milk and cancer, nor with early puberty in girls, which is a widely circulated concern. Common sense, my wife tells me should prevail. “How could artificial hormones possibly be good for a growing child?” she asks the way only a mom can ask.
Often times, I am left without a response. “But, the science...” I say in vain. But, she’s already off to the grocery store to buy more.
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No one has menbtioned better prenatal care as a reason that kids are starting puberty early.
Hmm.
BTW, most everybody thinks there's only one allele ~ which is true for maybe 95% of humanity, but that other 5% have HUNDREDS ~
All I can figure out is that since the people who live next to the Big Ice during an ice age glacial advance actually live in the world's dryest and dustiest environment, there's been a selective advantage for anomalous liver functions ~ since the liver can separately handle excess iron to get rid of it from your system.
Oh, and where's the iron coming from? Well, that's the dust their breathing and the animals they're eating. Seals, for instance, have 25 times as much iron in their tissues as the next nearest animal.
Efficient use of milk and milk byproducts requires even more changes than a simple adjustment for lifelong production of lactase ~ there are proteins in cow's milk that are "harmful" without your having some gene changes. Then there are cowborn diseases ~ you need some immunity, and next thing you know you've racked up humdreds of gene changes just so you and your tribe can drink milk, eat cheese and enjoy yoghurt!
The Chinese have managed to do that with rice.
I don't know about soy ~ but there are plenty of people out there who have difficulty with it. Others seem to thrive on it. Just a matter of time until someone determines which gene changes have occurred just so folks can eat soy all the time.
Worth noting, the ordinary garden pea derives from a body of plants that are poisonous or toxic. Through time the bad ones have been winnowed out of the cultivar, and we use only the safe ones. Down in the Sahel they have a variety of pea that grows well in extended droughts. People eat it anyway but it makes them grow blind. An agricultural researcher developed a variety to distribute among the people there so that when the drought gets out of hand they can still have peas to eat. Costs money to distribute. That's where it's at. He's got what they need. They are dirt poor.
A researcher in Finland produced a doctoral dissertation where he argued, and proved, that Type 1 diabetes has a selective advantage in Finland's climate (really cold, most of the time). The result is they have the world's highest incidence of Type 1 diabetes AND the number of folks walking around with at least one allele to produce Type 1 is truly phenomenol. He said this gene adjustment provides people with extra sugar in their blood and other tissues so they can stay warm.
He may well have identified a third type of hereditary diabetes ~ that's the one between Type 1 and Type 2.
Don't believe food advocates who refuse to recognize those differences. One man's meat is another man's poison.
Cool, thanks!
Back in 1938 when she was 9 years old, my mother started menstruation. Its been going on for decades. each girl is different.
If it's such great stuff why are researchers finding that Chinese appear to have been "adapted" to eating it?
It's kind of like living on nothing but meat. Some humans can do it. They all descend from people who lived at or near the Arctic for thousands of years. If you had genes that demanded vegetables you would have died off and left no descendants.
My wife's first concern about my health was raised way back when we were dating and she said "I don't believe I've ever met anyone before who could eat only meat" ~ which was the first time I'd noticed that I could live on just meat. Veggies made me sick!
But the majority of modern American mothers are also delaying marriage (if they even bother to get married) and having fewer children compared to their mothers and grandmothers. And the kids they do have tend to be more obese and out-of-shape compared to earlier generations of kids. Fast food diets further compound the problem.
The rising generation is destined to become obese, tattooed, childless chunk monkeys squatting on electric carts and tethered to supplemental oxygen bottles, cruising the aisles in WalMart, grubbing for Cheetos and and CheezWhiz.
Wait a minute. We're already there.
A balanced diet is still the best way to ensure optimum health. Good balances of veggies and meats, grains, starches with execise in the mix will pretty much meet the vast majorities of folks needs. Rice has been consumed in this country almost since its founding, it is a starch source but also a good protein source. My kids love it and its great with chicken and all kinds of dishes. Now an interesting study would be to guage health effects of brown rice verses the white ‘enriched” type that has been polished of its “hulls”. Plus the Chinese you mention didn’t just live on rice but often mix all “sorts” of plants and animals with their rice.(stir fried rat with chinese vegetables and rice anyone?)
Only the wealthy and powerful were allowed to eat meat. (SEE: Bandits of the Marsh).
Only the wealthy and powerful were allowed to eat meat. (SEE: Bandits of the Marsh).
Since I filled a shelf in my food closet with lingoberry jam I've felt much better ~ knowing it's there just in case.
A balanced diet for Eskimos is the old standby beluga whale, a garnish of fermented seal blubber and, to top it all off, some toasted seaweed.
You other guys are free to eat what you want of course, but don't come crying to us when the Big Ice comes back.
We told you!
Humans adapt after a few generations to dietary availabilities. I suspect some of the adjustments come during childhood, no matter what racial make up. If a caucasian child has only blubber and sea weed to eat as a child, I’ll wager the child’s digestive systems tune for it. It would be harder for adults to tune for sudden dietary changes, of course!
Now looking at your diet, you get rich omega 3 laden fats and vitamin d(seals eating fish) from the seal, range fed low fat high grade protein from the reindeer, and vitamins c and a from the lingonberries. Top off some of that sea weed you are talking about and you get iron and some important trace elements including iodine. Sounds like you have a pretty balanced diet already. Throw in a few fish and some other odds and ends and you are all set. Now could I digest it as opposed to you, I don’t know...but I’ll bet I’d lose weight trying!
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