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The End of the Road?
Wall Street Journal ^ | 07/09/10 | JOHN JURGENSEN

Posted on 07/09/2010 9:23:52 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

The concert business is supposed to be the music industry's one sure thing. But not this summer. The Eagles, Rihanna and Maxwell have canceled tour dates. A wobbling "American Idol" tour has flooded the market with discounted tickets, and the resurrected Lilith Fair tour has called off concerts from Dallas to Salt Lake City. Even teen idols the Jonas Brothers announced this week that they're scrapping some shows. * * * With the continued evaporation of recorded music sales, acts at all levels of the talent pool must lean heavily on their live-performance earnings. That's forcing artists to tour more, and to keep their ticket prices high, despite the weak economy. This has created a glut of seats.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: ageofwoodstock; americanidol; billgraham; concerts; hasbeens; idiocracy; jonasbrothers; lilithfair; livenation; maxwell; musicindustry; oldiesacts; rihanna; shedconcerts; theeagles; ticketmaster

1 posted on 07/09/2010 9:23:53 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

I’m an amateur musician. I’ve been in 8 bands and love watching local acts, both for entertainment and “evaluation and learning”. That said, I don’t do Ticketmaster. The last “big” act I saw was Genesis around 1980.


2 posted on 07/09/2010 9:31:39 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: AtlasStalled

Maybe lack of talent has something to do with declining sales.


3 posted on 07/09/2010 9:31:47 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: RobRoy

Correction: John Carlson gave me free Beach Boy tickets last year when I called in to his KVI show. But they were free so it doesn’t count. :)


4 posted on 07/09/2010 9:32:42 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: AtlasStalled
The Eagles, Rihanna and Maxwell have canceled tour dates. A wobbling "American Idol" tour has flooded the market with discounted tickets, and the resurrected Lilith Fair tour has called off concerts from Dallas to Salt Lake City. Even teen idols the Jonas Brothers announced this week that they're scrapping some shows.

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ..... whew .... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ..... whew ....ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha .....

Stop it, you're killin' me

5 posted on 07/09/2010 9:33:26 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: TexasRepublic

I feel old when I say it, but — the pop music that they try to push on the public today is just really bad stuff. In the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s you could find real musicians trying to make real music. Nowadays it’s just manufactured flavor-of-the-month pablum.


6 posted on 07/09/2010 9:35:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: AtlasStalled

Or more like most of these acts are massively overpriced or nobody cares to see live.


7 posted on 07/09/2010 9:35:21 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Nowadays it’s just manufactured flavor-of-the-month pablum.

AKA bubble gum...

8 posted on 07/09/2010 9:36:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (Bull Conner reincarnated as black man "Eric Holder" approves racist "Panther" voter intimidation.)
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To: AtlasStalled
basic economics. The fourth part of every supply/demand/price equation is the intrinisc - value.

It appears concert goers are not seeing the value in the high prices they pay. Prices will have to fall or supply shrink/value improve to match the shrinking demand.

9 posted on 07/09/2010 9:36:48 AM PDT by llevrok (These days, I am a stranger in the country I was born and raised.)
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To: AtlasStalled

I hear a Jackson Brown song in my head ...


10 posted on 07/09/2010 9:38:59 AM PDT by 11th_VA (Brewer for President 2012)
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To: GOPJ
Yeah. And there's always been bubblegum. Look at the Monkees -- they were manufactured bubblegum too, so this isn't totally new. But at the same time the Monkees were singing tin pan alley songs, you had Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix and many others who were really trying to do something with their music.

Now, the Jonas Brothers are about the best we can do. Monkees with less talent.

11 posted on 07/09/2010 9:39:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

You gotta look somewhere other than top-40 radio and the Billboard charts. Really good stuff is being played on college radio stations - if you can get past the inane sophomoric chatter between the songs. I’m in my 40’s but am still amazed by how much good stuff is still being created, and a lot of it is being played on college stations.


12 posted on 07/09/2010 9:42:34 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: AtlasStalled
Packaging different acts together isn't always working. The Eagles, one of history's most successful rock bands, who grossed $42 million touring last year, sought to expand its audience this summer by tapping into country music, recruiting Keith Urban and the Dixie Chicks to open eight stadium shows. But the bill didn't entice country fans en masse, and Eagles fans had already had many opportunities to see the band, which has been touring to promote its most recent album, "Long Road Out of Eden," since its release in 2007. Shows at Philadelphia's Citizens Bank Park, and a stadium gig in Hershey, Pa., were jettisoned. An Eagles spokesman says the group recently sold out arenas without the country acts.

So to shorten a long paragraph, ditch the Dixie Chicks and you can sell your tickets.

13 posted on 07/09/2010 9:53:19 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: AtlasStalled
You always have to ask if going to a concert is worth it. For the price of one ticket you can buy a stack of CDs (or iTunes/MP3 equivalent) and have the music long after your ears would have stopped ringing from the concert. There are a few groups I go to see when they pass through town, but usually the tickets are in the $10-$20 range in a small club.
14 posted on 07/09/2010 9:53:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: AtlasStalled
The concert business is supposed to be the music industry's one sure thing. But not this summer. The Eagles, Rihanna and Maxwell have canceled tour dates.

Elvis and Donny Osmond aren't selling out concert tours either these days.

Maybe The Eagles, Rihanna, and Maxwell should find a Branson or Vegas stage somewhere.

How long are they going to milk past hits?

15 posted on 07/09/2010 9:54:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: AtlasStalled; Revolting cat!; 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; ...
Even teen idols the Jonas Brothers announced this week

Their fan base is growing up and no longer need to convince daddy to fork over $80 to go see their poster idols prance onstage.

16 posted on 07/09/2010 9:56:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There has always been flavor of the month pablum and bubblegum.

They tried to call rock and roll a fad and to fabricate a bunch of clean cut poster idols, brill building ATTEMPTS at rock and roll (they had to pull to get their songs on radio as “hits” but they are pre-fab), etc.

Do I need to bring up radio hits like “How Much Is That Doggie In The Window”?

The industry WANTS “flavor of the month” because without pwnership by the industry hype machine, those bands don’t “exist”. There is no “there”. Here today, forgotten tomorrow.

At least in the days before EVERYTHING from concert promotion to ticket sales to venue ownership to broadcast radio, broadcast tv, and newspaper and magazine, a “local talent” could make it up the climb for success. Now if you are published by anyone but your major label, they don’t want you because they don’t OWN you. Elvis and Beatles and Nirvana wouldn’t get out of the gate today. And the wave of music that got on airwaves in their wake is likewise being held back.

The same Pravda Media that insists their political stances are “correct” hold the reigns on music.

There were bands that were shut out years ago too. The Velvet Underground were denied radio airplay and a push from MGM yet they are the first “modern” rock band and responsible for the development of everyone from Bowie to the avant garde stance on rock and roll at CBGB to the independent label sounds of the 1980s.

A band can survive without the hype, but it is hard on the band members.

There were numerous attempts to block these monopoly mergers but they never happened. Big Media owns our government.


17 posted on 07/09/2010 10:08:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: AtlasStalled
The top 100 tours in North America show gross ticket-sales revenue of $965.5 million, down 17% from a year earlier.

Only made a billion dollars on tickets, with Livenation-Tickemaster owning ticket sales (and handling fees), promotion, a cut of merch sales, and venue leases.

BOO frickin hoo.

18 posted on 07/09/2010 10:15:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: RobRoy

At least you were right to acknowlege you were only seeing ONE real Beach Boy in that concert.


19 posted on 07/09/2010 10:16:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Revolting cat!
This summer, everyone seems to be on the road. Classic-rock fans could have paid $95 for two tickets for a recent Chicago and Doobie Brothers double bill at Boston's Bank of America Pavilion. But they also had the choice of Meat Loaf, Cheap Trick, Bad Company or Heart. All had gigs scheduled there in the month of July.

It's like the 70s never ended.


20 posted on 07/09/2010 10:18:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: AtlasStalled
Meanwhile Jones Hall in Houston (where the Symphony plays) has been selling out massively attended concerts from the likes of Tom Waits, Morrissey, and Neil Young (solo performance). These shows sell out within minutes.

And yet none of those artists can get anything they recorded in the past 20 years (if anything at all) played on radio.

21 posted on 07/09/2010 10:21:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Are Americans finally waking up to the fact that the ‘stars’ be it, music, movies, t.v., hollywood, media and congress, and sports, do absolutely nothing meaningful for their lives?

I hope so.


22 posted on 07/09/2010 10:22:03 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: AtlasStalled
But considering how many young fans acquire and listen to music, the music seems to have less sticking power. For instance, 70% of the music obtained by 13-to-24-year-olds isn't paid for; instead, it's pulled from peer-to-peer networks, or ripped and copied from friends, according to the NPD Group. "They get so much free content, a lot of it they don't really value," says NPD entertainment analyst Russ Crupnick

And people who listen to dance music aren't so impressed to see someone sing (or lip synch) to their club hit either. What's the point?

23 posted on 07/09/2010 10:23:55 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Freddd
Are Americans finally waking up to the fact that the ‘stars’ be it, music, movies, t.v., hollywood, media and congress, and sports, do absolutely nothing meaningful for their lives?

Not likely with the amount of hype that basketball player's "announcement" yesterday drew and continues to draw today. LEAD story. With the Injustice Department letting black supremacists intimidate voters in presidential elections.

But then sports are good for journalism. It's like a storm "tune in tomorrow for...". Keeps you tuning in to keep up with the saga.

24 posted on 07/09/2010 10:26:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: AtlasStalled
“I’m an amateur musician. I’ve been in 8 bands and love watching local acts, both for entertainment and “evaluation and learning”. That said, I don’t do Ticketmaster. The last “big” act I saw was Genesis around 1980.”

I'm in the same boat as you. I am going to see grand funk saturday at our county fair. it's free save the cost of admisson to the fair.

25 posted on 07/09/2010 10:27:21 AM PDT by Iron head mike (The government will soon make criminals of us all.)
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To: AtlasStalled

I’d rather listen to a local indie group play something new then pay beau coup dollars for some 70’s group rehashing their glory days of yore.

If memories were all I had I’d rather drive a truck.—Ricky Nelson


26 posted on 07/09/2010 10:27:27 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: a fool in paradise

LOL

One need only to look at the band “Poco” to see your point.

THanks for the post.


27 posted on 07/09/2010 10:33:08 AM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: KarlInOhio
"You always have to ask if going to a concert is worth it. For the price of one ticket you can buy a stack of CDs (or iTunes/MP3 equivalent) and have the music long after your ears would have stopped ringing from the concert. There are a few groups I go to see when they pass through town, but usually the tickets are in the $10-$20 range in a small club."

A few years back we took the family to see Blue Man Group, 25 bucks a ticket and parking was included.

Worth every penny! One of the Best Live Concerts I've ever seen and I've seen all the big acts (like the WHO and McCartney, Eagles, Elton John, Billy Joel, AC/DC Genesis, and the list goes on and on...)

I would love to go to a Concert that a good new band is putting on but I refuse to pay these astronomically high prices these bands ask for now.

Its beyond insulting... (but in my view so is the price of a movie ticket, especially when I can wait and buy a used DVD of the movie for less than price of one ticket)

28 posted on 07/09/2010 10:33:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I take personal offense at the slander of the Monkees. Some of their songs hold up far better than any of those other guys you were putting on pedestals. “Take the last Train to Clarksville” was a really good song and talked about a soldier being deployed to Vietnam. Only those people who knew what Clarksville was got the song.
29 posted on 07/09/2010 10:42:14 AM PDT by wbarmy (I decided to be a sheepdog when I saw what happens to sheep.)
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To: wbarmy
I actually like the Monkees. I like a lot of bubblegum pop from the 1960's. I think the bubblegum pop of today is not as good as the stuff from yesterday.

But my comments aren't really about the bubblegum. I'm saying that the Big Companies used to have somewhat serious acts that they pushed and promoted and wanted to do well. But all of that has dried up now. You can go Indie, and you can tune into college radio -- but the "Major Acts" of today are totally vapid.

The Allman Brothers sang a ferociously bluesy "Tied to the Whipping Post" and people loved it.
Today, music gets about as serious as "Girl You Know It's True".

30 posted on 07/09/2010 10:51:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: AtlasStalled
To score a pair of tickets to see singer-songwriter John Mayer in Cincinnati on July 27, Beth Collins of Radcliff, Ky., spent $172, including about $30 in service fees, for the best two seats available on Ticketmaster at the time, in section 700, adjacent to the rear lawn at the Riverbend Music Center. Ms. Collins, a 27-year-old homemaker whose husband works in a UPS warehouse, borrowed $75 from a local loan service to help pay for the seats; with interest, she paid the service about $100.

yuk yuk yuk! So what is involved in the service fee anyway?

31 posted on 07/09/2010 11:06:52 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response)
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To: ASOC

Poco! What a terrific band! Though I know I suffered loss of hearing by seeing them at the Fillmore East, about eight rows from the stage. Nothing is as loud as an amplified pedal steel guitar.


32 posted on 07/09/2010 11:11:43 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Welcome to the Second American Revolution)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Today, music gets about as serious as "Girl You Know It's True".

And the Industry gave a GRAMMY to the guys who danced in the video and lip synched in concert as "Milli Vanilli"

Then again they gave grammies to Al Gore, Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Franken, Jesse Jackson...

33 posted on 07/09/2010 11:16:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

The “service” fee is Ticketmaster’s added scalping fee for tickets they sell, tickets they promote, for venues they own civic leases on.

They will even charge you a service fee to print out tickets using your own printer and ink.

And those scalping er service fees go up as ticket price goes up for the same show. And you are charged the fee PER ticket, regardless of how little additional “handling” is done.


34 posted on 07/09/2010 11:18:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Based on that woman’s sob story to pay for s***ty seats, Ticketmasterlivenation should also go into the payday loan bidness and make even mo’money mo’money mo’money.


35 posted on 07/09/2010 11:19:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: KarlInOhio

I paid the princely sum of $13 to see Jimi. The sad fact is that, despite the fact that I am infinitely more flush now than I was then, there are extraordinarily few acts that would compel me to part with that $13 today...


36 posted on 07/09/2010 11:29:14 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: JoeA

Ah, the FIklmore

The Fugs...another band you just had to love

Slum Goddess from the lower East side....


37 posted on 07/09/2010 11:43:21 AM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: ClearCase_guy
My father said the same thing only the time frame was the 40’s and 50’s. I said the same to my offspring only it was the 70’s and the 80’s. lol....
38 posted on 07/09/2010 12:19:52 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Sometimes you have to go to dark places to get to the light....)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Most of the teens I know today actually listen to music which is 20 or 30 years old. They tell me that the music on the radio today sucks.
39 posted on 07/09/2010 12:22:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

The biggest music radio station here in Reno is 104.5 (the dot). They play mostly stuff from the late 80’s and 90’s. Very little stuff from this century.

http://www.kdot.com/pages/3320656.php


40 posted on 07/09/2010 3:07:53 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Sometimes you have to go to dark places to get to the light....)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Monkees with less talent.

LOL - great way to turn a phrase...

Here's what I think happened: the baby-boomers blocked out the culture when they were coming of age - what they thought was great - WAS GREAT. And being young - boomers wanted music. That caused the most talented - to move toward the power, prestige and influence of music.

A few decades later, the most talented moved toward computers. Many decades before it was exploration - before that "art"... and on and on. The best and brightest find what's hot - always have. Look at the quality of film makers in the 20's and 30's... a time the industry was being invented - the best were pulled in.

People with the intellects of a Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, or Paul Simon move to where the competition is keenest and the fields wide open. In today's world, I doubt any of them would have gone into music.

41 posted on 07/09/2010 4:14:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (When it's Voter intimidation, the NAACP and the White Citizens Council are brothers under the skin.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Nowadays it’s just manufactured flavor-of-the-month pablum.

I remember when my Grandpa would tell my Dad about Elvis. The good old music of the 30's and 40's in the Big Band/War era was what he thought was good and the rest of it that was from my Dad's era was crappola. It is good to know that the generations are following the familiar pattern of disowning the younger generation's music.

42 posted on 07/09/2010 4:26:24 PM PDT by Sawdring
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