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Ten Reasons to Dump Windows and Use Linux
PC World ^ | Friday, July 23, 2010 | Ken Hess

Posted on 07/24/2010 2:24:29 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Fantasywriter

If you’re able to do what you want to do, there’s no reason to mess with Xnux.


21 posted on 07/24/2010 2:59:50 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Thank you. I can put out some very nice looking docs/mss, which is what really matters to me. The advice of someone who knows more about techie stuff than me is very helpful—thanks again.


22 posted on 07/24/2010 3:04:51 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Willie Green
If you've attempted an upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, you know what pain is.

I don't remember any trouble. It took maybe an hour total, with perhaps five minutes of attention necessary.

23 posted on 07/24/2010 3:11:28 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Moonman62

Right there, you’ve hit upon one of the best reasons (IMO) to use FreeBSD over Linux. The entire FreeBSD project is managed and run more professionally than Linux. Add to this that when you’re writing your own s/w (as I am still doing from time to time) the Linux s/w base has a very draconian license that is rather hostile to for-profit efforts.

FreeBSD is very friendly to those who want to use it to make a profit.

Add in that I know BSD better than POSIX API’s, and for me there is very little to recommend Linux.


24 posted on 07/24/2010 3:15:01 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Magic Fingers

Most people haven’t, that is why Linuxland is spending its time concocting lists as to why you supposedly want to use it.

I recently fond my stash of Linux disks fro a couple years back. Everything from Puppy, DSL, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Mini Knoppix, Xubuntu, Mint, Zen Walk, Xandros, and more!

When it worked, it was ok at best. I still had to waste time in forums for the littlest stuff.

Windows 7 has been rock solid since the builds, and XP is more than enough for my older hardware.

Linux simple has no hook other than some imaginary aura of security invincibility.


25 posted on 07/24/2010 3:18:52 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (Iran doesnt have a 2nd admendment. Ya see how that turned out?)
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To: VanDeKoik

Sorry for the typos:

fond = found
fro = from


26 posted on 07/24/2010 3:21:02 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (Iran doesnt have a 2nd admendment. Ya see how that turned out?)
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To: Fantasywriter
I use XP as a word processor in which to write fiction. Should I consider LINUX, and if so, what would be my biggest hurdles?

The main reason you should be concerned about keeping your operating system up to date is for security purposes. (preventing viruses and/or hacker access to personal data from the internet, etc.)

As long as Microsoft continues support for XP, and you keep your system up to date, use antivirus software, etc, etc, etc, you should be OK.

However, on April 8, 2014, all Windows XP support, including security updates and security-related hotfixes, will be terminated. After that, your computer will become more vulnerable. So rather than buy a brand new computer, that would be when you would really HAVE to consider Linux.

Here is a short article about Disadvantages and advantages of Linux over Windows

The biggest hurdle that you would face is if you are addicted to some special Windows program that you absolutely had to have and cannot adapt to a linux equivalent. (In your case, this probably isn't a problem.)
The other "hurdle" is that you might have some odd/unusual computer hardware configuration (network or video adapter cards, some oddball printers or scanners, etc) that's not compatible with linux. But if you have fairly common "name brand" hardware, this shouldn't be a problem either.

Of course, since you don't have an immediate necessity for linux, I would suggest that you review another thread that I recently posted: 5 ways to use bootable Linux live discs
If you have the simple skills to follow instruction how to download a linux distribution file, and use it to make a "Live CD", then it should be easy for you to reboot your computer using that Live CD without changing the Windows XP installation on your hard drive!!!

That would be a VERY EASY way to try linux first, just to see if you like it!!!
And if you don't like it, then you can simply remove the CD and reboot your computer from your Windows hard drive!!!

27 posted on 07/24/2010 3:37:28 PM PDT by Willie Green (Save Money: Build High-Speed Rail & Maglev and help permanently ground Air Force One!!!)
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To: Willie Green
If you've attempted an upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, you know what pain is.

Yeah, some mouse clicks and some typing was a huge pain! What the hell are they talking about?

28 posted on 07/24/2010 3:37:41 PM PDT by OCC
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To: wendy1946
You need to keep one windows machine around until you die for apps which need it, that’s it.

Roger that. I have Windows 7, now just for iTunes and my TomTom's software. I boot it maybe once a month. Otherwise I've been using Linux (various distros) as my primary OS for 5+ years now. If and when these run under Wine or come out with a native Linux version, I won't need to boot Win 7 at all.

I've pretty well settled on Ubuntu, but I also like Red Hat and Simply Mepis. I will say that Win 7 is not bad. I dual boot this PC and Win 7 boots about as fast as the latest Ubuntu.

29 posted on 07/24/2010 3:37:56 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: NVDave

I’ve been using QNX for embedded systems. Very fast and very hard to break.


30 posted on 07/24/2010 3:50:54 PM PDT by quatro
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To: OCC
If you've attempted an upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, you know what pain is.
Yeah, some mouse clicks and some typing was a huge pain! What the hell are they talking about?

I don't know....
I dumped Windows when MS dropped Win 98 support..
I simply got tired of giving Bill Gates another $100 every time he'd come up a more bloated version of Windows to bog down my hardware.

31 posted on 07/24/2010 3:51:14 PM PDT by Willie Green (Save Money: Build High-Speed Rail & Maglev and help permanently ground Air Force One!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I like all three major players, but I more or less disagreed with the gist of the article.

1. Commercial Support
2. .NET Support
3. Unix Uptimes
4. Security
5. Transferable skills
6. Commodity hardware
7. Linux is free
8. Worldwide community
9. Linux Foundation
10. Regular Updates


First, I would take issue with some of the assertions. Under transferable skills, it is saiud that since Unix skills are transferable to Unix, that is an advantage. That is not a reason to switch, as there are more Windows boxes than Unix and Linux and Mac combined. It would be hard to maintain that the skills are "more" transferable. Also, some differences between versions of Unix can be very important. One company I worked at had improperly done backups off of their HP/Apollo systems (many years ago) in part because the Unix guy had worked with a different flavor of Unix.

The same section stated that once you go to command ine, you never go back, except if you do, there are many options. The original PCs had a command line, it was called DOS< regular users hated it. Many users don't know how to use booleans, switches, masks and pipes to their advantage. The people who do can make up their own mind and will learn nothing from PC Mag.

Regarding the point about crashes. I have no difficulty getting Windows, MacOS and Linux boxes crashing. They just do it at different times.

Now my TOP TEN List why desktop users shouldn't go to Linux:

1. TOO MANY OF THE DRIVERS STINK. TOO MANY OTHERS DON'T EXIST. (This applies more lightly to Windows 7 x64, which forced me to retire my trusty Paperport Strobe Pro.) The fact that a lot of hardware is Windows-centric is besides the point.

2. A lot of vertical apps are still designed for Windows. Here I'm thinking of ERPs (e.g. MAS90/200). The many companies that run on these major products cannot move them over on a whim.

3. Install problems. Yes, they still exist. Fedora behaves pretty well, but SUSE and Ubuntu have been finicky in my experience. Finicky is bad.

4. Speed. I have found Linux to actually lag both MacOS and Windows in graphics intensive apps. Whether that is because it TRULY doesn't allow direct calls to the hardware for security (which Windows NT allowed, but I don't know about newer releases) or bad programming for apps or drivers, it doesn't matter.

5. Clunky Apps. Even the big name Linux apps have some serious design issues. The database that comes with OpenOffice is unusable. Almost as bad as WordPerfect Mail for Windows. On the other hand, OpenOffice does not force you to use a "ribbon" that no one asked for.

6. I SHOULDA-ITIS.
A:"I just installed Ubuntu..."
B: "Ubuntu?! You moron, you should have used Mint."
C: "Mint?! Are you some kind of newbie? SuSE or at least Red Hat..."
D: "SuSE? Are you some kind of Microsoft street-walker?!" A: (to himself) "What did I do?"

There is always the lurking feeling that whatever install you choose, you could have done better.

7. NEW LAPTOPS. If you buy a new laptop, some of the proprietary features built-in may be inaccessible if you blow away the Windows on it. If your drivers aren't up to snuff, you are hosed, as the laptop manufaturers aren't gonna help you with anything but the original OS. There are laptops with Linux, but that reduces your selection 99%. It reduces your choce of Linux, as well.

8. CLOUD APPS. I can run "gotomypc" or "logmein.com" on PCs or Macs, accessing them from each other. I don't believe either company allows Linux hosting of such types of things. (Of course, you can still use the Linux box to access a "gotomypc" through the browser. Many popular cloud apps ignore the Linux market.

9. MANUALS. Yeah, Linux's worldwide support base is great. But there is no substitute to being able to download well-laid out and formatted manuals. DOn't get me wrong, when Linux has serious manuals, they are unsurpassed. I am sure that the VI manual is the OED of software manual-dom. But that support is uneven at best. Some man-pages leave much to be desired.

10. Interfacing with consumer electronics. The software that comes with my digital camera will never have a Windows version. WINE is a bad gamble at best.

Now, if I wanted, I could come up with a similar list promoting/denigrating Windows or MacOS. Frankly, I think each serves a useful purpose. And each is an important check and inspirer to the others. I just thought the article didn't make its case all that well.
32 posted on 07/24/2010 3:52:35 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: quatro

QNX is very good, and here is another thought for embedded systems: Qnx’s “Neutrino,” which is a uKernel. A very solid, tightly configurable system. Can’t mention where I’ve used it. Let’s just say that there is an embedded system shipped inside a big metal, rack-mount box that require 230V, three phase power that shovels a whole lot of IP packets hither and yon running on Neutrino.


33 posted on 07/24/2010 4:25:01 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Willie Green

Thanks for your reply, and for the link.


34 posted on 07/24/2010 4:39:11 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: MrPiper

[I loaded puppy on a disk,,, it would not do anything. No thanks.]

I run my webserver on fedora. Solid as a rock, no strange virus infections (and yes I use and try a gajillion spyware and virus protectors on my windows systems. Stuff still gets through).

It’s not for everyone, but it creeps closer and closer, and is already there for servers.


35 posted on 07/24/2010 4:48:59 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: NVDave
Can’t mention where I’ve used it.

Oh yeah ... I betcha told Robin Sage!
36 posted on 07/24/2010 4:57:25 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Paladin2
No reason, just don’t buy any more copies of Windows than you really need.

Does anyone buy Windows?

37 posted on 07/24/2010 5:06:59 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Minn
If you've attempted an upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, you know what pain is.

There may be some benefit to 7 but what do we really do with these things besides FR, email, FR, graphics, FR, memos, FR, and a late night game of solitare between posts on FR?

Why would anyone upgrade from Windows Xp to Window 7?

When I upgrade an operating system it is usually when I buy a new box and even on the last purchase I made sure XP was installed, not 7.

38 posted on 07/24/2010 5:12:23 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Fantasywriter
You're very welcome.

If you are interested, I would highly recommend "Linux Mint" as being exceptionally "user friendly" for folks who are new to linux.

However even then there are what might at first seem a bewildering variety of "desktops" to choose from.

Linux Mint 9 (The most current release) is available in KDE, Gnome, LXDE or Xfce desktop environments
Linux Mint 8 (which I currently use) offers those four, or Fluxbox (which is my preference)
KDE and Gnome are full featured "heavyweight" desktop environments. They have all the bells and whistles, but can bog down older computers.
LXDE and Xfce strive to be fully featured but "lighter"
And Fluxbox would be the lightweight... fewer features, but runs faster and is more suitable for older computers that don't have as much "ooomph". (LOL! That's me!)

But give it a try at your leisure!
That's the nice thing about the Live CDs... you can try different versions on your computer without actually installing them to see which one you like first!

Good luck! Just take your time and don't rush into anything that you're not comfortable with.
(Oh... and to be extra safe... be sure to make a backup copy of any stories you've written. It's almost impossible to "accidently" install linux onto your hard drive from the Live CD because there's plenty of opportunities to cancel without making the change. Nevertheless, I believe in Murphy's Law... so it's always best to be safe with work that you have stored.

39 posted on 07/24/2010 5:31:11 PM PDT by Willie Green (Save Money: Build High-Speed Rail & Maglev and help permanently ground Air Force One!!!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Yea, not likely.

When I went to engineering school, none of the girls (what few we had in engineering in our 7:1 male:female ratio) looked like that. NONE of them. In retrospect, I feel lucky to have attended when the ratio was that good. Two years after I graduated, it was back up to 10:1.

If a girl showed up online or in person who looked like that and told me she was out of MIT in three and a comp sci or EE whiz... I’d say “Yeeeaaaaa riiiiiight. And I’m selling Avon. Can I recommend an eyeliner to you?”

I’ve been at IETF meetings with girls who look that good who were managers in major customer accounts (ie, they were not engineerings or CS people), and the effect on most guys is hilarious. They just vapor-lock. They don’t start babbling and giving away information. They just freeze, like deer in the headlights of a Peterbilt.

When said females would walk down the hallway where geeks and propeller heads were furiously conversing and debating technical points, it was like something out of a movie set. The attractive female would start down a hallway, and conversation would stop about 10 feet ahead of her. Guys would look sideways as she’d approach, then their heads would swivel like a tracking radar dish as she passed.... and then all males involved would look at each other and furiously whisper “Who was *that*?!”

We true card-carrying nerds are a pretty sad lot, really. The so-called “security experts” they’re saying gave away the store... I wanna meet these clowns and see just what type of “experts” they are.


40 posted on 07/24/2010 5:46:31 PM PDT by NVDave
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