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Troubled Mel 'leaving the States' after selling his New York mansion at cut price
Daily Mail ^ | 07/18/2010

Posted on 07/18/2010 7:12:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: nmh

And when he knocked her teeth out, she probably deserved that too.


51 posted on 07/18/2010 9:00:23 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: mike-zed
If only he had drugged and sodomized a 13 yr old, he’d be the toast of Hollywood.

Zing! LOL!!

52 posted on 07/18/2010 9:01:55 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: 2001convSVT

Yeah, Mad Max, a favorite of mine.
He is a great actor.

He just fell into the clutches of a money hungry, fame seeking whore.

He should have just asked for that chakra thingy instead.
Hollyweird would love him.


53 posted on 07/18/2010 9:03:27 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Old Student

He can, as soon as he figures out the source of his misery. I’ll leave it at that. :^)


54 posted on 07/18/2010 9:04:36 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Albion Wilde

I thought Mel Gisbon’s Soliloqy of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice in his portrayal of a deformed man in the film -— THE MAN WITHOUT A FACE was quite impressive.

Watch this 30 second clip (Starting from 0:37) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTA8pGl_SXM&feature=related


55 posted on 07/18/2010 9:06:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: NavyCanDo

I think Mel may have a chemical imbalance like a manic or hypomanic disorder. I hope he sees someone and gets help for this.


56 posted on 07/18/2010 9:08:45 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: chae; nmh
And when he knocked her teeth out, she probably deserved that too.

Did he? The damage is not consistent with being punched in the mouth. There's no bloody lip damage. However, she lost a veneer and chipped one which IS consistent with simply eating an apple. You can't eat raw carrots either.

Before and after

57 posted on 07/18/2010 9:09:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: mike-zed

“Poor Mel.

If only he had drugged and sodomized a 13 yr old, he’d be the toast of Hollywood.”

VERY well said!


58 posted on 07/18/2010 9:10:42 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: TribalPrincess2U

At this age, Mel Gibson should ditch all the explosion and car chases and focus on REAL ACTING.

For instance, I thought Mel Gisbon’s Soliloqy of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice in his portrayal of a deformed man in the film -— THE MAN WITHOUT A FACE was quite impressive.

Watch this 45 second clip (Starting from 0:37) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTA8pGl_SXM&feature=related


59 posted on 07/18/2010 9:10:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I wish him the best, Hollywood is an evil place that corrupts even the most pious. Get as far away from it as you can.


60 posted on 07/18/2010 9:12:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dudoight
I think Mel may have a chemical imbalance like a manic or hypomanic disorder.

I believe one Dutch painting genius had a similar problem... in his case, he cut off his own ear in a fit of rage...
61 posted on 07/18/2010 9:12:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: chae; nmh
And when he knocked her teeth out, she probably deserved that too.

Oooh! Except her own dentist denied any damage was done nor was there any evidence of her having been hit.

62 posted on 07/18/2010 9:13:01 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I believe that Mel’s statement was that he didn’t knock out her teeth, but that he knocked out a couple of veneers. Last I heard, her dentist was willing to testify that it was not veneers, but 2 teeth that were knocked out.


63 posted on 07/18/2010 9:14:16 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: raybbr

Really? I heard that the dentist was willing to testify otherwise.


64 posted on 07/18/2010 9:15:49 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: chae

The dentist submitted the pic I posted. He has also made statements that there was NO lip damage. Mel has made no statements.


65 posted on 07/18/2010 9:16:17 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: chae
The story's here....

If what you heard is true my first question would be how much money they're paying him to "change his mind".

66 posted on 07/18/2010 9:17:50 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: chae

Damn, even the dentist was there. That’s a tough one.


67 posted on 07/18/2010 9:17:56 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: raybbr

Dr. Ross Shelden treated Oksana Grigorieva the day after Mel Gibson supposedly hit her — and Dr. Shelden offered to let her stay in his home!

Dr. Shelden will be a witness in the case if criminal charges end up being filed against Mel and Oksana’s lawyers asked the dentist to write a declaration last month concerning the incident.

He said in the declaration that he saw evidence of “blunt force trauma” in addition to physical damage. He also noted that her veneers, not her teeth, were damaged with one knocked out completely and the other broken in half.


68 posted on 07/18/2010 9:18:18 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: chae; raybbr
Shocking photo emerges of Oksana Grigorieva after alleged attack by ex Mel Gibson

Though there was no swelling or bruising indicating a punch to the mouth, as Grigorieva originally told police,

69 posted on 07/18/2010 9:20:33 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Guenevere
she must be truly selfless & full of mercy.

Maybe despite everything, she still loves him. At least on some level.

70 posted on 07/18/2010 9:20:43 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: DJ MacWoW

Oops, I had misread the article about the dentist, and he daid veneers not teeth, and I misread that as teeth, not veneers. My bad on that. Otherwise, I still think he hit her.


71 posted on 07/18/2010 9:22:55 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: chae; raybbr

The dentists is claiming that she was hit in the temple. The Russian claims she was hit in the mouth. Somebody needs to get their stories straight.


72 posted on 07/18/2010 9:23:45 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Illegitimi non carborundum, Mel.
73 posted on 07/18/2010 9:24:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: chae

Where’s the bloody lip damage? Have you ever seen someone punched in the mouth? It ain’t pretty.


74 posted on 07/18/2010 9:25:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Mel Gibson’s Ex Tired of Seeing Him Painted as ‘Heartless, Abusive Monster’

http://www.popeater.com/2010/07/18/mel-gibson-family/

EXCERPT :

Mel Gibson’s family is backing him 100 percent in the wake of his audio rant fiasco, PEOPLE reports. Their source says Robyn Gibson, Mel’s former wife of nearly 30 years, is particularly upset: “She still values her marriage to Mel and she is sick of the media portraying him as a heartless and abusive monster.”

Though the two split in April 2009 following Gibson’s involvement with now-baby-mama Oksana Grigorieva, Mel and Robyn reportedly speak regularly. The Gibsons have seven children together and they continue to raise them as a team, PEOPLE writes.

“Mel has a good support system in his friends and family,” a friend of the couple tells PEOPLE, adding that Gibson’s children are “absolutely” standing by him. “While they do think he needs help for his anger issues, Mel’s family is supportive of him.”

Robyn made a declaration to an LA judge last week to assist her ex in a custody battle with Oksana. “Mel never engaged in any physical abuse of any kind toward me before, during or after our marriage,” Robyn wrote, according to TMZ’s report. “Mel was a wonderful and loving father.”

PEOPLE’s source says, “Mel didn’t ask Robyn for the affidavit. Robyn feels that Mel was and is an amazing dad and she is still very protective of him.” The insider adds that Oksana “pushed Mel over the edge.”


75 posted on 07/18/2010 9:27:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Mel and Robyn during happier days ...

76 posted on 07/18/2010 9:28:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Did you see him in Hamlet? That is the only movie version we will watch.


77 posted on 07/18/2010 9:29:22 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: SeekAndFind

Nice article. The press for the Russian isn’t looking so good lately.


78 posted on 07/18/2010 9:32:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’ve been hit on the side of the face, hard. It’s really hard for me to remember the exact moment of the hit. I remember standing there right after and wondering if I was going to start laughing or crying, but I know I got hit on the left side of my face. All I’m saying is that I believe Mel hit her.


79 posted on 07/18/2010 9:32:51 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: chae
All I’m saying is that I believe Mel hit her.

The evidence doesn't bear that out but it is your prerogative to believe her. The damage done to her veneers is the same damage one would get from biting a raw carrot.

80 posted on 07/18/2010 9:35:22 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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I might suggest that this is “rock bottom.”

Before I hit it, I thought I could work out all of my problems by myself. I thought “I can handle all of this.” I was wrong.

I was not a drinker or drug addict, but my life was in ruins anyway.

I had a wonderful wife and family that put up with my crap before, and helped me find my way back.

Seven years later and I am the happiest and most centered person I have ever been.

God is wonderful and he sends the right people into your path. You just cannot see it sometimes.

I am praying and hoping that he finds his peace. He is gifted and needs to make himself right.


81 posted on 07/18/2010 9:39:27 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I lived in VT for four years. That was enough.)
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To: spectre
Mel needs to sit down and have a chat with Fr. Corapi.

It sounds like Mel's demons have taken him to a place of true darkness.

Others have been there and worked their way out of it, so can Mel.

82 posted on 07/18/2010 9:39:45 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Or jumping over a fence at the Arizona Center and landing on your face. Just sayin’


83 posted on 07/18/2010 9:40:48 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Dudoight

It seems chemical.

Ethyl Alcohol.


84 posted on 07/18/2010 9:42:02 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I lived in VT for four years. That was enough.)
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To: raybbr

I had heard that somepeople think the tapes were altered, do you have any more info on that or a link?


85 posted on 07/18/2010 9:43:11 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: mware

That is it. He needs to leave his present environment and make a true evaluation. He has the ability that many do not. I hope he understands.


86 posted on 07/18/2010 9:44:06 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: nmh

I am so with you in your analysis... How many tapes did this woman take of him? I’ve heard that some experts feel that these tapes are doctored as well. She seems way too calm in her responses and much louder than him.

This whole thing was planned definitely for his money. How many times has this woman been married? Each time she shoots higher and she thought she had it with Mel.. I think she is a terrible person!


87 posted on 07/18/2010 9:50:18 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Albion Wilde

I wasn’t implying any lack of character by the fact Gibson lost his Australian accent. He probably wanted to sound more American which is understandable since he was born one.


88 posted on 07/18/2010 9:51:47 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: chae; Yo-Yo
Oh my: Mel Gibson tapes might have been doctored

"Yo-Yo" had a good comment on that thread: "I did notice that in the leaked recordings I’ve heard, you never hear Mel and Oksana speaking at the same time. Almost always during a telephone conversation, there are points where both parties speak at the same time."

I have not listened to the tapes although if what "Yo-Yo" says is true that would raise a lot of questions.

89 posted on 07/18/2010 9:52:47 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: eyedigress
Or jumping over a fence at the Arizona Center and landing on your face. Just sayin’

Yep. That man has beefy arms. Had he punched, twice, as she claims, it would be evident. This looks like she fell on her face or ate the wrong thing.

90 posted on 07/18/2010 9:56:01 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Albion Wilde

By the way, Gibson went to AU when he was 12, returning to the US as an adult.


91 posted on 07/18/2010 9:57:34 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: raybbr

Thanks for the link. If it’s true I’ll change my opinion on what I think happened. Can we at least agree that if the tapes are real, he’s a horrible person and if they’re faked, she’s a liar?


92 posted on 07/18/2010 9:58:24 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: Old Student
You have noticed that the so-called tapes have apparently been altered? Possibly even faked entirely?

That makes me think that if Mel was drunk when he called her, he may have no idea what he actually did say to her.

So, he may have only said some things and not other things. And, if he was drunk, he may not be able to distinguish between what he did and did not say. What if most of it is not his voice? Mel's voice is so garbled even he may not recognize his own voice, or that someone else may have injected another voice.

What a mess.

93 posted on 07/18/2010 9:59:04 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Albion Wilde

In agreement with everything you wrote, and with what Mr Levin says, as well. I can imagine that a man might well have a complete breakdown from the realization that he has lost his wife of many years, the respect of his children, the respect of millions of people, his career, and half a billion dollars, for a golddigging whore who set him up. In essence he has been (I don’t want to say “victim,” because he is quite guilty in this) used by a semi-pro con artist who exploited his own very weak character.

I dislike excusing alcoholics for the damage they do on grounds that “it’s an illness, they can’t help it.” But I pray that Mel finds help for his alcoholism and rage, and comes back to his faith.


94 posted on 07/18/2010 10:05:26 AM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: Albion Wilde
I adopted what I call "television announcer" as my dialect, and stayed with it as long as I was working professionally.

I have a friend who travels alot for his job. He said that in Beijing at Tianamen (sp) Square, young Chinese students look for true Americans just to walk around with so they can practice their English. It seems that American "television announcer" dialect is able to land them good jobs after they graduate.

95 posted on 07/18/2010 10:05:37 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: luvbach1
By the way, Gibson went to AU when he was 12, returning to the US as an adult.

Thanks for the clarification on that.

96 posted on 07/18/2010 10:07:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: ottbmare
In agreement. Alcoholics lie to everyone; to themselves especially. Yet, his -- what shall I call it -- fascination with the Christ appears sincere, if incompletely realized in his character. Given his ardor, I join you in truly hoping this is the "whack in the head with a two-by-four" he may have needed to get to the bottom of his rage and addictions -- and make a total surrender to the only One Who can save him.
97 posted on 07/18/2010 10:12:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: raybbr

How did they fake the anger in his voice?


98 posted on 07/18/2010 10:14:53 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: Slyfox
in Beijing at Tianamen (sp) Square, young Chinese students look for true Americans just to walk around with so they can practice their English. It seems that American "television announcer" dialect is able to land them good jobs after they graduate.

Fascinating! Language facility and dialect really do "telegraph" a lot about a person in a first impression. From there on out, they have to have the solid resumé and more executable goods to deliver than glibness. But it's a foot in the door, as important as understated wardrobe, good grooming and personal hygiene.

99 posted on 07/18/2010 10:16:38 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: whence911; raybbr; Grammy
How did they fake the anger in his voice?

Post51

Mr G is one of those studio gurus....and you have no idea what he can do with the toys he has. Just last week he manufactured a word for a jazz song he was mixing. The singer left the word out all together, and he has it being sung on the final product. Even he, as an old pro, was impressed.

There is software that will allow you to tune, edit, (time or words) or even replace one voice with another. I know one producer who sings a part, then replaces his voice with that of the “singer” (who isn’t too good). That way the song is in tune, in rhythm, and with “heart”. Its the only way they got the album done. (and no, I will not tell you who it is)

With the amount of material out there with Mel’s voice on it, this tape could be made up out of whole cloth if someone wanted to.

Post 72

Mr G could put those tapes together here, without ever having met the man or spoken to him. Just getting hold of his movies would be all he needs, to get his voice. Analyzing them won’t tell you much, unless the guy was really sloppy about it. If you don’t have the original files (nobody uses tapes any more... all done in computers)it is hard to tell where the editing has been done.

100 posted on 07/18/2010 10:21:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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