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Ex-BYU student pleads guilty in attack on woman he was assigned to home teach
Deseret News ^ | July 27, 2010

Posted on 07/28/2010 7:29:14 AM PDT by Colofornian

Edited on 07/30/2010 3:24:48 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: svcw

Ca-ching!


61 posted on 07/28/2010 10:06:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
In Post #25, you whine about people attributing motives to your little well-organized clique of Mormon haters.

How much time are we HATERs to devote to PROVING ourselves innocent of your scurrilous charges?

Me; I'll take ZERO minutes.

We report;

You decide.

The Lurking jury can make up their OWN minds without any help from me.

62 posted on 07/28/2010 10:09:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman

Zero minutes in effect.


63 posted on 07/28/2010 10:10:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
Can't you READ?

You hateful BIGOT!!!

I also have enough Mormon friends to know...

--MormonDude(Got yer back, man!)

64 posted on 07/28/2010 10:11:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

This thread is not posted in the Religion Forum.


65 posted on 07/28/2010 10:51:27 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie

Well, Cut-N-Paste, maybe because it’s local Utah news in a local Utah paper and that’s journalism 101 ?


66 posted on 07/28/2010 10:56:03 AM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Vigilanteman; reaganaut
I also have enough Mormon friends to know your story about the "bishop" is either an aberration, you are leaving out key details, or you are just telling an outright lie. Mormon clergy do not condone rape and excommunication is the standard penalty.

[Oh, you mean, V, like how the Lds church handled ex-Sunday School teacher & ex-Lds bishop Kevin Garn re: this matter that came out below? You sound just like this story excerpted quote from an Lds official...stern stance..."zero tolerance for sexual abuse of any kind, especially instances involving minors" but you or your "Mormon friends" want to tell us when this key (now former) Lds legislator, who began 2010 as a top leader in his legislative body, was ex-communicated?]

Excerpt: But, Trotter said, Maher's 2008 letter was referred to local leaders, who handle disciplinary matters. "The Church will continue to follow this matter to determine if any further action is appropriate," Trotter said. "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has zero tolerance for sexual abuse of any kind, especially instances involving minors," Trotter said. "It takes such allegations very seriously. When allegations of abuse surface, it is a tragedy for all involved. Maher said Garn was her LDS Sunday School teacher when she was in the fourth grade, several years before the hot tub incident.
Source: LDS Church says local leaders handled claims against Garn

So all because of your lack of knowledge of a specific instance (hmmm...there's a word for that), you're quick to label another a "liar" -- which is a form of judging intent?

I just proved you wrong. You need to apologize to R.

67 posted on 07/28/2010 10:59:32 AM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Colofornian

Apologize. That is a joke C. lds and their defenders can’t even admit Truth.


68 posted on 07/28/2010 11:41:57 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: skyman; Colofornian

>>”The point is Colofornian is that you wouldn’t have posted it if something similar was done by a member of another church but since he was a Mormon Church it fit your agenda of trying to post anything that would make the Mormon Church look bad.”<<

>>”FR would be a very boring place if it was used by everyone who had an agenda against any specific religion.”<<

YOU NAILED IT, SKYMAN!!

GOOD JOB!

Colofornian wakes up every morning and scans the news in hopes of finding an article where a Mormon got a parking ticket or jay-walked and then posts it as relevant news.

What a lonely and hate-filled existence she must lead.....


69 posted on 07/28/2010 2:09:20 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: panaxanax
Wow. That is a fantastic comparison “jay walking” is equal to “attempted rape” and “assault”.
70 posted on 07/28/2010 2:25:30 PM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: Seruzawa; Colofornian

>>”It does get a bit tiring seeing colofornian piggy-backing on the FR as his personal blog to carry out his psychotic hate campaign.”<<

Indeed it does. Her frothing-at-the-mouth hatred is starting to become scary.

If the Mormons had a ‘no-fly’ list, colofornian would surely be at the top. Fanatical hatred this deeply rooted in an individual is often the prelude to a terrorist act.


71 posted on 07/28/2010 2:26:41 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: svcw; Colofornian

How’s this?

I said: “He did wrong and should be punished for his ill deeds, just like people of other religions should.”

Coloform said: “What “religious” people are you referencing here?”

There is a difference between “religious people” and “people of other religions”.

Now, just shut up.


72 posted on 07/28/2010 2:37:31 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: panaxanax
shut up shut up shut up

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73 posted on 07/28/2010 2:46:54 PM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: Religion Moderator

“This thread is not posted in the Religion Forum.”

Thank you.


74 posted on 07/28/2010 2:47:24 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: svcw

That’s really funny, thank you.

It’s exactly what I pictured when your gang of Mormon-haters went whining to the Religion Moderator only to find out you are not protected in the open forum.


75 posted on 07/28/2010 2:53:21 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: panaxanax
I would like you (since you make the charge) to show me one post where I have said or implied that I hate mormons. Just one. I have never gone to the moderator to complain about mormonISM defenders. I think they should always stay exposed to those who read these posts. Just one, come on just one hate post. So to use your quote put up or "shut up".
76 posted on 07/28/2010 3:01:06 PM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: Vigilanteman
Indeed. Reagan surrounded himself with Mormons. His chief campaign advisor was Richard Wirthlin. Here's a book you may enjoy.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Greatest-Communicator/Dick-Wirthlin/e/9780471705093

Greatest Communicator: What Ronald Reagan Taught Me About Politics, Leadership and Life. by Dick Wirthlin.

“For twenty years, Ronald Reagan relied upon Dick Wirthlin as his pollster, chief political strategist, and increasingly, as his trusted friend. Dick has waited until now to tell the inside story, but the wait has been more than worth it.”
—David Gergen

“A lot of people claim to have been in Reagan’s inner circle; Dick Wirthlin truly was. . . . must-reading for anyone who admired President Reagan.”
—Lyn Nofziger

“A must-read for anyone who wants to understand the inner workings of President Reagan’s ability to communicate—and how he accomplished so much.”
—Edwin Meese

“Dick Wirthlin was there at the beginning of the Ronald Reagan prairie fire that began with the speech for Barry Goldwater in 1964 and spread across the nation with the election to the presidency in 1980. . . . His recollections are a valuable part of the real history of the Reagan revolution.”
—Michael Deaver

“A window into the secrets of Reagan’s success . . . with a level of intimacy and grace that only comes from someone who was there from the beginning to see it from the inside.”
—James Carville

“Was anybody more important to the Reagan revolution than Dick Wirthlin?. . . The president trusted him, in fact, thought the world of him, as did so many of us who worked with him on three presidential campaigns and in the White House years. He has quite a story to tell.”
—Tony Dolan, author of the “Evil Empire” speech

“No one knew and understood Ronald Reagan the leader better than Dick Wirthlin . . . a smart and insightful book, indispensable to understanding Reagan.”
—Fred Barnes, executive editor, The Weekly Standard, and cohost, The Beltway Boys, FOX News

“This is not a book about what I did for Ronald Reagan, but about what he did for the world. . . . Those of us who were at Reagan’s side from the beginning will tell you that he gave us more than we ever imagined. We will tell you that our lives are forever better for having worked in his shadow. And we will mean it.”
—Dick Wirthlin

Ronald Reagan was a man of tremendous vision, strong moral character, and unwavering patriotism. The public outpouring of love and admiration at his passing shows just how beloved America’s fortieth president was. The legacy he leaves behind was built over many long years of personal and professional ups and downs. And while speechwriters, chiefs of staff, and media advisors came and went during his political career, Dick Wirthlin—the strategic genius behind Reagan’s greatest victories—was there with Reagan through it all.
Reagan once told a reporter, “When Dick Wirthlin speaks, I listen!” Now, Wirthlin speaks for Reagan one more time in The Greatest Communicator,a heartfelt personal reminiscence of the man Wirthlin respected and admired without reservation. He shares candid stories of Reagan no one else can tell, drawing on treasured memories of their many private moments and shared experiences, as well as an immense trove of files and notes.
From his first meeting with Governor Reagan in the fall of 1968, Wirthlin could see that this man was different. Some politicians love policy; Ronald Reagan loved people. Wirthlin was impressed by Reagan’s warmth, his lack of pretense, his humble spirit, and, above all, his desire to build a strong and secure base for America’s future. Here, Wirthlin reveals how Reagan forged a special relationship with the American people through his greatest gift: the extraordinary ability to communicate both publicly and privately, changing lives—and indeed, the world—with words.
Wirthlin shares the many lessons Reagan taught him, taking us on a behind-the-scenes journey through milestones in Reagan’s political career: the 1976 loss to President Gerald Ford in the primary, one of the GOP’s closest fights in modern history and the only time Reagan ever tasted electoral defeat; the tense meetings, awkward moments, high-stakes debates, and tough decisions on the road to winning the White House; the landslide victories of 1980 and 1984; and the reflective moments with Reagan to which only Wirthlin was witness. He also reveals how he unlocked one of the master communicator’s greatest secrets: Reagan’s rhetorical method that won over the hearts and minds of Democrats.
Brimming with affection, humor, and remarkable honesty, The Greatest Communicator is a shining tribute to the man Wirthlin was honored to serve for over two decades—and the dear lifelong friend he will never forget.
Author Biography: DICK WIRTHLIN was Ronald Reagan’s chief strategist and pollster from 1968 to 1988, including his 1980 and 1984 presidential campaigns. He is founder of Wirthlin Worldwide, an international strategic opinion research and consulting firm he created in 1969. Wirthlin has appeared on virtually every news television program, including FOX News, Larry King Live, Hardball with Chris Matthews, Good Morning America, and others.
WYNTON C. HALL is an award-winning presidential scholar and speechwriter. His published work has appeared in the New York Times, USA Today, and the Washington Times.

77 posted on 07/28/2010 3:01:56 PM PDT by Ripliancum ("As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free")
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To: svcw

No need to now that you proved my point.


78 posted on 07/28/2010 3:07:41 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: panaxanax
And here's the rest of the list. Reagan had more Mormons on his staff than any other sitting President.

President Ronald Reagan's administration was full of members of the Church. Three served on his personal White House staff - David Fischer, Gregory Newell, and Stephen M. Studdert (Special Assistant to President Reagan). Ted Bell served as Secretary of Education, Angela Buchanan was Treasurer. Rex Lee was Solicitor General. His White House included Roger Porter, Brent Scowcroft, Richard Beal, Blake Parish, Jon Huntsman Jr., Dodie Borup and Rocky Kuonen, and there were many other Latter-day Saints throughout his Administration. President Thomas S. Monson served on a Presidential Commission on Volunteerism. Others were ambassadors. LDS senators and representatives were held in special regard, and the Tabernacle Choir was his special inaugural guest.

79 posted on 07/28/2010 3:15:15 PM PDT by Ripliancum ("As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free")
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To: Colofornian

To prevent duplicate, do not alter the published title. Altering the text is also expressly forbidden.


80 posted on 07/28/2010 3:36:02 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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