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Harley-Davidson Profit Soars
wall street journal ^ | 7/20/10 | ROBERT GUY MATTHEWS

Posted on 07/27/2010 8:18:00 PM PDT by wwcj

Harley-Davidson Inc. said Tuesday it expects the global market for motorcycles to remain challenging this year as more consumers opt for lower-priced used motorcycles instead of new ones.

Chief Executive Officer Keith Wandell said he expects Harley's shipments to be down 5%-10% from 2009, while the preference for used motorcycles and the weaker world economy have pushed year-to-date retail sales down 40% from the company peak in 2006...

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Hobbies; Travel
KEYWORDS: economy; harleydavidson; motorcycles
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hmm..market down..profits soaring...am i missing something?
1 posted on 07/27/2010 8:18:02 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wwcj

Shut down a factory, cut back on the number of dealers to support and eliminated LOTS of unneeded positions. It was really pretty simple.


2 posted on 07/27/2010 8:20:47 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: wwcj

What you’re missing is the idea of creating a macho image based on a bad 1920s design for a long-stroke engine which is 45% adiabatically efficient compared to the normal 98% for Japanese bikes and at 1200 cc’s and seemingly about 10,000 lbs produces about as much power as everybody else’s 350s.


3 posted on 07/27/2010 8:22:20 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: SeaHawkFan

yep, guess you’re right.
would it be a good idea to get into the market of manufacturing motorcycles right now?


4 posted on 07/27/2010 8:23:00 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: SeaHawkFan
They are in talks to move the operations out of Milwaukee-decision will be in a month or so.
5 posted on 07/27/2010 8:24:16 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: wendy1946

what’s your idea of a dream bike?


6 posted on 07/27/2010 8:24:56 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wwcj

I’d guess they laid off all their highest paid employees, outsourced more production to third world countries, sold WAAAAAY more harley-davidson clothing(all made in southeast asian sweatshops via child labor), got into the credit card business, and sued a ton of people for copyright enfringements.


7 posted on 07/27/2010 8:25:30 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: hercuroc

any source on this. i would like to read it.


8 posted on 07/27/2010 8:26:08 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wendy1946

“What you’re missing is the idea of creating a macho image based on a bad 1920s design for a long-stroke engine which is 45% adiabatically efficient compared to the normal 98% for Japanese bikes and at 1200 cc’s and seemingly about 10,000 lbs produces about as much power as everybody else’s 350s.”

And this (Harley) folks is why we keep losing chicks to the metric geeks.

Not everything is about efficiency lady.


9 posted on 07/27/2010 8:27:10 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: wendy1946

Wow are you clueless.


10 posted on 07/27/2010 8:27:13 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Hammerhead

Harleys get better gas mileage than anything else out there of comparable displacement. This dingbat doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.


11 posted on 07/27/2010 8:28:46 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

you’re shattering my respect for the american made power horse. I’ve been looking at the S&S engines out of wisconsin.


12 posted on 07/27/2010 8:28:53 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: mamelukesabre

Yeh, makes me want to trade in Road King Classic on that more efficient Yamaha Boulevard.

metrics are for nerds.


13 posted on 07/27/2010 8:30:33 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: wendy1946

Ah, and such a lovely name. A box of rocks has nothing on you.


14 posted on 07/27/2010 8:30:51 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: wwcj
Market down..profits soaring...am i missing something?

Yes, wake up from your slumber and join the global party of this exploding economy...Oh yeah!!

15 posted on 07/27/2010 8:31:08 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Hammerhead

sold both my Harley’s just over a year ago. oops!


16 posted on 07/27/2010 8:31:59 PM PDT by wwcj
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You can barely walk into a Harley Emporium anymore without dropping a hundred $


17 posted on 07/27/2010 8:32:07 PM PDT by woofie
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To: dragnet2

ain’t happening around my house.


18 posted on 07/27/2010 8:33:48 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wendy1946

What YOU are missing is that HD is only partly about motorcycles. Read their corporate Vision Statement. They’re about creating a lifestyle, enabling individuality, and promoting freedom. And they do it better than anyone in the business.

And no, I’m not a Harley owner.


19 posted on 07/27/2010 8:34:18 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: wwcj
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/business/98820074.html

Harley again warns that production could leave Wisconsin

Harley-Davidson Inc. expects to decide within weeks whether it will keep factories in Wisconsin or move production elsewhere, the company chairman said Tuesday. The decision will depend on the outcome of labor negotiations that begin this week with the United Steelworkers of America and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, chief executive Keith Wandell said in an interview. Harley will negotiate with the unions for a combined contract that takes effect April 1, 2012. The Milwaukee manufacturer of heavyweight motorcycles intends to make decisions about the future of its plants in Menomonee Falls and Tomahawk, so the contract talks must be wrapped up soon. "If we can't come to an agreement, then we are going to have to move the operations," Wandell said. "It is going to take us a little bit of time to build a factory and those kind of things."

an excerpt..check link out for more

20 posted on 07/27/2010 8:35:22 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: hercuroc

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/business/98820074.html


21 posted on 07/27/2010 8:35:49 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: wendy1946

“Beat to shape, shim to fit.
“If it breaks, make it bigger.
“There ain’t no substitute for cubic inches.”

— Harley Davidson


22 posted on 07/27/2010 8:38:18 PM PDT by TheOldLady (We who never served owe EVERYTHING to those who did.)
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To: hercuroc

thanks. will read bits at a time here. didn’t mention anything about brookfield, WI?


23 posted on 07/27/2010 8:38:46 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wwcj

I’d avoid them. they are overpriced and less reliable than other harley engine clones. Unless things have changed. I’ve been out of the loop for 5-8 years. Big dog dumped S&S and switched to something else I forget what.


24 posted on 07/27/2010 8:41:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: wwcj
No-the plants they are talking about are Capitol drive in Milwaukee and the Menominee Falls plant in Wis...

Wisconsin passed some goofy tax law where Harley has to pay taxes to Wisconsin for out of state plants...companies here are drying up.

25 posted on 07/27/2010 8:43:08 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: wwcj
what’s your idea of a dream bike?


26 posted on 07/27/2010 8:44:22 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: bigbob; wendy1946
Read their corporate mission Statement. They’re about creating a lifestyle, enabling individuality, and promoting freedom. And they do it better than anyone in the business.

The only thing missing is Unicorn Farts. Does anyone wonder how we ended up with Obama.

27 posted on 07/27/2010 8:46:34 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: mamelukesabre

you shouls go to 3:40 of this video and listen to the claims S&S makes regarding Harley Davidson engines and their own.
they have an engine wrecking machine, and say that Harley’s last about two hours, theirs is reaching 200 hrs. That’s 100 times longer. Pretty impressive don’t you think.
Your’s is the first negative I have ever heard on S&S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdifEhGOtRE&feature=relatedat


28 posted on 07/27/2010 8:48:03 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wwcj

Every post here is missing the point.

Harley’s are made by unionists.

The good news is that Hussein has not mandated *electric* bikes like the announcement that Obama Motors has the Chevrolet Dolt coming out with a hefty tax subsidized by us in November.

It’s only $41,000 for a fancy golf cart. And taxpayers will be paying the federal subsidy whatever it is, heard on local radio some $8,000 bucks.


29 posted on 07/27/2010 8:49:07 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: wendy1946

heard good things about them. never had one


30 posted on 07/27/2010 8:51:57 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wendy1946

I would very much like to have a conversation on this subject with you, but you are so clueless, it wouldn’t be worth the effort for either of us.

Unlike the metric punks, when I’m on one of my 2 Harley’s, I know that I look good.

I have traveled all over our country on a Harley and loved every mile. The last trip took a month and was over 9,000 wonderful miles.

Have fun on your wingding...... I know that I will on my Rolling Thunder.


31 posted on 07/27/2010 8:52:32 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: quantim

union..yep


32 posted on 07/27/2010 8:53:56 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wendy1946

ROFLMAO....@ that thing.


33 posted on 07/27/2010 8:56:18 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: Gator113

i started with a sporty, and i am over two hundred at six feet tall. the bike shop owner where i take them to the dyno said me and my bike looked like a pissant carrying a crouton.

couple months later i got a ‘97 heritage. called her ruby. man big bikes are the bomb.


34 posted on 07/27/2010 8:57:40 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: SeaHawkFan

Shut down a factory, cut back on the number of dealers to support and eliminated LOTS of unneeded positions. It was really pretty simple.
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Don’t forget dumping the Brunel line.


35 posted on 07/27/2010 8:58:51 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance.)
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To: wwcj

know anything about the revtech or baker products. esp. drivetrain, tranny?


36 posted on 07/27/2010 8:59:42 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: wwcj

I’d dig out the old harley magazines and look it up for ya but I donated my entire life’s collection last summer to the US soldiers in the middle east.


37 posted on 07/27/2010 9:00:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Gator113

oops. post was to you.

know anything about the revtech or baker products. esp. drivetrain, tranny?

you should check out that video above.


38 posted on 07/27/2010 9:01:35 PM PDT by wwcj
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It’s an aircooled Vtwin...large displacement, high torque, low RPM design...just like a harley!

LOL


39 posted on 07/27/2010 9:02:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

very nice. sure will enjoy your generosity. don’t you think that harley will be keen on their own brand. just like S&S i’m sure. i want to build a bike, chopper. not sure about going with a harley engine.


40 posted on 07/27/2010 9:04:24 PM PDT by wwcj
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revtech!

That’s what big dog switched to.

Yes, revtech and baker trannies. That’s the route to go. Forget about S&S.


41 posted on 07/27/2010 9:04:49 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

ahh! decisions, decisions.
I was wanting S&S motor, with RevTech drivetrain. the baker tranny is twice the price of the RevTech. Revtech is giving 3 year warranty on their trans.

did you look at the video at 3:40?


42 posted on 07/27/2010 9:11:44 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: mamelukesabre

and how about this?

http://www.sscycle.com/product/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=21060


43 posted on 07/27/2010 9:12:49 PM PDT by wwcj
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I don’t need to, I’m a Harley guy.

There are many great bikes other than Harley, but they don’t turn my clock.

Frankly, what pis$es me off about Harley bashers, is that those snot nosed people don’t have a clue...IT’s NOT ABOUT THE BIKE, it’s about being in the wind.... it’s about riding... it about an adventure on two wheels. I couldn’t care less what other folks ride.


44 posted on 07/27/2010 9:14:01 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: wwcj

Light, simple and strong, easy to work on but rarely need it, the 90-degree v engine has a trace of a v-twin type shake at idle but is glassy smooth above 1400 rpm, both cylinders well into the air stream. I like the Guzzi much better than the Ducati and the idea of having to adjust desmo valves every 2000 miles.


45 posted on 07/27/2010 9:15:38 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Gator113

i get ya. went on a nice ride few weeks back in the back woods of northern wisconsin with family members. sure is nice, that wind in the air and beautiful country. nothing like it.


46 posted on 07/27/2010 9:17:28 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: Gator113

I have closer to 200K miles on bikes than 100 and most of that’s in D.C. region traffic. You most likely wouldn’t be alive having tried to do that on Harleys.


47 posted on 07/27/2010 9:18:30 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wwcj

Ya, I watched the whole thing. The “failure” they were talking about was a busted motor mount. big woop de do.


48 posted on 07/27/2010 9:18:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: wendy1946

You are too full of crap to even talk to.


49 posted on 07/27/2010 9:20:08 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: mamelukesabre

must be all that power, if only the cases didn’t break.


50 posted on 07/27/2010 9:22:20 PM PDT by wwcj
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