Posted on 07/21/2010 10:57:35 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
What will you do when push comes to shove? Will you accept the marxist slavery or will you fight!?
No matter how much they (liberals) try to spin this for being Bush's fault (according to Alan Colmes today on O'Reilly), this is the "community organizer's (obambi)" mess to fix. He has done nothing.
Hell, I was a "community organizer" and I knew from day 3 what to do. That would be accept all Nation offers to help with engineering and cleanup; mobilize the National Guard; mobilize FEMA; and not kill more jobs with a stupid moratorium of stopping ALL deep water drilling because of ONE blowout out of thousands while killing thousands of American jobs.
I hate this man and everything he stands for. This man/child marxist, along with his fellow travelers reid/pelosi will be the death of our Republic. Rome fell from within due to similar thinking and give aways - think gladiator entertainment. The United Kingdom has fallen from within due to political correctness and stupid weapons control.
Many other world nations have fallen because of their own populace wanting stuff. Surprisingly, France and Germany is getting fed up with their socialist encroachment on their culture. Good for them.
I never thought I would see the day that the leader of the Free World would actually BOW to foreign potentates. Every time I see those photos, I get sick at heart.
So, you think he has the cojones to send in the military if there was a large scale uprising? He's a Chicago punk. And like all punks, when you stand up to them, they back down to save their own political skin.
I am an 11 year Vet and an owner/operator of 3 companies. I've been a political street activist as far back as 1997, but I have recently realized that our only Constitutional salvation is:
STATES' RIGHTS! Think about what that! Nullification is the way back. What is DC going to do with such a peaceful rebellion that just says NO? Attack the Individual States? Won't happen. Lawsuits? Probably. But the Constitutional Amendments are clear. Even if the USSC goes against us, what authority do they have to enforce their decisions if "We The People" decide their decisions are null to "original intent"? Civil War II? Ain't gonna happen. RWII, possibly.
Are you going to allow the greatest experiment in self-determination to die without a fight? Well, I'm not. I will give my fortune (such as it is), my sacred honor, and my life. As long as my family is secure, I will DIE for my beliefs. Will you?
Ps. We all die. What value do you place on your death is the question I ask. Wanna waste away in some senior death facility hooked up to tubes and semi-conscience? Or would you rather go out fighting? I'm sure the military grunts can tell us how much it hurts, but so does dying of cancer or other painful diseases. Your choice. Time to make a decision...die in bed or die making a difference. It really is coming to that.
Lock and load.
I am going to march on the Capitol —again </sarc>
Choose this day how you will serve; Will you serve unwillingly and at the bidding of others wearing the yoke of socialism or will you hold true to the course of our forefathers’ standing tall and serving freely? As for me I choose to SERVE THE REPUBLIC!
You don't need a Weaatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing - but you can sure the hell shoot one when the time comes.
“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
- Attributed to General George Patton Jr
Socialism will bring incredible misery to the very people who believed Hussein’s Happy Hopey Horse$hit. The misery will bring these people to a new awareness. Lots of them will begin to grasp the benefits of limited government and free market capitalism as their empty bellies begin to growl. Then they will be ready to fight too.
I am looking forward to a confrontation, if it comes to that.
I proudly stand beside you......and all the others who will not become slaves.
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First a quote from Thomas Jefferson, which is seldom represented in its full context. NB— it explicitly calls for the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS.
“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance?
Let them take arms. (Yes, JEFFERSON wrote that)
The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
Now a quote from The Federalist #22 (Hamilton)
“The fabric of American Empire ought to rest on the solid basis of THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE. The streams of national power ought to flow from that pure, original fountain of all legitimate authority.”
Now one from Federalist #53 (Madison)
“The important distinction so well understood in America between a constitution established by the people, and unalterable by the government; and a law established by the government, and alterable by the government, seems to have been little understood and less observed in any other country.”
That’s a big’un ... that the constitution is established and altered by only the people, not the government.
And finally, another from Madison, Federalist #45
“The powers delegated by the ... Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”
Long live States’ rights.
In closing, I present the following thoughts on the definition of tyranny which we fought to overthrow and crafted a government to forever prevent: “ The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of on,e or a few, or many and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” Federalist #48 (Madison)
May God have mercy on us all.
I live in a VERY lefty city....Austin.
1) I’m already ,front and center, with the left while engaging them DAILY over the direction and future of this country.
2) Some of the debates are civil and some are not.
3) Eventually there will be fewer debates and the likely hood of this cold war between the left and conservatives will turn hot.
4) DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the left if this conflict goes hot...
5) When and if it goes hot, remember, the only rule is to live and let the other SOB die for his beliefs.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
I can see a few states breaking off and going their own way. At least I hope so.
You guys are all full of crap. “Lock and load,” “Wolverines”, blah blah blah. None of you are going to do a damned thing, so please shut up about it.
Push came to shove years ago.
Amen!
No socialism for me....Never!
Ditto.
What do you call what we have now?
Will you walk point?
Secession is not something that smolders and slowly builds. No, its more like a lightning bolt that zaps the body politic and awakens the human need for self autonomy, spreading like wildfire. Wait, I think its coming.
Thank you for serving, shipmate. But it's gonna take more than us Sailors to make a difference within our borders. We don't have the combat skills. We need seasoned soldiers and Marines to fight the fight that is coming. And I guarantee, it is coming. Mark these words...
Anchors Away...!
Never underestimate your enemy.
Food for thought: in the first Civil War, the citizens never thought neighbor would take up arms against neighbor, brother against brother. We tend to believe the US military, as individual oath keepers, would not take up arms against “us”. We should not forget our history as a people and a nation. Do not even slightly hope for a hot war between factions.
BTW, the founding fathers wrote extensively about the evil of “factions”.
Off We go into the Wild Blue Yonder...
From the Halls of Montezuma...!
Is that the turning point? Is that the action that will cause patriots to rise up? We've already rolled over for much more tyranny than the founders would. Sending in the military, especially under the guise of protection of the citizens, probably wouldn't phase the average folks and certainly not the average O voter. So then what?
The situation is analogous to many of the gun confiscation threads out there. "I'll return my guns one bullet at a time!". Well, I applaud the sentiment but are you really going to enter into a gunfight with a SWAT team?
Bravado is one thing, sensible disobediance is another. Is there some plan out there to end this not-so-soft tyranny or are we just waiting for something to happen then just winging it?
>> Wanna waste away in some senior death facility
I’ve given this some thought. You can pack quite a bit of C4 inside the legs of a walker. ;-)
“If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scots-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger.”
George Washington at Valley Forge.
Replace the word “British” with Socialist and you have it.
And the Caissons go rolling along...
Probably the wisest words ever spoken by a true American warrior.
So how do we deal with this since the electoral process is defunct? How would Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Patton deal with modern day comms to overcome an enemy? I have no clue. I am a simple ex-aviation sailor. Probably not best to even discuss this.
I dunno, I spose I could sacrifice 20 bucks.
I intend to express my concerns to the Democrat leadership and the White House in the strongest terms.
Semper Paratus (Always Ready)(one for the Coasies too)...!
I have guns ‘n ammo. What do YOU think my choice is??
Screw Obama! And Palin too! I want A Navy Vet in 2012!
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None of you are going to do a damned thing, so please shut up about it.
You are deluded if you think that no one will do anything about "it". Many are those that are giving the peaceful and Constitutional means to correct the situation one last opportunity. If the November elections are stolen, then the last vestiges of liberty are gone.
A quote from the introduction of the novella "Absolved" bears repeating here:
It is they who by their conduct will absolve us of any further obedience to an oppressive regime. And as I point out in 'Absolved', if the law no longer protects us, then they will find to their sorrow it does not protect them either.
Note that our military is displaced, with no ride home. We need a saviour and we have one. Numbers do not gurarantee victory. Prayer and repentance must precede the calvary charge. We can’t make any mistakes, and sure do need our own Charles De Gaul. Where is he?
“Push came to shove years ago”
I’m afraid you’re right.
It kidn of like quitting smoking. Like most smokers, I remember sayin “I’ll quit when they get to $3.00 / pack.”
Then $4.00, then 5.00, etc.
The same mechanism is in play. As long as they do it gradually, most people will tolerate it.
Things really have to get VERY bad in everyday life for people to resort to revolution.
Nope, that would would be ineffective.
Should it come to this, I would think the more effective "fight" would be with the one(s) who sent the SWAT team.
I am NOT looking "forward to a confrontation". I am a simple ex-Sailor and don't want to see blood in the streets in our Country. However, if it comes to saving our Republic and our liberties, I will be "cannon fodder", if it forwards the cause of Constitutional Restoration. I swear on my most sacred Honor. Use me, forget me, move forward. I will run point...wanna live forever? Ha!
Fighting is easier when there’s a definite front. We’re in an asymmetrical war. They’re planning to nibble away at us like a cancer, not confront us directly in face to face, hand to hand combat. When they come for us, one by one. in the middle of the night, how do you prepare for that? Or more to the point, how do we force them out of that game plan?
And then there’s the problem of family, a wife, and children who depend on you, who may not be as prepared for the dire consequences of a “hot” conflict as you are. Sacrifice on a foreign battlefield does not exact so high a price as knowingly putting your entire family at risk of utter ruin.
I am not saying we won’t get there. I’m just saying it’s worthwhile to hope it doesn’t go there. That’s why we’re all sitting pinned beneath that tiny group of men and women in DC. We’re hoping to resolve this through constitutional process. I hope it works, because I’m not looking forward to the alternative. But if it comes, duty before safety.
“We tend to believe the US military, as individual oath keepers, would not take up arms against “us”. “
Yup. I know many here belive that the military would never follow such orders, but I think they’re shitling past the graveyard.
It all depends how it’s presented to them. “Restoring order” perhaps?
They can always trump up some incidents of conservative violence (real or not).
So what do you think the purpose of this website is? Do you think it was established as a hand-holding room where we could all sit around impotently watching the demise of our once great country?
Do you think it's some sort of rubber room, where we can all bounce off the walls, exhausting our mental anxieties?
Or, perhaps it's a meeting place where we can all sagely comment on the destruction of our world, and the burning edifice of our beloved nation, simply marking time until the storm troopers arrive at our doors.
If Free Republic isn't a gathering place for determined patriots to meet and discuss ways to restore our nation, then most of us are in the wrong place. On the other hand, if it is, then perhaps you're in the wrong place.
We're still here.
The artwork sucked, the sentiment is immortal.
Hell to the yeah.
I’ve read all that. I was once Chairman of Veterans for Constitutional Restoration (VetsCoR). While I have forgotten much of the Founding Fathers’ writings since then, I do remember much of their most important writings. Best.
If not this summer, never.
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