Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ship buried in 18th century unearthed at WTC site
Democrat Herald (Albany) ^

Posted on 07/14/2010 8:19:59 PM PDT by Lorianne

Workers excavating at the World Trade Center site have unearthed the 32-foot-long hull of a ship likely buried in the 18th century.

Archeologists say the vessel probably was used along with other debris to fill in land to extend lower Manhattan into the Hudson River.

Archeologists Molly McDonald and A. Michael Pappalardo were at the site of the Sept. 11 attacks on Tuesday morning when workers uncovered the artifacts. They call the find significant but say more study is needed to determine the age of the ship.

The two archeologists work for AKRF, a firm hired to document artifacts discovered at the site. They found a 100-pound boat anchor in the same area on Wednesday, but they're not sure if it belongs to the ship.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: aechaeology; anchor; godsgravesglyphs; groundzero; newyork; ship; sunkenship; wtc

1 posted on 07/14/2010 8:20:03 PM PDT by Lorianne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Pong


2 posted on 07/14/2010 8:20:50 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

Historical site, no mosque.


3 posted on 07/14/2010 8:21:04 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne
Does that mean the mosque can be stopped?
4 posted on 07/14/2010 8:23:36 PM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


5 posted on 07/14/2010 8:23:48 PM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

Cool... 18th century? Would love to find out more about it.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 8:24:04 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pharmboy

Ping!


7 posted on 07/14/2010 8:24:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Ramius

I remember hearing that when they excavated the site to build the first WTC at the site, they found the hull of another old ship then too (late 60’s or 1970).


8 posted on 07/14/2010 8:29:04 PM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

When the new mosques are finished and blasting infidels from loudspeakers, there will still be the 9-11 hole for them to be thanful for.

argh


9 posted on 07/14/2010 8:29:15 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

Thirty-two feet is not a ship... And in the 17th century “ship” was a type of rigging (three masted, square sails).


10 posted on 07/14/2010 8:31:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wastedyears

Maybe they will find some Freemason tools and a shield or two of the Knights from the Crusades, on the site chosen for the Mosque.


11 posted on 07/14/2010 8:31:53 PM PDT by pennboricua
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: wastedyears

Historical site, no mosque.


If they ever build a mosque there, I will take a trip there to use the restroom like I’ve never used the restroom in my life.

Also, the place should be annointed with pork grease.


12 posted on 07/14/2010 8:35:24 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Palter


13 posted on 07/14/2010 8:37:25 PM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: passionfruit

The name of that ship was the Tyger.

It was originally discovered when a subway was being excavated in the same area in the early twentieth century.

The rudder had been on display in a case inside the World Trade Center, but was probably destroyed with the WTC on 911.


14 posted on 07/14/2010 8:41:53 PM PDT by Age of Reason
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

Did NYC not keep any kind of record on using ships to fill that area?


15 posted on 07/14/2010 8:46:42 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: passionfruit
So you're saying that the men who built the WTC knew that the ground on which they were about to erect two 114 story buildings was landfill?!! WTF? In San Francisco, in the Loma Prieta quake of 1989, the only part of town where buildings collapsed was the Marina district, which was built on landfill.

Maybe this is why the towers fell.

16 posted on 07/14/2010 8:47:19 PM PDT by giotto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: giotto

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Financial District of SF where the skyscrapers are are also built on landfill.


17 posted on 07/14/2010 8:56:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: giotto

Oh Please


18 posted on 07/14/2010 8:57:17 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: giotto

“So you’re saying that the men who built the WTC knew that the ground on which they were about to erect two 114 story buildings was landfill?!! WTF?”

Ah, but all landfill is not the same. First of all, NYC isn’t known for earthquakes. I think it’s extremely fitting that the twin World Trade Center towers were built upon centuries old artifacts that exemplified our country’s first forays into commerce.

Second, the Marina District was built upon haphazard rubble tossed from the 1906 earthquake without any forethought to its suitability as substructure.

Dollars and donuts.


19 posted on 07/14/2010 8:57:48 PM PDT by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Tigerized
First of all, NYC isn’t known for earthquakes.

True, but being hit by a 767 must be equal to at least a medium size earthquake.

Second, the Marina District was built upon haphazard rubble tossed from the 1906 earthquake without any forethought to its suitability as substructure.

Dollars and donuts.

More like bagels and donuts. You can't compare any kind of landfill to solid bedrock, which is what New York skyscrapers were traditionally built on, as I understand it.

20 posted on 07/14/2010 9:04:15 PM PDT by giotto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: giotto

“True, but being hit by a 767 must be equal to at least a medium size earthquake.”

Again, bagels and donuts as you say.

I lived through both the Northridge earthquake AND the Loma Prieta earthquake. In both areas. Less than 10 miles from the epicenters in both cases. Can I pick the time to move, or what?

A blow above ground cannot be compared to a seismic event, totally different in the yield of destruction. The folks in the WTC towers got the worst of it, BUT it was limited to the buildings directly involved. (Yes, I know about the damage to buildings on the periphery.)


21 posted on 07/14/2010 9:10:52 PM PDT by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

22 posted on 07/14/2010 9:26:19 PM PDT by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: giotto
So you're saying that the men who built the WTC knew that the ground on which they were about to erect two 114 story buildings was landfill?!! Maybe this is why the towers fell.

Well yeah, of course.

I mean, other than the fireball explosions and the top-down collapse floor by floor all the way to the ground...

It was the landfill.

23 posted on 07/14/2010 9:50:28 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: giotto

This is the best pic I could find to illustrate the point I wanted to make re your comment. Focus on the grayed skyline in the background, and not the foreground that is well-lit. This is the NYC skyline...notice that the downtown area (to the left) has many skyscrapers, then there's a fall-off in building height, then the Empire State Building on 34th St., and then more tall buildings in the 40s and 50s.

The skyline height follows the outline of the bedrock and its proximity to the surface...except for the Empire State Building. The reason for this is that for the ESB they had to go deeper and were able to get into bedrock. The landfill for the WTC was jsut a surface phenomenon and pushed the Hudson River back...they went into bedrock for the foundations for those buildings.

24 posted on 07/15/2010 6:45:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Clemenza; Lorianne; Cagey; indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...
Thanks for the ping!, Clemenza, and the post, Lorianne. On another ancient ship/WTC note, the Tyger, Adrean Block's ship of 1613 was likely dug up when they were building the original WTC. Block was the first European to ever spend the night in Manhattan, and explored the waters around the metro area and Long Island, and gave his name to Block Island.

This is the Short edition of the RevWar/Colonial History/General Washington ping list reserved for more esoteric issues and/or those related to the northeast.

25 posted on 07/15/2010 6:56:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: giotto

For the sake of argument, let’s just say that you have a point. However - and a big however at that — these buildings which fell were erected decades upon decades ago.

My point is, we know so much more today than we did half a century ago when it comes to building tall structures. And given the structural collapse of the Twin Towers (top to bottom), how are you connecting this to a failure of the foundation?

I think that many of us aren’t clear about where you see a connection.


26 posted on 07/15/2010 7:04:36 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Pharmboy

Fascinating!


27 posted on 07/15/2010 8:58:34 AM PDT by aculeus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

The secret lies with Charlotte.


28 posted on 07/15/2010 12:21:27 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ramius
Cool... 18th century? Would love to find out more about it.

More details and photos HERE

29 posted on 07/15/2010 5:14:33 PM PDT by Chuckster (Domari nolo!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Lurker; Pontiac; JoeProBono; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 21twelve; 240B; 24Karet; ...

· join list or digest · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post a topic · subscribe ·

 
Gods
Graves
Glyphs
Note: this topic is from 7/14/2010.

Thanks Lurker and Pontiac for the pings, I'd pinged a topic about this before, but since I've found an interesting update, sure, why not? and the other two topics (that I know of): To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
 

·Dogpile · Archaeologica · Mirabilis.ca · LiveScience · Biblical Archaeology Society ·
· Discover · Bronze Age Forum · Science Daily · Science News · Eurekalert · PhysOrg ·
· Nat Geographic · Texas AM Anthro News · Yahoo Anthro & Archaeo · Google ·
· Archaeology · The Archaeology Channel · Excerpt, or Link only? · cgk's list of ping lists ·
· History topic · history keyword · archaeology keyword · paleontology keyword ·
· Science topic · science keyword · Books/Literature topic · pages keyword · ·


30 posted on 08/15/2010 2:36:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Awesome!

Why not? Since the WTC/Mosque is in hot debate these days, I think we should halt any other building on Manhattan due to historical artifacts.

Attorneys? Anyone? Weigh in?


31 posted on 08/15/2010 2:54:21 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: boycott
...Also, the place should be annointed with pork grease.

I've been dying this for months. Did anyone own a pig farm here? If not, we should annoint this property with the things that make America great: baby back ribs; a rasher of bacon every morning; filet mignon with a bacon overlay; chitlins; potato soup with bacon; potatoes cooked in bacon grease; potato pancakes cooked in bacon grease....And how much lard will the area of the proposed site hold....?

Geometry students?

32 posted on 08/15/2010 3:02:01 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Palter

That looks just like the shoes Jimmy Hoffa was wearing, when he disappeared!

Please do not ask me how I know what he was wearing; I hate being to lie in public...unless I'm paid by the word ;-)

33 posted on 08/15/2010 3:33:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam; A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: boycott

As my wife suggested, use pig blood as a ‘special additive’ in the concrete.


34 posted on 08/15/2010 3:33:29 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam; A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

very cool


35 posted on 08/15/2010 9:09:39 PM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Talisker
They knew that on the upper floors the steel beams were sprayed with an inferior products. So that is why they hit them high!!!
36 posted on 08/16/2010 5:16:39 AM PDT by GregB (The Sarah Palin snowball is rolling downhill get behind her or get rolled over!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson