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Was the ZOT a benevolent force in Latin America?

Posted on 07/06/2010 11:06:53 AM PDT by DrBombbay

For decades the CIA has undertaken operations all over the world to support right wing regimes. In Latin America and elsewhere there tho it seems thier efforts often led to massive amounts of death of civilians with the US govt often looking the other way. Would you folks say the ends justified the means regarding the many regimes the CIA propped up and supported in the name of 'anticommunism'? I dont beleive the idea of imperialism was at play,but its clear the safety of US interests (political and economic) were clearly the goal in these operations


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1 posted on 07/06/2010 11:06:55 AM PDT by DrBombbay
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To: DrBombbay
Life is never fair, and perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not.
--Oscar Wilde

2 posted on 07/06/2010 11:11:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DrBombbay

Nicaragua, for one, is better off thanks to the Contras and CIA support for them. They have free elections, and are free to make stupid choices like electing ex-Sandinista Ortega as Prez.


3 posted on 07/06/2010 11:14:55 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: DrBombbay

Nicaragua, for one, is better off thanks to the Contras and CIA support for them. They have free elections, and are free to make stupid choices like electing ex-Sandinista Ortega as Prez.


4 posted on 07/06/2010 11:15:04 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: DrBombbay

The ZOT sure helped the people of Nicaragua ZOT the Sandinista Commies. Chile too!


5 posted on 07/06/2010 11:16:42 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bama calls us "Tea Baggers", so we can call Kagan a "Carpet Muncher," right?)
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To: DrBombbay

Back to the drawing boards, troll. Tell your friend Hugo Chavez to frig himself.


6 posted on 07/06/2010 11:17:07 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: DrBombbay
Did anti communist activities cause more deaths in Central and South America than Stalin's and Mao's collectives, gulags, reeducation, work camps or "mental hospitals" caused? (You're shootin' for about a hundred million, here.)

Didn't think so.

7 posted on 07/06/2010 11:18:30 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: DrBombbay

Truly the ZOT is a benevolent force. Well, maybe not benevolent, but a force to be sure!


8 posted on 07/06/2010 11:19:12 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: DrBombbay

I’m too slow. Dang it, missed the ZOT of the ZOT thread!


9 posted on 07/06/2010 11:19:34 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: DrBombbay

10 posted on 07/06/2010 11:21:03 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: DrBombbay

As opposed to letting Communist Russia make member states of much of South America?


11 posted on 07/06/2010 11:21:34 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: DrBombbay

Too stupid for words.

Have the Commies been a “benevolent force” ANYWHERE?

I’ll take “our b@st@rds” over their b@st@rds any day, warts and all.


12 posted on 07/06/2010 11:22:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: DrBombbay
Not quite my area of expertise, but I will make a few observations:

The US said that it was in Vietnam to promote freedom and hold back communism. We said that if we left, there would be a bloodbath. The Leftists at home succeeded in crippling our war effort. We came home -- and there was a bloodbath.

The US helped the Shah of Iran. We said that we were helping to westernize an important country in the midst of Islamic repression. The Leftists at home scared people with tales of SAVAK, the Shah's bloodthirsty secret police. We abandoned the Shah, and Khomeini came to power. And for 30 years, Iran has been a major exporter of terrorism.

Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc. All quite similar.

The 20th century was a bloody century. The Communists were involved. We were involved. Who really bears responsibility for the killing? I don't think it's the CIA.

On balance, I say that we have been trying to do the right thing, we've tried to promote freedom, that Leftists at home have succeeded in tying our hands, and that Communists abroad have shed a lot of blood -- and often convinced people that it's all our fault.

13 posted on 07/06/2010 11:23:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: DrBombbay

Aw, man—I never get to have ANY fun anymore!!!


14 posted on 07/06/2010 11:23:31 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: DrBombbay

What???
I miss this by 12 minutes?
Dang!
IATZ!


15 posted on 07/06/2010 11:23:47 AM PDT by gigster
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To: DrBombbay

Yes, the CIA did more good than bad in Latin America. Though its often lambasted efforts, we now see free nations and economic growth in the entire region.

More interestingly, throughout the Cold War and up to today, Latin America has been primarily the preserve of the CIA and Special Operations and they have used economy of force to achieve national objectives.

Compare this with other areas which are controlled by conventional military force; South East Asia, Iraq, Post-2002 Afghanistan, where you have seen some dismal failures.


16 posted on 07/06/2010 11:24:17 AM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: DrBombbay

Question in my college history course: “What is the final, ultimate power in Central America”?

I argued for the Catholic Church. Wrong. Professor said the correct answer was: “The USMC.”

Back the, one could say that the force (air force) is backing you to a Central American.

Now they know it is a case of “The Farce is behind you.” Probably hiding behind Larry Sinclair. Or whatever he is doing behind Sinclair.


17 posted on 07/06/2010 11:26:34 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: DrBombbay
Don't mess with the kitties doctor..


18 posted on 07/06/2010 11:27:28 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: DrBombbay
Please Help Keep The Lights On At FR
19 posted on 07/06/2010 11:29:33 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: Dallas59

;)


20 posted on 07/06/2010 11:30:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: DrBombbay
Were there Benevolent Zots? ...

El Generalissimo says, Si! ...

21 posted on 07/06/2010 11:33:37 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: DrBombbay; 50mm; darkwing104

Zot alert! Zottee in since 2006


22 posted on 07/06/2010 11:42:06 AM PDT by GQuagmire ( We are no longer Massholes)
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To: DrBombbay

“This account has been banned or suspended.”

I’m so sick of not being able to say IBTZ.


23 posted on 07/06/2010 12:03:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:drbombbay/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


24 posted on 07/06/2010 12:08:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I saw the thread when originally posted but chose to leave the vanity alone.


25 posted on 07/06/2010 12:10:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: DrBombbay
Bye-bye

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26 posted on 07/06/2010 12:13:41 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
We abandoned the Shah, and Khomeini came to power. And for 30 years, Iran has been a major exporter of terrorism.

Let me rephrase that one for you: Ass-hat Jimmy Carter abandoned the Shah, and Khomeini came to power. And for 30 years, Iran has been a major exporter of terrorism.

There. Fixed it.

27 posted on 07/06/2010 1:07:15 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: DrBombbay; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
My, my, my! What were you thinking?

To be added or removed from the VK list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

28 posted on 07/06/2010 2:37:15 PM PDT by 50mm (Topop, poptop, flipflop, whatever!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I’m too slow. Dang it, missed the ZOT of the ZOT thread!

Hey, don't get mad. I saw it earlier and looked at the sign-up date (2006). I figured it was a play on words and passed it by. Dummy me. Sheesh.

29 posted on 07/06/2010 2:41:56 PM PDT by bcsco (First there was Slick Willie. Now there's "Oil Slick" Barry...)
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To: DrBombbay
When the ZOT is for your own good it is in fact benevolent. Of course the one receiving the ZOT rarely sees it that way. But that is because they are busy becoming troll flavored cat food.

30 posted on 07/06/2010 2:42:06 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I saw the thread when originally posted but chose to leave the vanity alone.

So did I. I looked at the sign-up date and was fooled. Didn't really read the thread thinking it a play on words...

31 posted on 07/06/2010 2:43:37 PM PDT by bcsco (First there was Slick Willie. Now there's "Oil Slick" Barry...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Kudos! Excellent response to a common lib scenario question.


32 posted on 07/06/2010 2:52:34 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: DrBombbay

I guess you dont have a diploma hanging on your wall from the School of the Americas?


33 posted on 07/06/2010 3:04:25 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 50mm
IATZ
34 posted on 07/06/2010 3:28:41 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Dallas59

Who plays the ‘man’ and who plays the ‘woman’ in this pic? :O


35 posted on 07/06/2010 3:33:58 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: 50mm; darkwing104; DrBombbay

ZOT!


36 posted on 07/06/2010 3:34:29 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Q: What does a community organizer do? A: Organize, not lead. -FReeper Mike Darancette)
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To: DrBombbay
ZOT!

PWND


37 posted on 07/06/2010 4:05:32 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dallas59

38 posted on 07/06/2010 4:18:24 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: DrBombbay; 50mm

Dinner time!

39 posted on 07/06/2010 4:30:07 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: DrBombbay
In case you are still watching, George Irbe discussed your point in "Leftists":

The 20th century will be remembered for the totalitarian monsters of various stripes who conceived, planned and executed programs of selective mass extermination of humans. I think that all Leftists, without exception, including the meekest of democratic socialists, have been implicated - knowingly or in consciously cultivated ignorance – as apologists for, or accomplices and abettors to the crimes of the totalitarians . . . .

It is a fact that the Left of the western democracies has never condemned and always at least acquiesced to and excused, if not applauded, the atrocities of the totalitarians. It is a favorite tactic of the Left to find moral equivalence in the outrageous actions of totalitarian regimes and the defensive responses to such actions by the western democracies.

In similar fashion, the Left has obstinately refused to acknowledge the guilt of Leftists who have been caught and convicted for spying and other traitorous activities against the democracies. If anything, our Leftists have consistently regarded Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ho-Chi-Minh, Pol Pot, for a while Hitler, and all their minions as being kindred spirits of the same faith. And if anything, these bloody dictators are admired by Leftists to this day for their bold actions. Yes, Hitler also belongs in the suite of Leftist icons . . .

http://pages.interlog.com/~girbe/leftists.html

Democrats once believed supporting a regime which was authoritarian, if there was no alternative, was justified in order to defeat totalitarianism. Those Democrats still around are now Republicans.

40 posted on 07/06/2010 4:40:08 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: bcsco; a fool in paradise
"I saw the thread when originally posted but chose to leave the vanity alone."

So did I. I looked at the sign-up date and was fooled. Didn't really read the thread thinking it a play on words..."

I saw Jim Robinson have to ZOT one back in April which had been registered here sine 1998. The zottee just up and went off over the line into left field. Strangest thing.

41 posted on 07/06/2010 6:00:04 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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42 posted on 07/06/2010 6:03:07 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: DrBombbay

Don’t post much..... ZOTTED for a good reason.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:drbombbay/index?brevity=full;tab=comments


43 posted on 07/06/2010 6:20:55 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: DrBombbay

There have been far, FAR more innocent civilians killed by left-wing communist forces worldwide than by U.S. supported regimes. That is an undisputed fact.

You suffer from typical leftist ignorance. It might benefit you to start thinking for yourself for once and not mindlessly repeating the same old tired, worn out leftist drivel - it just makes you look like an uninformed idiot.


44 posted on 07/07/2010 5:12:38 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Never trust anyone who points their rear end at God while praying.)
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To: Salem

I saw that one as well. I think there was also one like that since...


45 posted on 07/07/2010 6:17:42 AM PDT by bcsco (First there was Slick Willie. Now there's "Oil Slick" Barry...)
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