Posted on 07/16/2010 8:26:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Huh. Well then, I’m eager to discover from what context “I’ll burn the goddamn house up, but blow me first” might have been unfairly ripped.
Second look at Mel Gibson’s sanity?
Forensic audio and video experts examined the recordings for HollywoodLife.com and believe someone tampered with them, editing the audio, removing parts of conversation and piecing together phrases to make the recordings sound real.
“One of the things that you have to know is that nobody at this point can authenticate it’s Mel’s voice — not 100 percent,” Bonnie Fuller, editor of HollywoodLife.com, said on “Good Morning America” today. “There are words that are edited out, there are spaces, there are gaps.”
“I believe these are professionally done. I think she had help,” said forensic audio expert Arlo West. “She clearly was speaking into what we call a large diaphragm microphone. Her voice is very well engineered. She sounds great.”
She really does. Here’s the latest tape from Radar; it occurred to me after listening to the first one a few days ago that her voice sounded unusually crisp, even with the mic being on her side of the phone, but maybe it’s a little too crisp. Two issues for the cops who are combing through the tapes in hopes of using them against him, then. First, if they’ve been edited, then they’re obviously not true and correct copies and can’t be admitted. Second and more problematically, California law requires both parties’ consent before a conversation can be recorded. Is Mad Max so mad that he actually agreed to let Grigorieva tape him?
If you missed it in Headlines, this Time mag piece on therapists’ reaction to audio of the calls is grimly fascinating. Most of them aren’t surprised, but one worries that this degree of rage is “dangerous” and “not typical” and another says, “I’ll bet every penny I’ve ever made that he was abusive in all his previous relationships.” For what it’s worth, according to Mel’s ex, she’d lose that bet. Exit question: Is this pushback about the tapes being doctored really just Mel’s way of planting a tiny enough seed of doubt in the public’s mind to save his career? E.g., “Honey, I don’t want to see the new Mel Gibson movie. Didn’t you hear those tapes?” “But baby — he says the tapes were doctored.”
I sure hope it is a fake. Either that or they discover Mel was on drugs that she gave him...or SOMEthing. I won’t support the guy if the tapes are real, but I REALLY want to believe that’s not Mel.
This scenario will be interesting to see played out.
While I cannot condone anything Gibson said on the tapes, I’m wondering if the statements made by HER as on the tape were the actual statements she made. She’s rather cool and detached while someone is screaming at her on the phone.
Personally, I would have hung up the first moment he raised his voice and let fly with the expletives and told him further communication was to be made by email or through an intermediary. But there are what now - 8 tapes? There’s more here than meets the eye.
oddly enough my wife is somewhat sympathetic to Gibson through all this
I hate to say it, but when I heard these, they sounded really weird...her voice DID sound like it was in a studio and his was too disjointed, even for being stoned...I personally don’t believe they are authentic...not saying our Boy doesn’t have a screw loose, but that doesn’t make him automatically guilty of this.
having heard “Mel” going off and her speaking replies....we couldn’t stop laughing imagining her reading a script while filing her nails.
and how did these conversations go public ?
I did notice that in the leaked recordings I’ve heard, you never hear Mel and Oksana speaking at the same time. Almost always during a telephone conversation, there are points where both parties speak at the same time.
If on the tapes we hear Mel say the phrases:
“Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you’ll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin’ to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they’ll never take... OUR FREEDOM! “
We will know for sure the tapes are doctored!
So is this wife. Just sounds fake to me, I think she’s grubbing.
I agree.However,getting involved with a Russian goldigger
was going to end well.
“oddly enough my wife is somewhat sympathetic to Gibson through all this”
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I agree with her. I believe this woman is over playing the rhetoric to gain more money. People say things when they’re fired up...its none of our business. Its no one’s business unless there is actual violence, then its the business of the police.
They will never paint a bad picture of Mel Gibson in my eyes. I’m just sick & tired of seeing how a woman will go to any lengths to get money out of a man. Mel said she refused to sign a pre-nup...so what other choice does she have to get more money? Otherwise she could have walked a long time ago...
IMHO.
So is mine. The first words out of her mouth when she heard the tape was "It's a setup" and "Mel needs help."
How did the "conversations" come to be so carefully recorded? Just how were they made public? I'm not apologizing for Gibson if he actually said that stuff in that context but there's something very fishy about all this.
It boils down to just how conniving this little lady might be.
We all know Mel is quick to anger, all she has to do is push the easy buttons. She easily could have been taping him for months.
She refused to marry him. They have/had an agreement mediated through 2 retired superior court judges. She signed it. And reneged.
The story is that the creators of South Park met Mel Gibson at a party some years back and concluded he was crazy. They would go on to do a show with his character in it. This was awhile back. Here is a clip:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154469
Looks like they had him figured out.
Well, there are definitely conflicting reports out there...
I don’t believe that any of these tapes, of a private conversation(s), should have ever been made public, period.
Certainly, release them to a lawyer and law enforcement, but not to the public where they are used to prosecute him in the media.
I am in no way defending what ‘seems’ to be his wild, very likely criminal, reckless, threatening and foolish behavior, but quite frankly, this is none of the public’s or media’s business until it’s been fairly adjudicated in a court of law.
I could be wrong, but I think there used to be a belief in the country that one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... and it seems to me that there were also some rules of evidence and other such stuff. But heck, maybe I’m just too old fashion in this world of personal destruction.... at all cost.
Those that commit domestic violence should be dealt with swiftly and harshly, but by the courts, not the damn media.
If this guy ASSAULTED her, regardless of the circumstances, he’s nothing but a lowlife. NO WOMAN or man, should tolerate such behavior, because all too often the victim ends up dead or lives an unhappy life of physical and mental pain and abuse. They become slaves kept in a prison.
Having said all of that, and while I love his artistic abilities, I hope he, as well as his wife see justice, but that becomes difficult, if even possible, when the world has already judged you.
Just saying.....
My computer won’t let me do AV stuff so all I’ve heard was from the local talk radio show while I was working, but from what I heard it sounded like he was upset because she dresses like a sleaze and lied to him about having a boob job.
Almost like he thought she would be racy to get him and then turn into somebody not interested in seducing other women’s husbands - that she would turn into somebody more wholesome and faithful, like the wife who he dumped to get this piece of glitter.
I don’t think Mel is the first guy to trash a good woman in favor of a trinket who then trashes him. The fact that his wife is still speaking well of him will hopefully heap burning coals of shame on him and bring him to repentance.
This gal didn’t sound to me like a woman who was fearful, but then again, I only heard a small snippet.
The fact that she would tape phone conversations and then put them into the public does seem like a setup - not like somebody who is fearful or who wants her man to get help.
So my reaction just from the small snippet I heard was about the same as your wife’s.
My wife isn’t taking it personally with Gibson either at this point. She thinks he’s coming under attack and he’s failing to deal with it; guess it’s sort of that she feels sorry for him and wants him to survive.
That they had a mediated agreement isn’t conflicted. That she reneged isn’t either.
Maybe Mel’s rant were outtakes from a movie script rehearsal and she dubbed in her side....
And my point is, is that she could have walked a long time ago if she didn’t like the situation...
Exactly. How would they find a court to try any case if there had to be a trial.
I think that’s the part I react to. It’s sort of the reverse of “kiss and tell” which just seems classless to me. The way this woman is operating is not the way an abused woman behaves. The psychology of it is all wrong.
radaronline has pics of her broken teeth, right after he supposedly hit her. Weird that there was no soft tissue damage at all. It looks like her veneers were pried off. I’m withholding judgement for now.
Without the money?! But this is so much more fun. For her. Btw, now the tart is claiming that he slugged the baby. I think she's getting a little out of hand.
Simply being deranged isn’t enough to keep me from seeing his movies. I only ban commie actors who want to enslave my family & I.
Very possible to do with all of the moves and interview he has done to piece together whatever you wanted him to say. I thought listening to the lastest tapes that something did not sound right almost like what used to happen in school with older reel film tapes when you had to repair one.
I’m in complete agreement with you here! Now she’s grabbing at straws...
Mel has a billion dollars. He can pay someone to analyze them.
I won’t be losing any sleep over this.
It’s all business $$.
Gibson may have been bad, he may have been a real jerk, but he has also been had.
Thar’s money in them there hills.
A judge put a restraining order on those tapes when she let slip in court that SHE had them. They're released to a gossip site and she has no idea how. Honest. /s
Yup. Let’s hope Gibson keeps his perspective as he has talked about being suicidal. His best friend and agent of 32 years, Lamata (sp), just died the first part of July. Hope Gibson has an anchor (friend).
She turned them over to the sheriffs dept yesterday, on CD. They are analyzing them.
How did he hit her in the mouth and there not be any damage to her lips and gums? One tooth is perfectly smoothed off. I don’t see how someone can smack you in the mouth and the tooth breaks off PERFECTLY in half.
Those lips show no damage. She must have needed new veneers before their trip to Russia. Gotta look perfect.
Btw, she claims those pics were taken the next day.
IMHO, he shouldn’t have ever been taped in the first place without his knowledge. I think we can all agree we’ve said things we didn’t necessarily mean in anger.
She doesn’t look like someone in “urgent need of medical care” because she had a concussion and teeth knocked out. If she was hit that hard while she was holding the baby I would think she would have fallen.
I agree that her voice sounds unusually clear, and detached. I can understand Mel being extremely angry, though, not only at her, but mostly at himself for being so blindingly STOOPID for leaving his wife and family for her.
The way the teeth look, he damaged veneers or bonding.
Her lips, particularly the bottom one, is obviously swollen.
Do people really doubt he hit her in the face, he pretty much admits it in the tapes.
How do you people, I don’t know if you either a man or a woman, continue to defend a man who violently hits a woman.
That was the whole point, though, to get the public on HER side against him.
It's interesting that his former wife has testified that in their 28 year marriage, he was NEVER abusive to her, or the kids.
Yeah. It appears they’ve been “plumped”. I think Jolies are real. Someone else said that the tart looks like octomom.
Hmmm. Wonder if Mel's lawyer can compel testimony, or pictures from her Orthodontist, if he had applied veneers, to see what her teeth looked like, before the repairs.
Hope Gibson has an anchor (friend).
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He had one until he left her for a Russian tart.
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