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Camper in the US Kept Cool As Grizzly Bear Chewed Her Arm During Fatal Attack in Montana
The Australian ^ | July 30, 2010 | Mike Harvey

Posted on 07/29/2010 10:19:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway

WHEN Deb Freele woke up in her tent, a grizzly bear was chewing on her arm. She screamed as she heard the bones break.

Recovering in hospital yesterday, she explained how she had survived: “I screamed, he bit harder. I screamed harder, he continued to bite. I told myself, 'play dead'. I went totally limp. As soon as I went limp, I could feel his jaws get loose and then he let me go.”

Mrs Freele, 58, was one of two survivors of a deadly bear attack in the middle of the night at a busy campsite just outside Yellowstone National Park in Montana. Kevin Kammer, 48, from Michigan, was killed as he slept.

A teenage boy was also attacked as the bear tore through several tents in the sprawling Soda Butte camping grounds. Rangers later captured a female grizzly with cubs, and officials are certain that the bear, which is estimated to weigh up to 180kg, was responsible for the attacks. About 600 grizzly bears and hundreds of less-aggressive black bears live in the Yellowstone area.


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: arms; bear; camping

1 posted on 07/29/2010 10:19:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Liberal environmentalist ready to die for the cause and disdn’t. Idiot. just like toldya


2 posted on 07/29/2010 10:22:15 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance.)
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To: nickcarraway; 23 Everest

I was initially going to say something about the ambiguity of the headline. But after reading Post #2, well .....

(sigh)


3 posted on 07/29/2010 10:29:16 PM PDT by shibumi (Pablo, wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: nickcarraway

Most animals will leave you alone if you shoot them in the face.


4 posted on 07/29/2010 10:29:34 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: nickcarraway

These bears have been reintroduced to the area as part of a program. Some guy from the Chicago ‘burbs got killed a month or so ago, and it was in the local news here, but they had signs up, so it was his own fault. I think the solution is going to be no camping or hiking in Yellowstone. That’s my policy.


5 posted on 07/29/2010 10:29:43 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: real saxophonist
Over and over and reload. This is why off-hand drills are important. Can a person reload an autoloader one-handed when his dominant arm is being chewed off? Maybe. Maybe not.

But my bet would be on the guy that spends 30 minutes a week on weak hand drills.

/johnny

6 posted on 07/29/2010 10:33:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t grizzlies eat meat?

Why would playing dead work? Wouldn’t they just keep eating?


7 posted on 07/29/2010 10:34:08 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: real saxophonist

“Most animals will leave you alone if you shoot them in the face.”

My thoughts exactly!


8 posted on 07/29/2010 10:35:35 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: dr_lew

I live in the Chicago metro area, but not in the city.

I have lived well for over six decades by following the rule that “roughing it” is defined as a Holiday Inn, or equivalent, that does not have an indoor pool and hot tub.

And I take a gun with me when I go fishing for bluegills.


9 posted on 07/29/2010 10:37:44 PM PDT by shibumi (Pablo, wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: shibumi

LOL!


10 posted on 07/29/2010 10:55:53 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

Hey!

I wasn’t joking!


11 posted on 07/29/2010 10:57:29 PM PDT by shibumi (Pablo, wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: real saxophonist

Yes but bears have such thick skulls you would have to go thru the open mouth into the throat if he was that close to you. Otherwise anywhere in the center neck area and make sure you get off as many rounds off as you can before you get knocked down by him.

That is with a handgun, if you have a good rifle just pumping rounds into him. No I have never been attacked by a bear.


12 posted on 07/29/2010 11:00:36 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: shibumi

I know!


13 posted on 07/29/2010 11:03:07 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: shibumi
Here's an article from a Google Web search. The same search on Google News comes up blank. The closest the article comes to fact is this:

The incident is the first fatal mauling by a grizzly bear in the area in 25 years, and the first such fatal attack to take place at a site where researchers had recently trapped and released a bear.

The important point is "released". The rest of the article is a study in evasion of this point: that the man was killed by a bear recently INTRODUCED into the area. The first in 25 years! Now we have the second in 2 months, along with some minor maiming.

This is like JAWS upside down.

14 posted on 07/29/2010 11:12:12 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Like a prisoner that can’t stand life on the outside, this bear re-offended to back to where it was comfortable...


15 posted on 07/29/2010 11:20:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: real saxophonist

No, the thing to use on a Grizzly Bear is cold, hard logic...


16 posted on 07/29/2010 11:21:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Not sure I get your meaning. These bears are being taken from relatively remote areas and reintroduced to relatively less remote areas, i.e. Yellowstone. The idea is to restore Yellowstone to a more nearly primal condition. The maulings they might commit subsequently seem to be no deterrent to the project, in view of the nobility and rightness of its conception.


17 posted on 07/29/2010 11:28:49 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: valkyry1

I live in rural Alaska, mostly around my area its the smaller Black bear, the larger Brown bears are not very common around here.

I used to haul with me a huge stainless scoped Ruger Redhawk 44mag. when I went fishing, now I carry a 10mm Glock with a hi cap magazine of my own reloads. I believe its better to have a lot of bullets than just a couple of heavy ones that have to hit a certain place.

But arguing there is no comparison with Black bears and Alaskan Kodiak grizzlies, the ones I have seen are like something from Jurassic park. Grenades, got to make some grenades....


18 posted on 07/29/2010 11:32:01 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: 23 Everest

“Hey BooBoo... what does arm of environmentalist whacko taste like?”
“Gee Yogi... I was gonna say ‘chicken’ but that’s not endangered enough.. spotted owl maybe?”


19 posted on 07/29/2010 11:36:06 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: dr_lew

So who would want to go sleep there in a tent?


20 posted on 07/29/2010 11:37:13 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: dr_lew

Yes, because the government should put as much land as possible off limits to us peons.


21 posted on 07/29/2010 11:37:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: kabumpo

Suppose the feds were releasing Great White Sharks off the eastern seaboard, and they naturally and inevitably started eating vacationing bathers. Would your response be to say, “Why would anyone want to bathe in shark infested waters?”


22 posted on 07/29/2010 11:42:42 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: nickcarraway
I was in Glacier Park at the Cutbank trailhead in 1976 when an attack had occurred.

Grizz killed two chicks in their tents up the trail ...believed to have been menstruating.

We were open carrying. This was before being outdoorsy meant being a fag acting lib urine drinking dirt person and when the law did not care.

ranger...a real one on horseback and with mule team was heading out to find and shoot the bear...had sidearm of 44mag Super Blackhawk and a lever 45-70....he warned us to be careful

23 posted on 07/29/2010 11:43:37 PM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: Eye of Unk; kanawa
Bah. REAL freepers use a knoif...
24 posted on 07/29/2010 11:47:19 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 551 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Well funny you said that..

I am a heavy equipment mechanic and started fooling around with a massive Timken bearing race, its an inch and a half wide and when it was round was something like 8 or so inches across, I think it was a carrier bearing from a bucket loader.

Its made out of 52100 steel, not the number one choice for knifemaking but really close, took me a week hammering on it orange hot to get the curve out of it, countless hours with a belt sander, side grinder, tempering to shape it, making the handle, getting the edge just right. I learned a lot, became a member on some knifemaking forums, learned how to make the steel stronger at certain parts, oh its a knife...about the size of a small machete with a sharp point.


25 posted on 07/29/2010 11:55:58 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Eye of Unk

Didja follow the link?...


26 posted on 07/29/2010 11:59:41 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 551 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Sorry I thought it was a typo, I remember that article from back then, I may have even posted a comment.


27 posted on 07/30/2010 12:04:07 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Eye of Unk

I thought about not making the typo.

I was impressed with kanawa’s what? resolve? Strength? Luck? back when.


28 posted on 07/30/2010 12:07:33 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 551 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

I remember it well now that you brought it back up.

Thats the problem I wish Jim could fix here at FR, the ability to come back and edit a post within a short time period, I have the spell checker but its not very smart, and coupled with my old stiff fingers and a keyboard I need to replace I make errors all the time, and I don’t want to be labeled as a typo gestapo like some people have evolved into, I swear they post nothing but for when they see other peoples mistakes.

I guess you misspelled it so it would look like a link, and of course I’m a little color blind doesn’t help...


29 posted on 07/30/2010 12:15:35 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: real saxophonist

“Most animals will leave you alone if you shoot them in the face.”

LOL...ya think? /s


30 posted on 07/30/2010 1:23:59 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Eye of Unk

Our family of six lived in the Fairbanks/North Pole area of Alaska for four years. When we took the kids fishing we didn’t have a rifle... but we had bear bells and we sang show tunes. Two adults and four kids singing from “Annie” scared away everything except the mosquitoes.

That being said... we always went back in the house to sleep.


31 posted on 07/30/2010 1:45:48 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: 23 Everest

I’ll respect the woman for keeping her head - literally, as it turns out - in very difficult circumstances. That said, if/when I go camping, I take a 44 magnum with me. Even from a 2.5 inch barrel, a full power 44 is not to be sneezed at...unless in Alaska. Never been there, but for Alaska I’d carry a rifle. They don’t make handguns big enough for my taste for Alaska, but a 375 H&H Magnum would be about right.


32 posted on 07/30/2010 2:39:16 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: dr_lew

“that the man was killed by a bear recently INTRODUCED into the area. “

The bear wasn’t introduced into the area. They drugged the bear to weigh it and take blood samples. It woke up and ran off. It was still pissed off when it ran into the first man.


33 posted on 07/30/2010 2:46:40 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kabumpo
So who would want to go sleep there in a tent?

I have several times. The only problem I had was when a bison tried to use my car as a scratching post.

Yellowstone rangers used to shoot marauding bears with rubber bullets in an attempt to teach them to fear humans. I guess it's changed now.

34 posted on 07/30/2010 3:39:05 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: real saxophonist

...which is easier said than done if Smokey is already nomnomnomnomnomming on your arm.


35 posted on 07/30/2010 3:48:24 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: nickcarraway

36 posted on 07/30/2010 6:15:37 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: nickcarraway
“I screamed, he bit harder. I screamed harder, he continued to bite. I told myself, 'play dead'. I went totally limp. As soon as I went limp, I could feel his jaws get loose and then he let me go.”

Now I know what it takes to make a woman be quiet.

37 posted on 07/30/2010 6:18:48 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: dr_lew

Good point. Yes, I would say that. Then if I wanted to be able to swim in safely I would either do something about it — join with others to change the situation, or look for another beach.


38 posted on 07/30/2010 6:19:30 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: shibumi
"And I take a gun with me when I go fishing for bluegills."

When I visit bear country, I just bring along my pet hippo for protection...


39 posted on 07/30/2010 6:26:53 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Eye of Unk
I guess you misspelled it so it would look like a link,

Nahh, just trying to be funny.

40 posted on 07/30/2010 6:48:42 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 552 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Crim; real saxophonist
DITTO THAT!

BEAR REPELLENT

41 posted on 07/30/2010 8:12:45 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

Ha...I have the same frame in .357 mag...


42 posted on 07/30/2010 8:40:16 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

That too would be a good Bear Stopper.

Better than playing dead and hoping the bear isn’t still hungry or smart.


43 posted on 07/30/2010 8:44:10 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

Heh heh...it’s stops other things too...


44 posted on 07/30/2010 8:59:51 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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