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Girl Pop’s Lady Gaga Makeover (commentary on Gaga and feminism in modern music)
NY Times ^ | July 21, 2010 | JON CARAMANICA

Posted on 07/22/2010 1:58:55 PM PDT by a fool in paradise

...No one in recent pop memory has been a greater enemy to the authentic than Lady Gaga... Not long ago she was playing confessional piano music in tiny New York rooms...

Lady Gaga has become successful by adhering to the belief that there’s no inner truth to be advertised, or salvaged: all one can do is invent anew.

It wasn’t that long ago when artifice appeared to be on its last leg. In the mid-to-late-1990s female performers especially were in a confessional place, a movement captured and branded by Lilith Fair...

...About one-third of the original dates have been canceled, reflecting a soft concert market but also shifts in mainstream tastes...

...This new feminism is more about the opportunity to make choices than about any specific choice itself. And it’s freeing, this expansion of musical liberation into spaces visual as well as sonic, instinctual as well as intellectual, performed as well as lived.

By contrast Lilith in its prime — when it was a major summer tour — trafficked in a very specific brand of feminism: organic, direct, unadorned, intimate. There were attempts to expand the festival into a bigger tent, especially in 1998, when Queen Latifah and Missy Elliott were among the performers. But in the main Lilith prized urgent singer-songwriters with readily perceptible left-leaning politics.

The last couple of years have seen the first wave of 1990s nostalgia... But Lilith aesthetics haven’t aged well....

...In many ways it is a bastardization of the Madonna model. From the start of her career Madonna was a savvy pop trickster, using outrageous imagery as a distraction while smuggling ideas about religion and social politics into her music. Most of the Gaga generation, however, is interested in distraction as an end in itself...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: attentionwhore; feminism; ladygaga; lilithfair; lookatme; popmusic

1 posted on 07/22/2010 1:58:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Feminism is apparently defined as a whack-job clown drawing her own kind to witness her goofiness. Come to think of it....


2 posted on 07/22/2010 2:03:59 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: a fool in paradise

“But in the main Lilith prized urgent singer-songwriters with readily perceptible left-leaning politics.”

Buddy of mine used to refer to it as “lesbians with guitars”.

Colonel, USAFR


3 posted on 07/22/2010 2:03:59 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: a fool in paradise

Here’s Lady Gaga before she got famous: http://www.mofopolitics.com/2010/01/22/video-lady-gaga-stefani-germanotta-on-boiling-points-2005/

I thought she was kinda hot actually but then I think like 8 out of 10 non-obese women are hot so I’m not very discerning.


4 posted on 07/22/2010 2:04:43 PM PDT by exist
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To: a fool in paradise

Vulgar, but boring.


5 posted on 07/22/2010 2:05:16 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: a fool in paradise

Lady Gaga is an extravaganza with little point other than the extravaganza. It is entertainment in a pretty pure form, and overwhelming for all of that.

Sure, she abuses every single possible thought, sense, cultural norm, etc. But her POINT is to entertain by overloading your senses with input.

That works. You may not like it if you disconnect some of the components which are purposefully offensive.

But you can’t argue that she fails to entertain.

Think too about the business model you must have in the modern music biz. You cannot make money selling your music; it is all ripped off. So, you have to sell other things, persona, concert tickets, apparel, etc. Music has to be free, and you have to make your money elsewhere, like Paris Hilton; a celebrity who makes money for nothing more than “showing up.”

(Donning flame retardant suit.)


6 posted on 07/22/2010 2:08:04 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Always refer to the Libs' new group as"ONE NATION, UNDER G-D!" That'll drive 'em nuts!)
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To: exist

She should be on Jersey Shore. Not that I ever watched it cause I cancelled TV. She is probably from Staten Island like the rest of the cast.


7 posted on 07/22/2010 2:08:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Seems like her fanbase pretty much consists of gay men.


8 posted on 07/22/2010 2:09:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: La Lydia

she is the sort of ‘entertainer’ the kids like these days I guess.


9 posted on 07/22/2010 2:10:24 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223

I kind of like the “Paparazzi” song, I hate the “I want your disease” song, but mostly I can’t stand to see or to watch her. She is unattractive and, as I said, vulgar. I think her talent, such as it is, is for self-promotion not performance.


10 posted on 07/22/2010 2:13:58 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Uncle Miltie

I think she’s a 12-month flame...which will burn out shortly. If you notice...all the songs kinda run with the same slant. There’s not much creativity over the past six months.


11 posted on 07/22/2010 2:16:02 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: a fool in paradise

She is a one trick pony.


12 posted on 07/22/2010 2:18:52 PM PDT by kingcoal
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To: dfwgator

Shines some light on this case then...

How Lady Gaga Helped Leak 150,000 Classified State Department Cables
Gawker ^ | 07/10/2010 | Adrian Chen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2550299/posts

“He was able to avoid detection not because he kept a poker face, they said, but apparently because he hummed and lip-synched to Lady Gaga songs to make it appear that he was using the classified computer’s CD player to listen to music.”


13 posted on 07/22/2010 2:20:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: La Lydia

...unattractive
...vulgar.
...talent, such as it is, is for self-promotion not performance.


A recap of the first 1.5 years of the Obama White House


14 posted on 07/22/2010 2:22:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: La Lydia

She’s no Madonna, I give credit where it’s due, Madonna has a lot of talent, as far as being a writer and performer, Lady Gaga is just swimming in her wake.


15 posted on 07/22/2010 2:22:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: a fool in paradise

16 posted on 07/22/2010 2:22:42 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: a fool in paradise

It’s Post-Modernism... a catch-all label for amateurish crap. Can’t paint? Call it “Post-Modern Art”. Can’t sculpt. Ditto. Can’t sing or play an instrument and too lazy to learn how? Yep, you got it... Post-Modern “Art”.


17 posted on 07/22/2010 2:28:10 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: jagusafr

Actually, it’s “angry lesbians (is there any other kind?) with guitars.”


18 posted on 07/22/2010 2:30:18 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: a fool in paradise
An ugly no talent individual.
19 posted on 07/22/2010 2:59:59 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: a fool in paradise

Gag ‘ah?


20 posted on 07/22/2010 3:10:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: a fool in paradise

Gaga is sure no Povi.


21 posted on 07/22/2010 3:15:50 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’m a 39 year old guy and had never previously heard of a lady gaga. Don’t care about the dirt but she has a great beat.


22 posted on 07/22/2010 3:17:35 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: All

She needs a chin implant.


23 posted on 07/22/2010 3:18:46 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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A few little monsters around here.


24 posted on 07/22/2010 3:22:35 PM PDT by Neets
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To: exist
There are times when she is heavily made-up and costumed that she doesn't look unattractive. I believe that her still shots are heavily photoshopped. Still, she has done a lot to improve her looks since her brunette days.

Unfortunately, she's a terrible role model for her fans.

25 posted on 07/22/2010 3:24:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The country is going down the tubes. This is the biggest waste of time you can post.


26 posted on 07/22/2010 3:26:42 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: a fool in paradise

Ga Ga is a great singer/song writer and yes she is outrageous to get noticed, so what?Listen to her unplugged type stuff like Lady GaGa Poker Face Acoustic - BBC Radio 1 Live (HQ) AND she has talent but you don’t have to like it.


27 posted on 07/22/2010 3:35:35 PM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: a fool in paradise
It wasn’t that long ago when artifice appeared to be on its last leg. In the mid-to-late-1990s female performers especially were in a confessional place, a movement captured and branded by Lilith Fair...

Alanis Morissette was the queen of that mid 90's ethos barfing chick rock movement. She landed there because re-invented her act after failing to make it as a bubble gum popper. She's no poster child for authenticity. Pop is style over substance by definition. There are boat loads of super talented female vocalists who are serious about their craft. The Lady GaGas of the world don't lessen the real talent thats out their. You just have to take some time to find it.

28 posted on 07/22/2010 3:36:27 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: a fool in paradise

I have resisted finding out who Lady Gaga is, although I gather she is some sort of pop singer who dresses in outlandish costumes. Is there any reason I need to know more?


29 posted on 07/22/2010 3:54:17 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Seruzawa
It’s Post-Modernism... a catch-all label for amateurish crap. Can’t paint? Call it “Post-Modern Art”. Can’t sculpt. Ditto. Can’t sing or play an instrument and too lazy to learn how? Yep, you got it... Post-Modern “Art”.

Perfect description.

30 posted on 07/22/2010 6:57:33 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: kingcoal

“She is a one trick pony”

Hardly. The Fame her first album 4 hits. She made history in the fact she is the first new artist with four hits in a debut album. I believe either The Fame or The Fame Monster made Diamond.

Personally, I think she is great. Not for kids though.


31 posted on 07/23/2010 5:50:24 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: Neets

Yes indeed. I am one.


32 posted on 07/23/2010 5:52:09 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: jagusafr
Buddy of mine used to refer to it as “lesbians with guitars”.

I called them "Angst Muffins".

33 posted on 07/23/2010 5:55:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: exist
Here’s Lady Gaga before she got famous:

She looks like a teenaged mall rat in those pics.

34 posted on 07/23/2010 6:00:58 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: trisham

Funny I always thought she was way better looking in her brunette days.


35 posted on 07/23/2010 6:31:28 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde

That’s interesting, coming from someone whose last name is “blonde”. :)


36 posted on 07/23/2010 7:54:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: waxer1

Yeah but the wacky clothes and shoes is going to get real old real quick.


37 posted on 07/23/2010 7:58:19 AM PDT by kingcoal
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To: kingcoal

Yeah, she will evolve as an artist. Quite frankly I can’t wait to see what she is going to do next.


38 posted on 07/23/2010 9:42:06 PM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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